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https://twitter.com/tlbtlbtlb/status/1388926766920605698
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# ? Apr 27, 2024 00:16 |
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absolutely top-tier snipe
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# ? May 3, 2021 14:34 |
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So just can't get past the literal "billionaires bad, only millions of bitcoin, so no billionaires, wealth inequity solved!" None of the commenters seem to get it either: it's the concentration of wealth that's the problem, not the absolute number used to measure it. If we struck three zeroes off everybody's wealth, Bezos et al. would still control the same amount relative to the total value of the economy. And while he would then "only" be worth hundreds of millions, I would only get $45 a year. They really, really only have a child's grasp of money.
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# ? May 3, 2021 14:57 |
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Wait, they aren't joking?
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# ? May 3, 2021 14:58 |
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Welcome back, xtal, your 24 probe saved some carbob emissions allowance so you can shitpost about shitcoins for exactly 0.34 hours.
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# ? May 3, 2021 15:15 |
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Shout out to the goon in this thread who has spent at least 60 dollars on custom titles for me lol
xtal fucked around with this message at 17:47 on May 3, 2021 |
# ? May 3, 2021 15:15 |
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Lmao, nice avatar change from your crypto gainz.
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# ? May 3, 2021 15:16 |
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Just rename billion to boglion, and change all dictionaries. Boom, problem solved.
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# ? May 3, 2021 15:16 |
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Wow this might actually be the worst person...
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# ? May 3, 2021 15:29 |
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Ccs posted:Wow this might actually be the worst person... You mean the best. Right clicking save as to resell all posts as nfts Relevant Tangent fucked around with this message at 15:38 on May 3, 2021 |
# ? May 3, 2021 15:36 |
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hooray for butt coin
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# ? May 3, 2021 15:46 |
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xtal posted:Shout out to the goon in this thread who has spent at least 50 dollars on custom titles for me lol
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# ? May 3, 2021 16:16 |
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When I punched a random person in the face, I was just initiating a discussion about violence and the societal prerequisites for it. It's a makes you think kind of thing, you know.
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# ? May 3, 2021 16:19 |
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Destroying as in physically wrecking it, or just wasting a colossal amount of space for a return period that will outstrip the amount of time you are expecting to keep the drive for in the first place? Like actually wrecking them. SSDs have a total terabyte written value and after they pass that point, they have a good chance of failing when they lose power next. The hard drives are just filled with a colossal waste of space but once they are plotted out then you dont need to burn up your SSD.
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# ? May 3, 2021 16:41 |
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Paladinus posted:When I punched a random person in the face, I was just initiating a discussion about violence and the societal prerequisites for it. It's a makes you think kind of thing, you know. sounds like you're incentivizing improved cranial protection creation also your punches will be preserved on their face much like a battery
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# ? May 3, 2021 16:52 |
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https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/05/identifying-the-person-behind-bitcoin-fog.htmlquote:Most remarkable, however, is the IRS’s account of tracking down Sterlingov using the very same sort of blockchain analysis that his own service was meant to defeat. The complaint outlines how Sterlingov allegedly paid for the server hosting of Bitcoin Fog at one point in 2011 using the now-defunct digital currency Liberty Reserve. It goes on to show the blockchain evidence that identifies Sterlingov’s purchase of that Liberty Reserve currency with bitcoins: He first exchanged euros for the bitcoins on the early cryptocurrency exchange Mt. Gox, then moved those bitcoins through several subsequent addresses, and finally traded them on another currency exchange for the Liberty Reserve funds he’d use to set up Bitcoin Fog’s domain.
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# ? May 3, 2021 17:30 |
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Is this a parody site, like The Onion or Babylon Bee?
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# ? May 3, 2021 17:42 |
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Mad Dragon posted:Is this a parody site, like The Onion or Babylon Bee?
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# ? May 3, 2021 17:44 |
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So I love points like this because it misses a key attribute of an economy: it has to grow. If you only have 21 million buttcoins in existence then there will be some point where a person literally can not be part of an economy because there is no butts left to give. Like the gold standard problem the US faced. What, do they assume no one will hoard buttcoins? No one will save them? That the richer buttcoin holders will be ethically good? Like it baffles me because this is problems we have already solved* and yet they want to go and make the same mistakes? *Solved as in that specific problem, not the problems resulting from it.
