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The term “stadia content creator” gives me chills.
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Gutcruncher posted:The term “stadia content creator” gives me chills. Someone has to create content for it, because Google isn't doing it anymore. 
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Apr 23, 2021 02:52
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I suspect they mean "content creator" in the "I stream Stadia" sense. They can't really call themselves an influencer if no one is paying any attention.
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Apr 23, 2021 11:02
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Zushio posted:I suspect they mean "content creator" in the "I stream Stadia" sense. Hence the chills I feel
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Apr 23, 2021 12:30
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Less Fat Luke posted:Eh I don't know, it's loving stupid but it's mostly wasting bandwidth which is pretty infinite despite what consumer ISPs pretend. Like if you play locally or with Stadia something has to render the game, and on both if you're playing something super low-tier like Terraria it'll use way less power. This has come up before, but even something like streaming music is really energy inefficient. You have to have multiple computers doing the work of one. Add in the energy to convert it into a video signal, send that signal over the internet, and decode that signal, that can add up over a long period of time.
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Apr 23, 2021 17:34
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Why do people feel the need to hate on Stadia posted:I feel like I want to vent here for a moment. I’m a gamer. I’ve been gaming for a long time. When Stadia was first announced, I didn’t understand it. My thoughts were “why would I want to pay full price for a game that I won’t physically own and I have to play connected to Wi-Fi?” Then Google sent me a Chromecast Ultra and a controller. You know what I did then? I gave it a chance. 71 owned games later and now I am a believer in Cloud Gaming. I believe so much that I also have Luna and Xbox Gamepass. I just wish that people would stop living with what they know and just give Cloud Gaming a chance. If you love Stadia, show it to someone that’s a none believer. They may not want to accept it but this is one aspect of gaming that will be way more prevalent in the near future. What do you all think. Do you think that Cloud Gaming is here to stay??? quote:Console Wars fanboy mentality + immature mentality + "I can't hack those games" + "I'm easily influenced by internet memes" + "I don't do my own research" + "It's not fair that I paid $3000 for a PC and you can play high quality Cyberpunk on your toaster" quote:Insecurity I guess.Let us say you are a FIFA gamer and you almost exclusively play fifa (you'd be shocked how many people are one title only gamers) quote:
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Apr 23, 2021 17:54
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Less Fat Luke posted:Eh I don't know, it's loving stupid but it's mostly wasting bandwidth which is pretty infinite despite what consumer ISPs pretend. Like if you play locally or with Stadia something has to render the game, and on both if you're playing something super low-tier like Terraria it'll use way less power. Most studies done have shown it to be less efficient than basically anything but super high tier PCs. Consoles are way, way, way more energy efficient than Stadia. I'm too lazy to Google them again and link them, but they're not that hard to find.
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Apr 23, 2021 17:56
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Actually, I see the possibility of losing my games forever if Stadia dies as an upside. It allows me to cherish each individual moment even more, something PC & console gamers using physical media could never comprehend.
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Apr 23, 2021 18:03
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leftist heap posted:Most studies done have shown it to be less efficient than basically anything but super high tier PCs. Consoles are way, way, way more energy efficient than Stadia. I'm too lazy to Google them again and link them, but they're not that hard to find.
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Apr 23, 2021 19:46
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Cemetry Gator posted:This has come up before, but even something like streaming music is really energy inefficient. You have to have multiple computers doing the work of one. Add in the energy to convert it into a video signal, send that signal over the internet, and decode that signal, that can add up over a long period of time. Isn’t streaming music just a bunch of temporary downloads? I know my Spotify can keep playing in dead zones for a while when I’m driving as long as it keeps to the same playlist. I basically have to choose what I’m listening to before I hit the Taconic but I don’t lose my music in that ~45 minutes or so.
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Apr 23, 2021 23:58
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Yeah I mean that’s all streaming ever, it’s caching data Except for Stadia 
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Apr 24, 2021 00:08
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Isn’t streaming music just a bunch of temporary downloads? I know my Spotify can keep playing in dead zones for a while when I’m driving as long as it keeps to the same playlist. I basically have to choose what I’m listening to before I hit the Taconic but I don’t lose my music in that ~45 minutes or so.
