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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It only kicks in at ~$13 million right now. ~$12M, but that's per person, so a couple can leave their kids over $24M before anything is taxed. Not lowing the exemption limit is disappointing, but eliminating the step-up basis is a much bigger deal. If I had to choose one or the other, I'd get rid of the step-up basis without a second thought.
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My mom is already complaining that she is going to have to pay more in taxes when she sells my grandpa's home, and that I don't know what I'm talking about... even though she's been sitting on the empty house for a year paying property taxes on it. But you know, it's Biden's fault that she'll pay more in taxes.
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Astro7x posted:My mom is already complaining that she is going to have to pay more in taxes when she sells my grandpa's home, and that I don't know what I'm talking about... even though she's been sitting on the empty house for a year paying property taxes on it. But you know, it's Biden's fault that she'll pay more in taxes. How much is the house worth?
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Number_6 posted:Is there a good website with a detailed analysis or discussion of the most likely tax changes? I have some inherited assets and these kinds of changes (stepped-up basis) could affect me substantially if there's not some exemption level or income level below which it doesn't apply. I'm counting on those assets to support my retirement some day, because who the gently caress knows what state Social Security is going to be in 20 years from now. I think it would be kind of wild if they retroactively eliminated the step-up basis for people who already inherited assets. I imagine these changes will apply to people who haven't died yet or maybe die in 2021. But what do I know? Nothing!
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Astro7x posted:My mom is already complaining that she is going to have to pay more in taxes when she sells my grandpa's home, and that I don't know what I'm talking about... even though she's been sitting on the empty house for a year paying property taxes on it. But you know, it's Biden's fault that she'll pay more in taxes. On fairness to your Mom housing has gone up 20% in value the past year.
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Apr 28, 2021 06:46
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VikingofRock posted:The identification requirements on REAL IDs are insane for young people, who often might not have ready access to: If I may dredge this back up: Young people, yes. But this is also a weird burden on the elderly. Because, what'll frequently happen, is they'll apply for a passport in order to receive a Real ID (probably because they want their driver's license renewed and are told they have to do it this way--whether or not that's true is beyond me.) And, as someone pointed out, a passport or passport card IS a valid Real ID, but it's not a driver's license. So if you're under the impression that you need this stuff to get a driver's license, or if the universe/country/whatever state is actually insane enough to require your license be a Real ID, (gently caress if I know. I don't drive.) well, maybe you'll look into applying for a passport first, as an easy out. Except You still need a birth certificate to apply for a passport. Or at least, you need to show that you have citizenship. So you can have a passport (somewhat recursive logic here) or you can have a birth certificate, or what's functionally equivalent of a birth certificate, like a consular report of birth abroad, or other fancy pants documents that are basically differently titled consular reports of birth abroad. Or a naturalization or citizenship certificate if you migrated here. So let's say you have a birth certificate. Great. Except: It needs to be issued by the city, county or state of birth. It needs to have your full name at birth. It needs to have at least one parent's full name. It needs to have a signature of the registrar who filed the certificate. It needs to have been filed within one year of your birth, and it needs to have the detectable seal of the issuing authority. >phew< It looks like a long list but it's pretty reasonable on the face of it, right? But, OK. Let's say you were born at home or whatever. So you have a birth certificate, but oopsie-doodle, it was registered two years after your birth, or your parents named you later, or whatever the gently caress. Things were different then. (They're not really different now, but that's another rant) Well, now you need more poo poo. The poo poo you'll need is documentary evidence supporting the idea you were born in the United States around the time your birth certificate, (the document which is supposed to already establish that), says that you were. So let's say it was issued late. More than a year after your birth. Well. It can still be used if it has a signature of the birth attendant, is accompanied by an affidavit signed by one of your parents, and also by the way the documentation originally used to create the delayed certificate. OK, don't have that? Understandable. It's a weird list. How about this. What you can submit is a collection of early records. How early? Well, you're gonna want to shoot for within the first five years of your life. So you can submit records like a baptism/christening/whatever, a family bible, other religious records, you know, if you're a good, practicing christian, but they won't be good enough on their own anyhow, so maybe don't bother unless you have the other stuff. Doctor's records of post-natal care (  at getting that if you're pushing 80.) School records (Hope you remember your old school and its still open and keeps records that old), or US census records. Your parents who didn't have you in a hospital definitely still participated in the census, right? Hey, remember when I said to aim for 5 years? The US Census is conducted every 10 years.To ease some of this burden, you can have someone like an older blood relative like a parent, older sibling or hey, maybe the physician who delivered you, fill out an affidavit swearing they have personal knowledge of your birth and it was, indeed in the US. And then submit that with some of those other impossible-to-get items. And also, you know. If any of those people are still alive. To... fill out the affidavit. Good luck! Just be glad you were born here (so you claim) and not outside the US, or born on the nebulous border between the United States and Mexico. Then that could get complicated. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Here's a purely speculative thing I am merely floating out there for the sheer fun of contemplating: A lot of people still have a culture of not telling their children they were adopted. Let's say you're one of those people that never knew and your (now deceased) parents never, ever told you. Maybe that's why none of the dates ever seem to line up. Hypothetically. Imagine trying to dredge up documents for yourself, to support the idea of when you were born, for instance, but your very knowledge of the events of and around your own birth is false. How would you begin to figure that out? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Purely speculatively, let's say you were in prison for 19 years, and during that time your house got taken away, and you're trying to get back on your feet, and all of your documents are gone. Which document will you apply for first, and what will you use to apply for it? And, just for funsies, and not intended to be a political statement, do you think these purely hypothetical types of situations could apply to certain groups of people somewhat more often than certain other groups of people? Travel between nations is one thing. But if you want to require an ID of some kind for simple day-to-day living, domestic travel, or even simply for going into loving government buildings, and then not just give that ID to people? You're a loving psychopath. gently caress the very concept of the Federal Real ID.