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# ? May 3, 2021 18:53 |
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Destroying as in physically wrecking it, or just wasting a colossal amount of space for a return period that will outstrip the amount of time you are expecting to keep the drive for in the first place? Both. My take is that it make sense to do it on a small scale at home for space you already have left over, but never to go out and actually buy hardware for it. Effort post: There are two parts to chia mining, creating the plot and farming it. Creating a plot involves writing hashes to about 2x the plot size, then sorting those for fast lookup. That creates a ton of read/writes, which eats away at the drive durability. It's a lot faster to do that on an SSD. Consumer SSDs aren't really made for that kind of sustained work. The reported run for enterprise SSDs is likely because of miners wanting to quickly create a lot of plots. Or they expect that there will be demand for plot creation services. Farming a plot only takes a handful of reads every few minutes to see if you won the lottery, so you can leave it on some unused HDD space. You can just delete plots or move it to cold storage if you need the space. In both cases it seems dumb to get any hardware specifically for that purpose. The marginal gain for drawing more in the lottery is stupidly small. And as you said, you might not even keep the drive long enough to make it worth it. It make some sense to make a few plots for that unused NAS space at home, but not enough to buy drives for it. You just treat the farming it as a small lottery. IF Chia takes off and IF you are running a datacenter that overprovisions storage and IF you have a cheap tape come storage system, then it would maybe make sense to get some extra SSDs for Chia plot creation.
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# ? May 3, 2021 19:33 |
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Relevant Tangent posted:You mean the best. Right clicking save as to resell all posts as nfts I've been wondering that since it should be trivial to generate NFTs, why someone hasn't opened the floodgates and set things up to let anyone make NFTs for anything from their own computers. Really get the stupidity flowing.
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# ? May 3, 2021 20:07 |
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You say this as if cryptocurrency people aren't dumb as gently caress and won't blow thousands of dollars for a 0.0001% better chance of winning chia shavings.
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# ? May 3, 2021 20:20 |
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Random Stranger posted:I've been wondering that since it should be trivial to generate NFTs, why someone hasn't opened the floodgates and set things up to let anyone make NFTs for anything from their own computers. Really get the stupidity flowing. It costs money to "mint" an NFT, in the sense that it requires some expenditure of ethereum, I believe. If you don't already have some of the right kind of Dunning-Krugerrands then you would actually have to use real money to do it.
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# ? May 3, 2021 20:24 |
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CaptainSarcastic posted:It costs money to "mint" an NFT, in the sense that it requires some expenditure of ethereum, I believe. If you don't already have some of the right kind of Dunning-Krugerrands then you would actually have to use real money to do it. But that's an arbitrary restriction solely to funnel money into a few pockets as far as U can tell. There's nothing stopping anyone from inserting "X person owns Y" into the blockchain.
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# ? May 3, 2021 20:27 |
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NecroBob posted:You say this as if cryptocurrency people aren't dumb as gently caress and won't blow thousands of dollars for a 0.0001% better chance of winning chia shavings. Yeah, for much of the history of bitcoin it's been irrational (in the "rational economic actor" sense) to spend money on mining hardware. hasn't stopped hordes of idiots from doing it. it'll be the same with chia
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# ? May 3, 2021 20:30 |
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Random Stranger posted:But that's an arbitrary restriction solely to funnel money into a few pockets as far as U can tell. There's nothing stopping anyone from inserting "X person owns Y" into the blockchain. Transaction fees.
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# ? May 3, 2021 20:35 |
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NecroBob posted:You say this as if cryptocurrency people aren't dumb as gently caress and won't blow thousands of dollars for a 0.0001% better chance of winning chia shavings. hell there's already specialized chia mining hardware in production, like this motherboard with a 32-way SATA backplane built in the chia network is up to 1.7 million TB already, i wonder how much of that is from purpose-built mining operations
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# ? May 3, 2021 20:43 |
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blunt posted:Transaction fees. Again, they're totally arbitrary. Someone could always set up something to run meaningless transactions that insert the NFTs. The only way you couldn't would be if you couldn't independently exchange etheric between wallets. And given how stupid everything around crypto is, that's entirely possible. But it still feels like any yahoo with a graphics card should be able to set up their own NFT making operation.
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# ? May 3, 2021 21:00 |
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Say it ain't so, Bruce! https://www.facebook.com/groovybruce/posts/322703492552229 https://twitter.com/GroovyBruce/status/1385748562584117248 edit: almost every comment on his tweet is people making GBS threads on NFTs. Mad Dragon fucked around with this message at 21:13 on May 3, 2021 |
# ? May 3, 2021 21:01 |
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repiv posted:hell there's already specialized chia mining hardware in production, like this motherboard with a 32-way SATA backplane built in What the actual gently caress. Well, I'm hoping all those drivers are going to end up on the second hand market, I could use some more cheap backup space.
