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Ghost Leviathan posted:Venom seems to have the early but perennial superhero movie problem where the villain has to be connected to the hero because they can't possibly have any source of superpowers outside of the same one the protagonist has, so you end up with either this or comical mismatches with powerless thugs and tech bros. Which is funny, because Spider-Man doesn’t tend to have this problem. Green Goblin, Doc Ock, and Sandman have nothing to do with Peter at all. Neither do Mysterio or Vulture in MCU Spider-Man. The Garfield movies fall into that trap a little (everything is connected to OsCorp) but even there Lizard or Electro have relatively little to do with SM. Venom could easily do non-symbiote villains, I just think Sony is stretching out their Spider IP as much as they can, so why use Kraven or Morbius or Hobgoblin when you can make separate movies about them? People want that, right?
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Does that mean that Morbius' nemesis is going to be a dude that spits blood and can only go out in the sunlight?
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May 11, 2021 09:14
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Woody and Hardy (lol) going full Venom Mode at the same time is going to be awesome shame that the trailer is dark and desaturated as hell so the action will be terrible again but hopefully it will be balanced by more romcom hijinks
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May 11, 2021 09:30
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Xealot posted:Which is funny, because Spider-Man doesn’t tend to have this problem. Green Goblin, Doc Ock, and Sandman have nothing to do with Peter at all. Neither do Mysterio or Vulture in MCU Spider-Man. The Garfield movies fall into that trap a little (everything is connected to OsCorp) but even there Lizard or Electro have relatively little to do with SM. Yeah, I think it helps they were basically forced to do that because Spider-man's entire origin is absolutely a one-off, though then again 75% of his extensive rogues gallery are freak lab accidents.
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May 11, 2021 09:55
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Is he? Zack has talked about a number of ideas so far There are a couple of spinoffs to his Zombie film going on, one's a prequel film, the other's an anime The next film will probably be a small budget film called Horse Latitudes, production is delayed because of Covid, but it seems it's the next one he's gonna tackle. He hasn't said much about what the movie is about, but as I understand it it has to do with loss and death. Aside from that, there's the Norse Mythology anime he's working on, he's talked about a sci fi starring a female lead, a King Arthur Movie as well as a movie about Napoleon. He clearly has ideas, but time will tell which project he focuses on.
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May 11, 2021 10:09
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Snyder should shoot Kubrick's Napoleon script. Watch some heads really explode.
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May 11, 2021 12:20
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Kalko posted:Taking this opportunity to post one of the greatest entrances in motion picture history : Since The Death of Stalin is based on a graphic novel, does that make it a comic book movie?
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:Since The Death of Stalin is based on a graphic novel, does that make it a comic book movie? It's based on Man of Steel right?
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May 11, 2021 15:41
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Gatts posted:I demand Maximum Carnage Only if they get Juliette Lewis to play Shriek.
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Xealot posted:He wouldn't, definitely. But I very much want him to make an epic sci-fi/fantasy thing like Star Wars. The beginning of Man of Steel is better than most if not all of the Disney-Lucasfilm material, so I'm in for more of that. The Krypton stuff in MoS is so pitch perfect in being weird, advanced, obviously sexually repressed but also trying to reject any connection to the natural environment that I get bummed thinking about how it's going to be discarded whenever they reboot Supes. That said, there's plenty of weird SFF for Snyder to adapt. I'd love to see him take a shot at the Locked Tomb or Imperial Radch trilogies.
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May 11, 2021 16:04
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Should make an unrated cut called Maximum Carnage and a PG cut called Medium Carnage.
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RBA Starblade posted:It's based on Man of Steel right? Now I'm picturing Death of Stalin taking place in the Red Son timeline.
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McCloud posted:Aside from that, there's the Norse Mythology anime he's working on, he's talked about a sci fi starring a female lead, a King Arthur Movie as well as a movie about Napoleon. I accidentally read this list as a single entity, but I don’t think this is the first time Zach Snyder’s Fate has come up...