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Apr 28, 2021 08:08
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Veryslightlymad posted:gently caress the very concept of the Federal Real ID. This spells out why I said it's horrible and must be destroyed. I have no idea why it's not on any intersectional leftist spaces' radar because REAL ID for domestic flight is a ticking social time bomb waiting to go off and it's only by the grace of state governments hemming and hawing and a goddamn pandemic we've been spared it so far.
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Apr 28, 2021 08:28
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zoux posted:Per wikipedia: I had no idea. 3,400 elephants. Jesus loving Christ this disgusting, barbaric poo poo should be banned immediately. Trophy hunting is on the exact same tier of psychopathic evil as child abuse or torture. Seeing animal trophies in someone's house is the loving Universe telling you "get out now." Some years ago (when my hunting buddy was still alive, RIP grandpa) I was a pretty good hunter. Every season we'd be out and about and every season we'd get two or three deer, sometimes more. Let me tell you about my one hunting trophy. I have a set of antlers mounted from the first deer I killed when I was 12. I tracked him, stalked him, shot him, hung him, gutted and cleaned him myself. My grandpa refused to help me at all, even though he was right there. "This is your responsibility." About a week after that deer meat went in the freezer, my grandpa brought me these antlers. I was taken aback, as I'd told him I didn't want any kind of trophy. He said, "This isn't a trophy. This is a memory and a lesson. Every time you look at it you will remember what meat really is. That what's on your plate didn't come from the store in a box or a bag but from the living wild. And you hunted it down and killed it, in pain and blood and fear, so you could keep our family fed. This is not to make you feel pride, or skill, or glory. It's to remind you of your place on this Earth and your responsibility to everything else that lives here." That's one of those lessons you never forget. The idea of killing something solely to show off that you killed it... gently caress me. I can't even get my brain around it. What kind of a monster do you have to be to let that idea even cross your loving mind? How impressive is it to be able to kill an animal, any animal, in 2021? It's like being proud you can make a loving phone call. Do the trophy "hunters" (or SOMEONE) at least eat the trophy animal? Or does the meat just rot so some scumbag coward can pretend they're a hunter?
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Apr 28, 2021 09:40
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JonathonSpectre posted:Do the trophy "hunters" (or SOMEONE) at least eat the trophy animal? Or does the meat just rot so some scumbag coward can pretend they're a hunter? The meat going to locals is one of the favorite excuses of trophy hunters, among "it was an old animal anyways" and "the money we pay to shoot hundreds of animals pays for the habitats for thousands more to thrive."
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In addition to his infrastructure plan!  https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1387338745779720195
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Republicans posted:The meat going to locals is one of the favorite excuses of trophy hunters, among "it was an old animal anyways" and "the money we pay to shoot hundreds of animals pays for the habitats for thousands more to thrive." Yeah that's still totally unacceptable. I have this incredible idea. What if, instead of paying to go kill an endangered animal, you paid to just go see one? You could even take these trophies called "pictures!" I've been lucky enough in the course of my life to meet three elephants. When they look at you, someone is looking back. Some one. Anyone who could even sight in on an elephant is a snake-eyed flint-hearted piece of poo poo who should be shunned by all mankind. Being willing to pull the trigger on one? We'd all be better off without you. Hell's gonna be hot, LaPierres! I certainly hope Lord Satan isn't listening when I say a good punishment for the first million years would be to make you two fucks elephants lying on the ground while grinning, happy monsters like yourselves pump round after agonizing round into you but are so incompetent they just... can't... kill you! Wouldn't that just be awful.
