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Speaking of best elephant, does anyone else think that Funkfreed was meant to be Zoro’s power up that arc before Oda realized it clashed with Zoro’s story to have a sentient (well, alive-sentient, Enma/Kotetsu have some degree of sentience) sword? Like, “cute sword elephant” isn’t super out of place for OP in general, but Ennies Lobby is where everyone else gets power ups or new tools that are relevant long-term, and Zoro ends up with one of his swords broken anyway before getting a sick Wano sword that is heavier/stronger than his other ones. I might just be seeing things though.
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Last Celebration posted:Speaking of best elephant, does anyone else think that Funkfreed was meant to be Zoro’s power up that arc before Oda realized it clashed with Zoro’s story to have a sentient (well, alive-sentient, Enma/Kotetsu have some degree of sentience) sword? Like, “cute sword elephant” isn’t super out of place for OP in general, but Ennies Lobby is where everyone else gets power ups or new tools that are relevant long-term, and Zoro ends up with one of his swords broken anyway before getting a sick Wano sword that is heavier/stronger than his other ones. I might just be seeing things though. nah i think oda just wanted to make a sword elephant and remind us that devil fruits can inhabit objects
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Apr 20, 2021 02:25
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Fair enough, he should really do that more often. RIP second-best Zoan Smiley.
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Apr 20, 2021 02:37
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Silver2195 posted:Funkfreed was pretty underwhelming, wasn't he? Back when Fukuro pointed out that Spandam had a power level of only 9, Spandam claimed that his sword's power compensated for his personal physical weakness. And then Funkfreed got taken out by Franky in one hit. franky being a boss does not reflect poorly on funkfreed
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Apr 20, 2021 02:37
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Silver2195 posted:Funkfreed was pretty underwhelming, wasn't he? Back when Fukuro pointed out that Spandam had a power level of only 9, Spandam claimed that his sword's power compensated for his personal physical weakness. And then Funkfreed got taken out by Franky in one hit. Spandam is a loving idiot
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Apr 20, 2021 02:41
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Last Celebration posted:Speaking of best elephant, does anyone else think that Funkfreed was meant to be Zoro’s power up that arc before Oda realized it clashed with Zoro’s story to have a sentient (well, alive-sentient, Enma/Kotetsu have some degree of sentience) sword? Like, “cute sword elephant” isn’t super out of place for OP in general, but Ennies Lobby is where everyone else gets power ups or new tools that are relevant long-term, and Zoro ends up with one of his swords broken anyway before getting a sick Wano sword that is heavier/stronger than his other ones. I might just be seeing things though. Zunesha will remember this.
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Apr 20, 2021 04:01
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I remember an older theory no one brings up anymore was Usopp's slingshot getting a devil fruit, but lost steam around the timeskip.
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Apr 20, 2021 05:21
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Since it’s apparently possible, how do you suppose one “feeds” an inanimate object a devil fruit anyway? Break one open and slather the object in its juices?
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Apr 20, 2021 05:24
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Larryb posted:Since it’s apparently possible, how do you suppose one “feeds” an inanimate object a devil fruit anyway? Break one open and slather the object in its juices? They always seem to be zoans, so my guess is the zoans are existing animals with wills of their own and the "fruit" is that will being imposed on the object, not dissimilar to how awakened fruits can change their environment smiles are so hosed up for the same reason. the animal was basically killed and turned into a fruit, but its will is imposed on the user and still has some control over their body.
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Apr 20, 2021 05:32
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Larryb posted:Since it’s apparently possible, how do you suppose one “feeds” an inanimate object a devil fruit anyway? Break one open and slather the object in its juices? By eating it! What kind of silly question is that supposed to be!  Edit: Seriously, I'm like 85% sure thats going to be the actual answer.
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Apr 20, 2021 05:35
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I feel like after Wano is concluded, we'll start getting some big reveals about Devil Fruits etc. Actually, come to think of it, when will we find out more about Kuma? He's stuck over at Mariejois and I don't think Luffy will get to Mariejois until after Raftel. That's at least a good 5-10 years out from now.
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Apr 20, 2021 06:27
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Franky kind of messed Fukurou up as soon as he had cola. He was pretty strong.
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Len posted:And that wraps up Dressrosa That said, the world government? Genuine loving villains down to the bone. What a load of fuckers!
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Apr 20, 2021 10:25
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The next chapter on the 25th will be the last before Golden Week right?