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Apr 24, 2021 01:18
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Spotify caches more than just about anything else because it dramatically reduces their bandwidth overheads. Video is basically never cached by any service any more (not even in a browser) because the data size vs the chance you actually hit the cache is such a poor ROI. I know when Spotify was new and still supplementing their network with P2P traffic part of their value statement to investors was that they only served ~8-10% of all the data the network needed themselves. The rest came from caching and P2P, with caching still being used today as it was overwhelmingly the biggest data saver. Spotify might be much less efficient than locally playing your own MP3s, but it's only a lot because of large numbers. Both are very insignificant per stream/user. Game streaming is hard the other way. It's literally the worst. Bitrates are very high, the encoding is only good for one single use and no part of it can sit on an ISP's CDN or such for local delivery. One stadia user would easily consume the power of ~1500 Spotify users just for bandwidth alone, and that's the cheapest part of the equation. Trying to guess how much more power it takes to encode a one-use 4k stream vs a infinite-reuses audio file is just an exercise in how many orders of magnitude you want to throw into your assumption. If a stadia blade was a Spotify server it would be serving thousands of customers. Ironically Google released rough figures on how Spotify's server blades worked in 2016 as a case study on how their cloud services could make things more efficient, so we know each Spotify server blade serves something in the region of 20k customers.
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Apr 24, 2021 01:39
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Khablam posted:Spotify caches more than just about anything else because it dramatically reduces their bandwidth overheads. Video is basically never cached by any service any more (not even in a browser) because the data size vs the chance you actually hit the cache is such a poor ROI. Sounds to me like a single Spotify blade server could serve most of the entire Stadia fanbase for the purpose of music streaming to their little hideout in the attics or whatever.
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Apr 24, 2021 10:32
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Isn’t streaming music just a bunch of temporary downloads? I know my Spotify can keep playing in dead zones for a while when I’m driving as long as it keeps to the same playlist. I basically have to choose what I’m listening to before I hit the Taconic but I don’t lose my music in that ~45 minutes or so. Stadia is the same, but as described the low latency video encode/decode adds even more overhead to the existing act of playing a game. Stadia doesn't even offer the same advantage that streaming music does - you're stuck with a tiny, expensive library. I've seen people praise Stadia because of minimalism, which is only true if you define minimalism as 'can't see any wires coming out of my TV' rather than 'I'm using masses more equipment and infrastructure to perform this activity'.
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Apr 24, 2021 11:27
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keithy george posted:It's all the infrastructure that makes it possible. When you play an mp3 off your phone, you're just decoding that data and making noise through a speaker. Now that streaming music is common, your phone is still doing that same decoding work, but it's also having to regularly request data over the mobile network, you need a mobile network with enough power and capacity to support this increased demand for data, you need to have networks of servers available at all times to serve those needs. It seems minor, but as streaming music becomes more and more common, this multiplying effect just means that more and more energy is used to listen to music. At least streaming music gives you a massive advantage over old formats - you can select from an enormous library in an instant with no extra cost to yourself. You're missing a step; Streamed music being a download in reality means your usage is actually pretty infrequent and in small bursts (say, the song you're on and maybe a few ahead in a playlist just in case). Streamed gaming is where it's full-power bandwidth and power usage 100% of time
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Apr 24, 2021 12:43
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How Much Have You Spent On Stadia So Far and How Long HAve You Been Using It?? posted:Just wondering, how much have you spent on Stadia so far and how long have you been using the platform? I will start quote:Just added it all up. I have been pro since 11/2019 and I own 29 games. I have spent $1,090 between 2 premiere packs, purchases, and pro. Worth every penny. quote:I have had Stadia since launch and a proud owner of the founders edition controller. Been subscribing to pro the whole time. That gave me 76 pro games and I have bought 17 games. I also bought another founders controller used. quote:Around 900€, way more than I expected to be honest.
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Apr 25, 2021 18:00
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Clearly that's a thread by a desperate employee trying to justify the value of keeping him at his job. "S-s-see here boss, an average consumer spends over 500 bucks on our service, that's a lot of money. Please reconsider cutting down our team"
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Apr 25, 2021 19:58
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 at spending $400 on stadia
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Apr 26, 2021 11:24
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Mirificus posted:
From a while back but goddamn if that isn‘t the saddest sentence I have read in this thread.