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waddler posted:I accidentally read this list as a single entity, but I don’t think this is the first time Zach Snyder’s Fate has come up... I mean, I would absolutely watch a sci-fi fantasy re-telling of the King Arthur legend from Guinevere or Morgaine Le Fay's perspective that somehow intersects Norse mythology and - through time travel or immortality - ropes Napoleon into the action. That sounds great.
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Xealot posted:I mean, I would absolutely watch a sci-fi fantasy re-telling of the King Arthur legend from Guinevere or Morgaine Le Fay's perspective that somehow intersects Norse mythology and - through time travel or immortality - ropes Napoleon into the action. That sounds great. Zack Snyder's Bill and Ted 4
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May 11, 2021 21:02
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if they’re just coming out and confirming there are no other supers or Spidermen in Venom’s universe yet I wonder if that means spider verse will end up being real. assuming Sony doesn’t seriously intend to do just a bunch of weird solo movies with Spider-Man villains im still intensely dubious even with all the confirmed cameos that the new Spider-Man won’t just be another mysterio/pietro bait and switch with how not careful at all they’ve been with the “leaks” like Holland Spidey is watching some in universe bad spider-man TV show and haha Alfred Molina is doc Ock in the show we got you
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May 11, 2021 21:31
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Mandrel posted:if they’re just coming out and confirming there are no other supers or Spidermen in Venom’s universe yet I wonder if that means spider verse will end up being real. assuming Sony doesn’t seriously intend to do just a bunch of weird solo movies with Spider-Man villains It would rule if they did this but then it zooms in on the TV a bit and then the entire rest of the movie is all of these other Spider-Men/villains EXCEPT for Holland, like him turning on his TV as the credits roll is his entire role in the film.
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May 11, 2021 21:45
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Kalko posted:Taking this opportunity to post one of the greatest entrances in motion picture history : It does have some competition.
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waddler posted:I accidentally read this list as a single entity, but I don’t think this is the first time Zach Snyder’s Fate has come up... Not gonna lie, I think Fate's themes are right up Snyder's alley.
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May 12, 2021 03:27
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The obvious solution to Venom not having Spiderman around is either they're all set during the Blip, or they're before Peter became Spiderman. Duh.
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Lord_Magmar posted:The obvious solution to Venom not having Spiderman around is either they're all set during the Blip, or they're before Peter became Spiderman. Duh. Or they're in some other world in the multiverse which we know is a thing.
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There are other superheroes in Venom’s world, they’re just Image Comics characters Savage Dragon and WildC.A.T.s, for maximum confusion.
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Xealot posted:There are other superheroes in Venom’s world, they’re just Image Comics characters Savage Dragon and WildC.A.T.s, for maximum confusion. Venom v Dilbert
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Grendels Dad posted:Venom v Dilbert  https://abgcomics.com/post/126442538026/sunday-strip-watchmen-its-pretty-much-a-very
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May 12, 2021 10:09
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Took me a while to realize that that Venom never uses webbing and other Spidey things so he never got to touch Peter. Maybe that’s why he’s such a bro.
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Invalid Validation posted:Took me a while to realize that that Venom never uses webbing and other Spidey things so he never got to touch Peter. Maybe that’s why he’s such a bro. Eddie might have "touched" Peter in the sense of stiff-arming him (pre-spider bite) while yelling "Outta the way, kid! I'm chasing a story!"
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MonsieurChoc posted:Not gonna lie, I think Fate's themes are right up Snyder's alley. Just imagining the bit where Shirou takes control of Unlimited Blade Works and parts the stormclouds to reveal a blue sky while Archer is suddenly wracked with the memories and idealistic hopes of his past life he's spent his whole adulthood repressing and thinking Yeah, Yeah that's the kind of poo poo Snyder would have a great spin on
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https://twitter.com/Matt_Sibley/status/1392523376619663361?s=19 No surprises there
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Even as someone who will defend plenty of Marvel films, it's worrying how little auteur autonomy is being left in their pipeline; the directors dont direct the action sequences (over a third of most of these films), the editors work on set coloring guidelines, and they're not permitting showrunner-writers who can put their spin on the project. You'd think TV would be the place they'd allow some autonomy. Netflix aimed for a different tone from Disney, had their own flops, Agents of Shield did *waves hands* and the Marvel machine still printed money, what's the harm?