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Just because he is incompetent, doesn't mean Spandam isn't evil. Nor does largely fighting other bad guys mitigate his moral failings. CP-9 was the assassination Cipher Pol, and we know they did some real bad poo poo on the WG orders. Hell, the mission to gain the Pluton blueprints included attempting to assassinate a guy just because he wouldn't give them the plans. Plans that Spandam intended to use to try and take over the world on his own. Like, name one not evil thing he's done.
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Apr 20, 2021 10:51
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Actually, come to think of it, when will we find out more about Kuma? He's stuck over at Mariejois and I don't think Luffy will get to Mariejois until after Raftel. That's at least a good 5-10 years out from now. Probably something to do with the revolutionaries who have infiltrated the city. Sabo was not pleased at seeing Kuma there so an off-camera jailbreak is not out of the question.
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Apr 20, 2021 13:27
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Crazyeyes posted:Probably something to do with the revolutionaries who have infiltrated the city. Sabo was not pleased at seeing Kuma there so an off-camera jailbreak is not out of the question. He's effectively a walking corpse at this point so I'd think a mercy killing would be more likely.
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Apr 20, 2021 13:32
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RatHat posted:He's effectively a walking corpse at this point so I'd think a mercy killing would be more likely. Nah. Some nonsense about "he's still in there!" And "leave no man behind!".
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Apr 20, 2021 13:41
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Spandam is easily one of the most evil pieces of poo poo in the series
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Apr 20, 2021 13:55
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RatHat posted:The next chapter on the 25th will be the last before Golden Week right? Yes, WSJ break next week (Golden week). I kind of love having spoilers pop out this early, get to enjoy One Piece in hype bites over the course of the week.
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mabels big day posted:Spandam is easily one of the most evil pieces of poo poo in the series And it's entirely because he's weak and petty, not because he has some grand plans but because he will take every opportunity to tear other people down, stomp on them and rip them apart out of sheer petty hatred for literally everyone around him. He's the worst. At least Akainu is a monster with a purpose and a theoretically noble goal, he desires justice be equal to all from the highest nobles to the lowest civilian, it's just his idea of justice is incredibly fatal and single-minded.
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Apr 20, 2021 18:10
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What's great about One Piece is that it has both complex gray morality of characters who are doing bad things for good reasons, and also just complete rear end in a top hat pieces of poo poo like Spandam and Doflamingo. Also there's a general sense that an explanation for why people are doing something is not a justification or an excuse. You can have a tragic backstory all you want, Luffy is still going to punch you in the face if you're doing evil things.
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Apr 20, 2021 18:22
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Begemot posted:What's great about One Piece is that it has both complex gray morality of characters who are doing bad things for good reasons, and also just complete rear end in a top hat pieces of poo poo like Spandam and Doflamingo. Also there's a general sense that an explanation for why people are doing something is not a justification or an excuse. I would say that the morality is inconsistent. It's a shonen series with wacky characters so that hides a lot of the horror, but I dunno, I hate Luffy. I think he's an rear end in a top hat. As an example of the inconsistency of the morality, take Fujitora. He's a Zaitochi homage of course, but supposedly he blinded himself to the cruelty of the world. A guy like that's biggest gripe being the Seven Warlords is kinda weird when the World Nobles are over there shooting people for fun and trying to make Shirahoshi a sex slave.
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Aurubin posted:I would say that the morality is inconsistent. It's a shonen series with wacky characters so that hides a lot of the horror, but I dunno, I hate Luffy. I think he's an rear end in a top hat. you hate luffy??????
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Begemot posted:What's great about One Piece is that it has both complex gray morality of characters who are doing bad things for good reasons, and also just complete rear end in a top hat pieces of poo poo like Spandam and Doflamingo. Also there's a general sense that an explanation for why people are doing something is not a justification or an excuse. maybe a somewhat cold take, but i never really understood the line of thought around doflamingo. his backstory i thought was a good example of "doing bad poo poo to bad people doesn't necessarily make them better", his hatred was just codified and reinforced by uh, stringing him up and crucifying him as a child. that isn't to say its justified, of course, because we're also given the example of corazon in the same flashback, so it feels like oda is explicitly trying to show us "your past doesn't have to define you", but what happened to doflamingo (at that age) is really not his fault, and is incredibly unfair overall then again, he's a celestial dragon, so who really cares lol
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Aurubin posted:I would say that the morality is inconsistent. It's a shonen series with wacky characters so that hides a lot of the horror, but I dunno, I hate Luffy. I think he's an rear end in a top hat. how can you read one piece if you hate luffy
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Apr 20, 2021 20:29
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The only unjust punch thrown by Luffy in the entire series was in a gag fight.