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Apr 26, 2021 11:38
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Just imagine the mindset of those posters. You are in a phase where you want to play games but don't have the time to invest into a console or decent pc, but no way are you touching a Switch because you want real games, manly games.... You also don't want to spend a lot and you think that consoles change every few years or upgrades are released and it all sounds expensive... You don't want a console because you want to play M&KB, but you want to play wherever, even if M&KB isn't ideal or possible... Along comes Stadia and all you have to do is trick yourself into thinking that there's nothing wrong or that any problems will be instantly fixed because it's Google and Google don't let problems persist. Google will definitely keep with Stadia forever, they aren't going to release a new version and tell you to upgrade. Think of all the money you save, and why not stay subscribed to Pro, you are getting all these *Free experiences... Suddenly it becomes clear why Stadians #StadiaDads exist, they don't want to think about dealing with different or scary ideas or picking a new console for themselves, they just want someone to do it for them, so they can hide from their monstrous wives and kids and just play something, even if it's for an hour on the toilet. So I'm saying these people were broken long before Stadia came along.
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Apr 26, 2021 12:06
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how mad are all these people going to be when stadia gets abandoned. I mean it kind of is.. the latest Chromecast doesn't support it (I know i'm playing into the Normie anti-stadia deep state embeded console war media hype). like I see google maybe abandoning stadia as a "going forward" project in the next 2-5 years. But keeping it around on limp mode for 10 years where it'll be half assed supported but the hardware wont' be available. You can only play on chrome.
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Apr 26, 2021 13:05
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Love the juxtaposition between claiming Stadia is free and bragging about spending over a $1000 a year on a dead platform.
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Apr 26, 2021 13:08
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tater_salad posted:how mad are all these people going to be when stadia gets abandoned. I mean it kind of is.. the latest Chromecast doesn't support it (I know i'm playing into the Normie anti-stadia deep state embeded console war media hype). like I see google maybe abandoning stadia as a "going forward" project in the next 2-5 years. But keeping it around on limp mode for 10 years where it'll be half assed supported but the hardware wont' be available. You can only play on chrome. I'd give it a year or two at most; They flat can't compete with Sony or Xbox because the hardware's not only outdated performance-wise, but lacks the new RAM they do so nobody's going to bother porting anything AAA to it. Especially as PC's utilizing it likely won't be far behind within a year or two.
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Apr 26, 2021 13:21
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Edit: ^^ Realistically I give it 2.. but I said 2-5 to appease Hostile. Flayer posted:Love the juxtaposition between claiming Stadia is free and bragging about spending over a $1000 a year on a dead platform. That's lamestream media talking.. I CAN spend 1000 a year becuase it's free! All you complaining about game prices are idiots. IF I pay 10.00 (or 13 or whatever it costs, can't be much more than a banana or two) a month I get free games.. plus I get the privilege of buying games for a discount that I could get at any other games marketplace. So everyone saying the games cost too much on stadia are just haters. Enjoy gaming on a PC you can't even get a GPU for stupid sheeple.
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Apr 26, 2021 13:26
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tater_salad posted:how mad are all these people going to be when stadia gets abandoned. I mean it kind of is.. the latest Chromecast doesn't support it (I know i'm playing into the Normie anti-stadia deep state embeded console war media hype). like I see google maybe abandoning stadia as a "going forward" project in the next 2-5 years. But keeping it around on limp mode for 10 years where it'll be half assed supported but the hardware wont' be available. You can only play on chrome. How is this even possible?  Can somebody explain this? Bear in mind all I know about chromecast is that it is weird puck with google printed on it that I got for free with projector and never unpacked the thing. Is there some special hardware needed for stadia? Isn't it just a bit of extra code that runs alongside video decompression or whatever the gently caress chromecast is doing?
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Apr 26, 2021 13:28
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commando in tophat posted:
You could buy an Xbox Series S or X with the Microsoft instalment plan, which gets you the console + Game Pass, meaning you'd get a console and 100+ really actually GOOD games, and GOOD GAMES you can also stream to your phone with the same subscription deal. I'm pretty sure the Xbox Series S package would be less money than 400 bucks, and even the Series X would be a lot less expensive than these "I spent 900 bucks on games I don't own) deals. But of course that would get you a good gaming experience.
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Apr 26, 2021 13:31
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commando in tophat posted:How is this even possible? I think they're talking about the new chromecast that has a user interface called Google TV. Most chromecasts just allow you to find your content on your phone or device and then stream it to the chromecast/tv. This new one you don't need a second device. It's like a smart tv/roku/amazon fire. I have one and tried to get stadia on it and since it's basically android you can sideload some apps for managing files on the device and with a bit too much work you could get it working. I used it once and never tried it again. But it doesn't work out of the box because the Stadia team didn't build a native app for the user interface and that's what is so dumbfounding.