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Apr 28, 2021 11:29
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This elephant was an incel, it was never going to reproduce.
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Republicans posted:The meat going to locals is one of the favorite excuses of trophy hunters, among "it was an old animal anyways" and "the money we pay to shoot hundreds of animals pays for the habitats for thousands more to thrive." Yeah I’ve heard this a lot but it’s generally from the mouths of people who get a hard-on watching the light go out of a creature’s eyes that they can’t get buying meat from the grocery store so I view it with a whole lot of skepticism. It’s similar to the argument that military spending is the only way to invest in basic science.
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It's just murderlarping for small people. Sure, they may actually be being taken on guided "hunts" with every precaution and advantage accounted for so that it's as easy as flipping a switch, but in their head, they're an old school hunter armed with nothing but a knife that they made out of a sharp rock in a deadly game of Cat and Also Cat.
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Apr 28, 2021 12:29
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Didn't see this in recent pages, sorry if it's already been posted I don't feel the need to doomscroll as much any more for some reason (we're still hosed tho, just less so) https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/27/trump-rhetoric-capitol-rioters-legal-fight-484787
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Apr 28, 2021 12:48
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Veryslightlymad posted:And, as someone pointed out, a passport or passport card IS a valid Real ID, but it's not a driver's license. So if you're under the impression that you need this stuff to get a driver's license, or if the universe/country/whatever state is actually insane enough to require your license be a Real ID, (gently caress if I know. I don't drive.) well, maybe you'll look into applying for a passport first, as an easy out. That's the thing, a passport book/card isn't a Real ID. That's especially apparent, because the passport application process couldn't give a rat's rear end about your "address of principle residence." The Real ID act is about the minimum requirements for federal recognition of driver's licenses and ID cards that shouldn't have been allowed to have been issued by 50 different random-rear end jurisdictions in the first place.
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Charlz Guybon posted:In addition to his infrastructure plan! This is technically part of the $4 trillion infrastructure plan. There is $2.2 trillion in physical infrastructure and this $1.8 trillion in what he is calling "human infrastructure" (education, elder care, and child care).
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My view on organised and regulated trophy hunting is both that it's probably a necessary evil to aid conservation as things stand and that the people who actually pay to do it are psychopaths who should be placed on a watchlist.
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Apr 28, 2021 13:14
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This is technically part of the $4 trillion infrastructure plan. There is $2.2 trillion in physical infrastructure and this $1.8 trillion in what he is calling "human infrastructure" (education, elder care, and child care). So Manchin's pissed that the $4T bill he wanted isn't entirely just roads in WV with his name slapped on the side of them every mile?
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Apr 28, 2021 13:17
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I did not expect the Biden admin to go this way, treating every problem as a taxing and spending problem, because the only laws you can actually pass are taxing and spending laws. It seems to be going pretty well! But I hope enough arms can be twisted to be rid of the filibuster anyway before too long...
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Apr 28, 2021 13:18
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The other issue with Real ID is that we could have a national ID via Social Security and passports but that wouldn't allow states to prevent people to vote so...
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Apr 28, 2021 13:20
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the_steve posted:It's just murderlarping for small people. Starting to think we need a irl Guild of Calamitous Intent just to keep these rich sociopaths busy and hopefully cull the herd.
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Apr 28, 2021 13:27
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Thom12255 posted:So Manchin's pissed that the $4T bill he wanted isn't entirely just roads in WV with his name slapped on the side of them every mile? I don't think Manchin is pissed about that. His current complaint is that he wants the corporate tax rate to be a little bit lower than the Biden proposal. He's arguing that the Biden proposal takes us up to 28%, but it cuts out a lot of deductions and institutes an alternative minimum tax, so companies either pay the minimum tax rate or what they owe - whichever s higher. Manchin says that this means the effective rate will actually be going up a lot higher than the top-line rate and lowering the top-line rate would even it out to bring the effective tax rate down to where it was before the Trump tax cut. Also, a bunch of hopes that they can find bipartisan solutions.
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Chinese Gordon posted:My view on organised and regulated trophy hunting is both that it's probably a necessary evil to aid conservation as things stand and that the people who actually pay to do it are psychopaths who should be placed on a watchlist. Nope. It's not necessary. It's gross, harmful, and lovely and people don't need to do it.