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disney as an organization is pathologically obsessed with their Brand, is why. Its not just enough that something makes money; it has to make money the way Disney says it should. This is the same company that would, if given the opportunity, destroy every extant record that Song of the South ever actually existed as a film so that they could just pretend that the br'er rabbit gang only exist as Marketable Branding Characters for splash mountain. This is the company that got caught retouching set photos of the original Star Wars to remove cigarettes because Carrie Fisher having smoked in 1977 is considered unacceptable for the Disney 2020 Brand. Disney doesn't care if a director can print money for them doing things their way, because if the director is doing things their way that means Disney doesn't have a hand firmly on the steering wheel to keep them from leaving the center lane.
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Neurolimal posted:You'd think TV would be the place they'd allow some autonomy. Netflix aimed for a different tone from Disney, had their own flops, Agents of Shield did *waves hands* and the Marvel machine still printed money, what's the harm? Asset management completely takes over the artistic process in order to make as much money as possible. Even the brand obsession is just instrumental; rewriting history is the same as discarding old machinery to them. The goal is to make the artistic process into an industrial manufacturing process that can be predictably controlled and endlessly fine-tuned to make even more money.
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Halloween Jack posted:Asset management completely takes over the artistic process in order to make as much money as possible. Even the brand obsession is just instrumental; rewriting history is the same as discarding old machinery to them. The goal is to make the artistic process into an industrial manufacturing process that can be predictably controlled and endlessly fine-tuned to make even more money. Related but these Megacorps are usually averse to risk and double down on stuff that's worked until it starts failing. Marvel's made tens of billions under Feige, they're going to let him run all of it until the flops start hitting the bottom line.
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I'm kind of curious of what people's lived experiences as the directors and writers on the series have been like. Like a showrunner can also stomp down on the creativity on talent, and there are shows where writers don't really get to do anything and are just glorified editors for a creative genius. They can act like bullies locking people out of the room like Sam Simon did for years to women writers on The Simpsons or like creepy gurus who abuse their power like Dan Harmon or Matthew Weiner. it's Marvel and I'm aware of them not just making story elements straight edict but also storyboarding movies before there is even a proper creative team. So, not really going to go to bat for them being a bastion for artistic vision. But I'm not totally against the idea of a traditional showrunner being challenged.
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What is the practical difference between not having a show runner and having a series of shows all made by the same director/producer ala J.J. Abrams or Shondaland?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:What is the practical difference between not having a show runner and having a series of shows all made by the same director/producer ala J.J. Abrams or Shondaland? EDIT: To be clear, Abrams and Shondland's shows all have/had showrunners who have more influence than what is being described in the Marvel stuff. I mean Abrams producing Lost and having Lindelof showrun is what eventually led to him actually making good stuff like The Leftovers. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 22:42 on May 13, 2021 |
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JJ doesn’t run shows, yeah. He comes up with the concept or gets pitched one from someone inside Bad Robot, it gets developed inside the company, and then JJ goes into the room and pitches the developed idea to a network or platform. Once it’s greenlit, he maybe directs the pilot to establish the style of the show, and once that’s done, it’s up to the showrunners. Like, Kurtzman and Orci cut their teeth on co-running Alias in the middle seasons, pitched JJ on Fringe, and then developed and ran that while working on M:I 3 and early work on Star Trek.
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Well this is ironic. https://variety.com/2021/film/news/marvel-shang-chi-eternals-china-release-1234971166/ Shang-Chi might have trouble screening in China due to using the "real" Mandarin as a villain. Meanwhile, Eternals sees a similar issue but because of Chloe Zhao being a "persona-non-grata" for the CCP.
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The MSJ posted:Well this is ironic. Finally, some vindication for saying that retconning a "real" Mandarin in an Iron Man 3 DVD bonus short was a dumb idea.
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Detective No. 27 posted:Finally, some vindication for saying that retconning a "real" Mandarin in an Iron Man 3 DVD bonus short was a dumb idea.
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