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# ? May 3, 2021 21:51 |
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Random Stranger posted:I've been wondering that since it should be trivial to generate NFTs, why someone hasn't opened the floodgates and set things up to let anyone make NFTs for anything from their own computers. Really get the stupidity flowing. You can do this right now. There's a fee, you make an NFT, and then Elon pays you in Ether for Big Dicked Mommy Milkers #69 of 420.
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# ? May 3, 2021 22:04 |
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Beef posted:What the actual gently caress. You would not want to use them as a backup drive. Or use them at all, most likely.
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# ? May 3, 2021 22:08 |
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Beef posted:Both. My take is that it make sense to do it on a small scale at home for space you already have left over, but never to go out and actually buy hardware for it. Can confirm - I plotted for about 2 weeks on a brand new NVMe drive, this is what happened: Chia transactions went live today, price on the market has been all over the place, but seems to be bouncing between 500 and 800 a coin right now. I feel like if this holds SSDs and high capacity HDDs (like 8TB+) are going to continue to spike. The net space growth is crazy too, so to even stand a shot at hitting a solo block you need to be plotting faster then the growth of the netspace. I've stopped plotting because I can no longer keep up. The Bittorrent guy behind all this said on the live stream this morning that anyone with less then 200TB today should probably just wait for pools (which currently don't exist in a legitimate form).
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# ? May 3, 2021 22:19 |
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ChronoBasher posted:Can confirm - I plotted for about 2 weeks on a brand new NVMe drive, this is what happened: gently caress cryptocurrency how would pools work with this one then? if someone wants to switch to a different pool do they have to recalculate all of their plots or fields or pastures or whatever the stupid loving things are called
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# ? May 3, 2021 22:24 |
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bitcoin crashing won't crash the real economy no matter how big it gets because world governments would just reverse fiat transactions to bring bank account balances to reasonable levels. the reason the 1929 crash had such a devastating effect on the real economy was because the world governments said "nuh uh, half the population has to starve now, those are the rules of money" and forced farmers to destroy crops.
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# ? May 3, 2021 22:31 |
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Hammerite posted:gently caress cryptocurrency To go from solo to pool you'd need to replot everything, ie SHRED some more SSDs to the SHA gods. To go from pool to pool the devs have said they have something coming so no re-plot will be needed. But who knows, pools don't even exist right now.
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# ? May 3, 2021 22:48 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pDTiFkXgEE
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# ? May 3, 2021 22:55 |
So does Chia claim to accomplish anything at all other than "here's a new coin, but you mine it with hard drives, not graphics cards!" Like Bitcoin is full of poo poo but I'm old enough to remember when there were some visions etc. and it had practical utility in that you could use it to buy weasel dust. A lot of this poo poo is going to evaporate when people can go on trips again. human garbage bag posted:bitcoin crashing won't crash the real economy no matter how big it gets because world governments would just reverse fiat transactions to bring bank account balances to reasonable levels. the reason the 1929 crash had such a devastating effect on the real economy was because the world governments said "nuh uh, half the population has to starve now, those are the rules of money" and forced farmers to destroy crops.
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# ? May 3, 2021 22:58 |
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Nessus posted:So does Chia claim to accomplish anything at all other than "here's a new coin, but you mine it with hard drives, not graphics cards!" Like Bitcoin is full of poo poo but I'm old enough to remember when there were some visions etc. and it had practical utility in that you could use it to buy weasel dust. Chia is supposed to be good for your health, but all studies are inconclusive so far.
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# ? May 3, 2021 23:04 |
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# ? Apr 27, 2024 00:16 |
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Nessus posted:So does Chia claim to accomplish anything at all other than "here's a new coin, but you mine it with hard drives, not graphics cards!" Like Bitcoin is full of poo poo but I'm old enough to remember when there were some visions etc. and it had practical utility in that you could use it to buy weasel dust. As far as I can tell no - its the same crap. They argue that it is less environmentally damaging since you aren't running GPUs/ASICs 24/7, just minimal HDD reads - but I don't think they foresaw the idiots dumping thousands on hardware and turning it into a SSD/CPU race to see who can fill up those terabytes faster. So the whole environment angle falls apart. They have a dev platform called Chialisp or something - but sounds basically like ETH were people can build apps on top of the Chia block chain woo hoo?
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