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Aesthetic criticism without acknowledgement of contemporary understanding is pretty useless, especially in something as tied to a given time period as entertainment. Without the benefit of the cultural zeitgeist and understanding of what it lead to, what kid is gonna pick up pac man today and be like "oooh this is so important and fun" To modern eyes pac man is loving poo poo garbage that one person could poo poo out of their basement in a couple of hours. Like it's not "wrong" to say HL2 doesn't hold up to the same threshold it set when first released but what is the use of that's pretty shallow analysis. and pac man was probably never fun anyhow Dig Dug should've been the gaming hero of the 80s
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half life 2 was an fps with a largely unimpressive collection of guns that weren't all that satisfying to use (barring the gravity gun and the alt fire of the combine rifle), a fairly limited amount of enemy types, and an overreliance on the new whizbang aspects of its engine leading to way too many irritating physics puzzles. there were also multiple pain in the rear end vehicle sections which is a mortal sin in an fps. at release it was above average but the march of time has rendered it solidly mediocre.
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May 6, 2021 13:28
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 adds up, element #20, this is just science
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Aesthetic criticism without acknowledgement of contemporary understanding is pretty useless, especially in something as tied to a given time period as entertainment. pac man rules gently caress you
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May 6, 2021 13:48
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Kitfox88 posted:half life 2 was an fps with a largely unimpressive collection of guns that weren't all that satisfying to use (barring the gravity gun and the alt fire of the combine rifle), a fairly limited amount of enemy types, and an overreliance on the new whizbang aspects of its engine leading to way too many irritating physics puzzles. there were also multiple pain in the rear end vehicle sections which is a mortal sin in an fps. at release it was above average but the march of time has rendered it solidly mediocre. Not enough waifus either .... Clearly not GoTY material.
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May 6, 2021 13:50
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etalian posted:Not enough waifus either .... this problem is easily fixed with the cinematic alyx mod so it's not even worth considering in the rankings smdh
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May 6, 2021 13:55
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Too heated in here, time to talk about Star Ocean again and how my main character is already a god who can stunlock everyone.
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Pac Man couldnt be made today but now the reasons are institutional rather than technological
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May 6, 2021 14:01
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Epic High Five posted:Pac Man couldnt be made today but now the reasons are institutional rather than technological I could see it being an indie game coming out of nowhere, but you wouldn’t get the physicality of the actual machine. Pac Man is universal, and while Bubble Bobble is more insane and fun for me Pac Man is distilled fun, and I assume it clicks with any child that’s seen a Pac Man machine in the wild.
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May 6, 2021 14:07
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Epic High Five posted:Pac Man couldnt be made today but now the reasons are institutional rather than technological cancel culture
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Kitfox88 posted:half life 2 was an fps with a largely unimpressive collection of guns that weren't all that satisfying to use (barring the gravity gun and the alt fire of the combine rifle), a fairly limited amount of enemy types, and an overreliance on the new whizbang aspects of its engine leading to way too many irritating physics puzzles. there were also multiple pain in the rear end vehicle sections which is a mortal sin in an fps. at release it was above average but the march of time has rendered it solidly mediocre. HL2 did make you use some terrible weapons at the start, but I loved it anyway and if you look at the other games at the time it was a masterpiece. The SMG and pistol felt bizarrely anemic and HL2 may have the least satisfying grenade ive ever used in a video game. On the other hand, the Magnum, the Shotgun and the Crossbow were pretty sweet because of the rag dolls. The gravity gun was amazing and crazy innovative. RPG was ok and the alt fire to combine rifle was unique and cool too. Honestly it was about 50/50 on the weapons. And again, it has to be judged in the context of when it was released. What other FPS games were out that you can even compare it to in 2004? Everything was ugly and terrible in the early 2000s. Even now the only truly great FPS campaign I can think of is Titanfall2. I'm sure I'm missing a few, but great single player FPS campaigns are not common. I'd nominate Dying Light as well but it's not really a shooter for most of the game.
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Norton posted:HL2 did make you use some terrible weapons at the start, but I loved it anyway and if you look at the other games at the time it was a masterpiece. The SMG and pistol felt bizarrely anemic and HL2 may have the least satisfying grenade ive ever used in a video game. On the other hand, the Magnum, the Shotgun and the Crossbow were pretty sweet because of the rag dolls. The gravity gun was amazing and crazy innovative. RPG was ok and the alt fire to combine rifle was unique and cool too. Honestly it was about 50/50 on the weapons. I think most FPS developers are tempted by the idea they can just make some mechanics, maps, and multiplayer so they just either don’t have or half rear end the campaign.
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Kitfox88 posted:half life 2 was an fps with a largely unimpressive collection of guns that weren't all that satisfying to use (barring the gravity gun and the alt fire of the combine rifle), a fairly limited amount of enemy types, and an overreliance on the new whizbang aspects of its engine leading to way too many irritating physics puzzles. there were also multiple pain in the rear end vehicle sections which is a mortal sin in an fps. at release it was above average but the march of time has rendered it solidly mediocre. In any case, I don't think you can fully place it in the FPS category. Like, it combined FPS gameplay, puzzles, first person tactics and tower defense and driving in a surprisingly cohesive whole. Obviously if both driving and puzzles irritate you that's gonna sour you on the game quite a lot, but I feel like the overall mix works pretty well in terms of selling the world. Instead of just getting teleported to the next action set piece, you basically have to traverse the world in its entirety, resulting in an entirely different experience - one of a world that's slowly and undramatically falling apart before you enter the scene and spice things up.