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tbp posted:you hate luffy?????? I've never been that big of fan of Luffy, i get in arguments with my buddies all the time on this point but he's definitely on the bottom half of the crew in terms of likeability to me.
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Apr 20, 2021 21:15
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Starsfan posted:I've never been that big of fan of Luffy, i get in arguments with my buddies all the time on this point but he's definitely on the bottom half of the crew in terms of likeability to me. youre scum
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Starsfan posted:I've never been that big of fan of Luffy, i get in arguments with my buddies all the time on this point but he's definitely on the bottom half of the crew in terms of likeability to me. pathetic
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Begemot posted:What's great about One Piece is that it has both complex gray morality of characters who are doing bad things for good reasons, and also just complete rear end in a top hat pieces of poo poo like Spandam and Doflamingo. Also there's a general sense that an explanation for why people are doing something is not a justification or an excuse. One of my favorite things about Doflamingo is he gets the usual flashback treatment but it just underlines how no actually Doflamingo is just a complete poo poo from day 1.
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i dont think the series holds up fujitora as a pinnacle of morality or anything, just that hes less terrible than a lot of the marines but still clearly has his issues lol
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rannum posted:One of my favorite things about Doflamingo is he gets the usual flashback treatment but it just underlines how no actually Doflamingo is just a complete poo poo from day 1. Makes sense that for his father and brother to get good there was no good left over for Rick Flair.
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scary ghost dog posted:youre scum awww how's that supposed to make me feel? 
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Starsfan posted:I've never been that big of fan of Luffy, i get in arguments with my buddies all the time on this point but he's definitely on the bottom half of the crew in terms of likeability to me.
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Luffy Will Be The Pirate King
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Cat Machine posted:whats your problem with luffy man I just relate alot more to a bunch of the other characters on the crew. I've always found some aspects of Luffy's character really frustrating to deal with, in a way that's pretty real - I mean obviously Oda intentionally made this character with alot of flaws and as my first exposure to the series was through watching the anime some of those flaws are magnified and drawn out to the point that they became very grating. After hearing from everyone about how great the Impel Down / Marinford arc was with Luffy on his own fighting to save his brother, i was kind of surprised how much I just wanted to get back to having all the crew together so I could spend more time with Nami, Robin, Usopp, Franky and Zoro. It's not that i find him hateable or anything like that, but he's not my favorite part of the story.
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Gyges posted:What did Funkfreed ever do to you? not be a thousand year old island elephant that wrecked a fleet with little effort expended edit: Bring back Bon Clay and put him on the crew forever Len fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Starsfan posted:I just relate alot more to a bunch of the other characters on the crew. I've always found some aspects of Luffy's character really frustrating to deal with, in a way that's pretty real - I mean obviously Oda intentionally made this character with alot of flaws and as my first exposure to the series was through watching the anime some of those flaws are magnified and drawn out to the point that they became very grating. After hearing from everyone about how great the Impel Down / Marinford arc was with Luffy on his own fighting to save his brother, i was kind of surprised how much I just wanted to get back to having all the crew together so I could spend more time with Nami, Robin, Usopp, Franky and Zoro. Yeah I kind of feel the same way. I like him but he's maddening a lot of the time (all of his crew and friends yell at him for being an impulsive idiot). Hell, I felt the same way about Dragon Ball back after the time shift and it went from being a comedy adventure series to being an endless level up match of screaming. Goku became completely unrelatable and the other characters were more interesting to me.
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The self-centered idiot shonen protagonist is fine when the larger world isn't explored. Goku in Dragon Ball just lurches from adventure to adventure, but it's not like he shapes the social and political situation. One Piece explores the consequences of breaking stuff, which is neat for something that's run for so long. That being said, Luffy not having a conception of morality that isn't directly in front of him, plus the fact that with the exception of basically just the Straw Hats every pirate is well...a larcenous, murderous pirate, doesn't endear me to this series' protagonist. The story seems to shape itself around Luffy, rather than the other way around. The antagonists, imo, just happen to be worse than the Straw Hats. Given that most everyone in One Piece is either a sociopath or a (literal) monster, it's easy to root for the main characters in the moment. I just mostly turn my brain off and enjoy Oda's art, it's just a fun thing to thumb through along with the rest of Shonen Jump. By and large I find the protagonist of this series utterly contemptable. I blame absentee fathers.
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