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Apr 26, 2021 13:40
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beerinator posted:I think they're talking about the new chromecast that has a user interface called Google TV. Most chromecasts just allow you to find your content on your phone or device and then stream it to the chromecast/tv. This new one you don't need a second device. It's like a smart tv/roku/amazon fire. I have one and tried to get stadia on it and since it's basically android you can sideload some apps for managing files on the device and with a bit too much work you could get it working. I used it once and never tried it again. Yes it's this. The old Chromecast Ultra puck (the one that sometimes overheats with Stadia), is the only supported chromecast currently if you want to use stadia on your TV (unless you hook up laptop to tv or something). So Google (the company that makes Stadia) released a next generation of a device (made by google) that stadia was supported on, but neglected to have stadia supported on it. So you're stuck on a last-gen version of Chromecast if you want to use stadia, or sideload it by doing a bunch of bullshit. Now somewhere on reddit the stadia folks will say this is a good thing because.... edit: also THIS IS NOT A REASON TO SAY GOOGLE IS ALREDY ABANDONING STADIA 
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Apr 26, 2021 14:12
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beerinator posted:I think they're talking about the new chromecast that has a user interface called Google TV. Most chromecasts just allow you to find your content on your phone or device and then stream it to the chromecast/tv. This new one you don't need a second device. It's like a smart tv/roku/amazon fire. I have one and tried to get stadia on it and since it's basically android you can sideload some apps for managing files on the device and with a bit too much work you could get it working. I used it once and never tried it again. Thanks, this is somehow dumber than I expected tater_salad posted:edit: also THIS IS NOT A REASON TO SAY GOOGLE IS ALREDY ABANDONING STADIA It seems even stadia is abandoning stadia if they don't support their own (=google) hardware
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Apr 26, 2021 14:35
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How does stadia fair with more competitive online games, a lot of my buddies are super into CoD and are always tweaking settings and stuff to get an edge. Is it more for party or family type games? edit I just asked the stupidest question ever didn't I. Shuka fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Apr 26, 2021 |
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Apr 26, 2021 14:40
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It fairs poorly at everything for multiplayer, especially player counts. Just look at Destiny 2's or Samurai Shodown's playerbases on Stadia. Was it Mortal Kombat where matchmaking was basically impossible?
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Apr 26, 2021 14:59
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Shuka posted:How does stadia fair with more competitive online games, a lot of my buddies are super into CoD and are always tweaking settings and stuff to get an edge. Is it more for party or family type games? I'm sure Stadia is perfectly usable for members of the competitive Monopoly scene.
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Apr 26, 2021 15:01
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Shuka posted:How does stadia fair with more competitive online games, a lot of my buddies are super into CoD and are always tweaking settings and stuff to get an edge. Is it more for party or family type games? there are lots of multiplayer games* that you can play on stadia and be competitive with* ! *the majority don't support cross-play, then ones that do you will NOT be competitive with because of latency issues with the nature of clown gaming. (yes even with negative latency)
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Apr 26, 2021 15:02
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Streaming for competitive online depends a lot on what level you're playing on, like you're not going to do anything eSports tier but with a good connection it can be pretty solid, and GFN even has a 120fps mode for Fortnite and possibly other titles. The bigger issue, mainly for Stadia's case, is the player base, as mentioned, because nobody plays on Stadia, especially multiplayer titles.
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Apr 26, 2021 15:03
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How many players on average does Destiny 2 have these days?
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Apr 26, 2021 15:14
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commando in tophat posted:Thanks, this is somehow dumber than I expected No actually it just means that they’re making it so getting Stadia to function is a game in and of itself. The challenge is its own reward
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Apr 26, 2021 15:15
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univbee posted:Streaming for competitive online depends a lot on what level you're playing on, like you're not going to do anything eSports tier but with a good connection it can be pretty solid, and GFN even has a 120fps mode for Fortnite and possibly other titles. The bigger issue, mainly for Stadia's case, is the player base, as mentioned, because nobody plays on Stadia, especially multiplayer titles. That makes sense, a lot of my friends have xbox and even with the gamepass for PC plenty of titles are not crossplay. And some of my buddies hate survival/crafting games on controllers hah. I'm one of those guys that plays on lowest settings so I can do better in PvP stuff.
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Apr 26, 2021 15:19
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Lodin posted:How many players on average does Destiny 2 have these days?  Stadia  General pop Stadia remains a rounding error on the platform it's most likely to have a high population relative to other platforms (given less competition for games, the D2 promotions / free access).
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Apr 26, 2021 15:28
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Honestly, 6,000 people on Destiny 2 on Stadia is pretty good. Way better than I expected.
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