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Half Life 2 and its episodes were great gently caress the haters
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HL2 is very much of its time. not every game is timeless and can be enjoyed decades after its release. but this is one reason why HL3 seems really unlikely to me, they've waited so long that if they released something similar to HL2 now it would bomb really hard so they have to totally reinvent it and i really doubt they have many veteran FPS designers at Valve anymore.
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May 6, 2021 14:57
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Im ambivalent on HL2 but fear is such a better game that holds up. The atmosphere and gun plat are top notch
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Someday someone will try an actual demake and it will probably flop, but I will love it. HL 3 should be in GoldSrc.
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May 6, 2021 15:07
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I am playing Dishonored 2 and Arkane still makes cool levels for first person games where you can shoot stuff.
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uber_stoat posted:HL2 is very much of its time. not every game is timeless and can be enjoyed decades after its release. but this is one reason why HL3 seems really unlikely to me, they've waited so long that if they released something similar to HL2 now it would bomb really hard so they have to totally reinvent it and i really doubt they have many veteran FPS designers at Valve anymore. valve claims their intent with the half life series is to use it as a platform to push the medium, and i do believe them. so yeah, if we ever get half life 3 it’s going to be far from a standard fps or what we got from half life 2. this is why we got half life alyx (it’s the best vr game sorry haters), they saw the opportunity to do something novel with vr and they ran with it. who knows what their next gimmick will be. (spoilers gabe newell is going to neuralink half life 3 into your brain and give you a real life seizure, goty)
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Lostconfused posted:I am playing Dishonored 2 and Arkane still makes cool levels for first person games where you can shoot stuff. Prey was really fun (especially the Mooncrash DLC) and I'm excited for Deathloop.
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The Blood remake is on sale. That’s a fun FPS, also FEAR is a dollar all the time and rules.
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So all of you nerds talking about old fps games, I am not seeing anyone mention No One Lifs Forever. I thought that was supposed to be good?
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Lostconfused posted:So all of you nerds talking about old fps games, I am not seeing anyone mention No One Lifs Forever. I thought that was supposed to be good? no NOLF2 was good tho and NOLF3 will never come out due to coypright limbo hell
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May 6, 2021 15:20
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Prey is great but Dishonored 1 and 2 are some of my favourite games ever, the tone of that world is just wonderful
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playing Jedi fallen order and getting really mad at this rabid jotaz thing
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Just tuned into an REVIII stream and it's almost certainly going to be one of those games where all the protagonists are so dumb you end up rooting for the bad guys
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Lostconfused posted:So all of you nerds talking about old fps games, I am not seeing anyone mention No One Lifs Forever. I thought that was supposed to be good? the problem with that is that no one really knows who owns the rights anymore and i guess no one cares enough to spend the money to find out, so you have to warez it to play it these days unless you have the actual physical media.
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HL2 isn't even in the top 5 of games that came out in 2004
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Epic High Five posted:Just tuned into an REVIII stream and it's almost certainly going to be one of those games where all the protagonists are so dumb you end up rooting for the bad guys My favorite stupid thing of RE7 was the cop who didn't question the barb wired window in front of his face when talking to the protagonist, gave him a knife and then didn't bother to turn his head all the way around when the garage door suddenly closed behind him.
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grieving for Gandalf posted:HL2 isn't even in the top 5 of games that came out in 2004 Man I had to look up again what games came out that year, forgot how many incredible releases happened that year Where the gently caress is my Psi-Ops sequel
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SirSamVimes posted:I'm very much enjoying the revisionist history of "actually HL2 was bad" i think its reception at launch clearly shows how ground breaking it was but going back now its a lot of loving sewer to get through in that first 3rd of the game and clunky physics puzzles dont have the same impact. some are going to look at it and disagree with the hype the way a movie goer would laugh at the idea of an early cinema audience ducking for cover when a train came at the screen.
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Epic High Five posted:Just tuned into an REVIII stream and it's almost certainly going to be one of those games where all the protagonists are so dumb you end up rooting for the bad guys Ah the famous "Far Cry" strategy
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Perhaps the guns were made less than satisfying to use to encourage the use of the gravity gun? Yeah, the level design was what really did it for me. Every level was completely different from the last complete with its own theme and pace. And somehow they all worked pretty drat well. I have particularly fond memories of speeding past 15 firing soldiers to jump a dirt bike through a glass window, and I dunno if I've ever felt the same level of animosity towards a boss as I did that loving helicopter that followed you through multiple levels on strafing runs. It felt so freaking good when they slapped that machine gun on your airboat and you finally got revenge.
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On the other hand you were going through a level and then randomly run into a long rear end level load break. And they kept doing it in another games like Portal 2. Source engine loving sucks.
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not having a shotgun right up until ravenholm ruled because it was just about when you'd quit and you finally get a sweet rear end sounding shotty it's called edging
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like an hour and a half in and I haven't seen one clock or light ray based puzzle, wtf has happened to this series since I last played it with RE2? Next you'll tell me they don't do things like put you in a police station where the jail cells are hidden behind an animal crest puzzle
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Lostconfused posted:On the other hand you were going through a level and then randomly run into a long rear end level load break. This is way worse in alyx
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At this point HL 3 might not be happening because it would be really weird if Valve had to license Unreal.
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Epic High Five posted:Just tuned into an REVIII stream and it's almost certainly going to be one of those games where all the protagonists are so dumb you end up rooting for the bad guys so it's an RE game, sounds good
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TheMightyBoops posted:At this point HL 3 might not be happening because it would be really weird if Valve had to license Unreal. HL3 is not happening because with valve's non-management style, devs end up spending months working on liquid shaders for bottles instead of making an actual game they run their company like a research college with no publishing requirements
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