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quote:Louisiana Lawmaker Argues Schools Must Teach ‘Good’ Of Slavery https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/04/27/louisiana-lawmaker-argues-schools-must-teach-good-of-slavery/?sh=556f5a2d8cf0
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/04/27/louisiana-lawmaker-argues-schools-must-teach-good-of-slavery/?sh=556f5a2d8cf0 You've got to be loving kidding me  There is literally no new low the GOP can't fall to, no idiocy too stupid for them to partake in Can't wait for the next GOP project,: The Holocaust: was it really so bad?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I don't think Manchin is pissed about that. His current complaint is that he wants the corporate tax rate to be a little bit lower than the Biden proposal. He's arguing that the Biden proposal takes us up to 28%, but it cuts out a lot of deductions and institutes an alternative minimum tax, so companies either pay the minimum tax rate or what they owe - whichever s higher. Manchin says that this means the effective rate will actually be going up a lot higher than the top-line rate and lowering the top-line rate would even it out to bring the effective tax rate down to where it was before the Trump tax cut. Also a crosspost from the Chauvin Trial Thread since I'm sure a number of folks unbookmarked it after the verdict and during the subsequent derail: Paracaidas posted:One of the jurors did an interview with CBS this morning. A few notes for those who can't watch:
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TulliusCicero posted:Can't wait for the next GOP project,: The Holocaust: was it really so bad? I'm sure there is someone out there that has said the Holocaust wasn't so bad because they got Israel out of it.
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Josef bugman posted:I think there was a big thing a few years back about lions being raised in captivity to be handled as cubs and then shot once they become "trophy worthy", so that is another soupcon of despair. Random Question: Why do Elephants have smaller tusks than their predecessors? What's the evolutionary pressure there?
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Ither posted:Random Question: Why do Elephants have smaller tusks than their predecessors? The longer tusks probably got stuck in the ground constantly Thom12255 posted:I'm sure there is someone out there that has said the Holocaust wasn't so bad because they got Israel out of it. 
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Ither posted:Random Question: Why do Elephants have smaller tusks than their predecessors? Tusk production takes resources. Eventually as things calm down and you don’t have as many apex predators, you can spend those resources elsewhere and keep the ornamental tusks to hash it out amongst the lads
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Ither posted:Random Question: Why do Elephants have smaller tusks than their predecessors? Not everything is selective!!!!!!!!!
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/04/27/louisiana-lawmaker-argues-schools-must-teach-good-of-slavery/?sh=556f5a2d8cf0 Always love it when these people poo poo their pants over the idea of systemic racism but aren't even able to articulate the difference between "systemic" and "systematic" Get outta here with yer book-learnin', either way it doesn't exist!! e: like to be clear this isn't just pedantry, I can easily see some way in which they manage to demonstrate that there is no "systematic" racism in the state laws or code, i.e. there's no explicit text on the books explaining "this is how to do a racism, go forth and be racist", when the entire point of what they're denying the existence of is unconscious biases built into the everyday machinery of life; and then when someone says "Uhhh no we were talking about systemic racism" the moment will have passed and they'll be derided as nerds Whether that would come about by malice or ignorance is an open question Data Graham fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Apr 28, 2021 |
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Ither posted:Random Question: Why do Elephants have smaller tusks than their predecessors? This doesn’t answer your question, but one of the side effects of poaching and trophy hunting is that tuskless elephants are becoming increasingly common, and if the trend continues, will eventually be the only elephants left.
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If you really are into protecting areas from elephants or just tormenting elephants in general, there are charities that help villages in rural areas get beehives which terrify elephants from interactions with people that might end badly. These charities almost always use native honeybees too instead of the invasive European honeybees we Americans know and love. https://elephantsandbees.com/ is the best known one if anyone's interested. Sorry for the derail, but figured that someone might want to help out.
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the_steve posted:It's just murderlarping for small people. 'Hunting' for the truly wealthy has long (hundreds of years) involved dozens or hundreds of beaters and gamekeepers guiding carefully prepared groups of game towards the hunters who can just stand around and chat while picking off the odd animal as it runs by. I don't think there is much illusion about the primordial hunt involved. The ease with which your wealth and power allows you to pick off a few hundred animals before going back to the picnic lunch laid out on white tablecloth with silver service is far more intoxicating.
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Sinister_Beekeeper posted:If you really are into protecting areas from elephants or just tormenting elephants in general, there are charities that help villages in rural areas get beehives which terrify elephants from interactions with people that might end badly. Huh, today I learned
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Data Graham posted:Bee stings actually bother elephants? everybody's bothered by a critter capable of stinging you in the eye. this is easy to forget as an agile human because we have hands and arms to protect our sensitive bits, if you were getting swarmed by by bees then as you were fleeing you'd instinctively cover your face. lots of animals dont have that option I wonder if elephants have a specific call for "oh gently caress! bees!" e: lol they do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqhx5PMRRh8 Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Apr 28, 2021 |
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Data Graham posted:Bee stings actually bother elephants? I doubt a bee sting can penetrate their skin on most of their body, but maybe eyes and up their nostrils could be a problem?
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