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If the Proud Boys death squads show up at my protest I will simply release a flock of doves as a distraction while I slide down a bannister shooting them in slow motionFroghammer posted:I mean, it's the same way gossip works. People actually believing that the election was stolen is less important than everyone knowing that everyone is talking about how some people, somewhere, believe that the election was stolen. Yeah it's definitely self reinforcing at this point, I just think it matters that the big lie started as a campaign strategy for the Georgia runoffs (that sure worked out for them) and not as some grassroots movement of Republican voters. https://mobile.twitter.com/OregonZoo/status/1392515269306687492 James Garfield fucked around with this message at 17:48 on May 12, 2021 |
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zoux posted:I can't believe Liz Cheney came up with the plan, and the money, to pay off Stormy Daniels. And also cheated on Melania with her! Why would Liz Cheney intimidate the Ukraine into investigating Trump, and then frame him for it?! drat it Liz, is there no end to your scheming?!
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Velocity Raptor posted:Maybe I'm just thinking of a form of purity testing. I haven't been able to find anything on google to back up what I mean, so maybe I'm just dumb. It's not meant as critique at all! It's just interesting in interrogating ideas like this because it's interesting to see the differences and similarities between different sorts of thought! Also you are not dumb in the least iota, I appreciate your posts at least. Also this is something I want to talk about at least a little, but what is the difference between "purity testing" as it relates to most things. The way I see it used keeps changing from "We just want X and if you want Y your a bad person" to people asking "Please stop saying that X is good, it's really harmful". It seems as if most groups practice "purity testing" in it's most basic form and it's interesting to see where folks draw a line.
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“Hillary Clinton killed my dog and raped my mom!” 4 years later “I can’t believe Liz Cheney killed my mom and raped my dog!”
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Josef bugman posted:It's not meant as critique at all! It's just interesting in interrogating ideas like this because it's interesting to see the differences and similarities between different sorts of thought! No worries. Reading my post again and it's much more deprecating than I intended. I just honestly don't know where I heard what I was describing and the fact that google isn't helping me dig it up makes me thing that I'm confusing it with something else. What I meant though, was like some people come together because they're tired of people with pickup trucks in their neighborhood. And they go around and harass people with pickups and go to town meetings to try and get a pickup truck ban implemented. Eventually they succeed and there is no more pickup trucks in the neighborhood. However, there sure are an awful lot of people with vans... Like, once the cause of the groups founding has been removed, the group looks for other validation to exist. Thinking on it more, I think it came up during an explanation of Qanon as a group and how they sometimes turned on and ousted one another. In that instance, I guess it would be more ousting someone because they're no longer sufficiently a believer.
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I keep wondering if this is going to happen to Romney, but I have a feeling that this particular punishment is because Liz is a woman who talked bad about Trump, and the GOP is slavishly devoted to a mysognist pig and run on an openly mysognist platform. Like other GOP members voted in favor of impeachment: why just Cheney?
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TulliusCicero posted:I keep wondering if this is going to happen to Romney, but I have a feeling that this particular spanking is because Liz is a woman who talked bad about Trump, and the GOP is slavishly devoted to a mysognist pig and run on an openly mysognist platform. This is absolutely not going to happen to Romney, because even the most foolish GOP fashies are not foolish enough to deliberately lose a Senate seat.
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Wouldn’t Romney have to go through the Senate where there would be way less support for removing anyone on their side? I’m sure sexism is a part of it for sure, but if he was in the House I think it would be much more likely he would be removed.
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TulliusCicero posted:I keep wondering if this is going to happen to Romney, but I have a feeling that this particular punishment is because Liz is a woman who talked bad about Trump, and the GOP is slavishly devoted to a mysognist pig and run on an openly mysognist platform. Cheney was a member of the leadership and from an established political dynasty. She's not a backbencher who is going to retire anyway. Cheney's job involves fundraising and election strategy, and her outspoken stances on "truth" and "democracy" get in the way of that. Romney doesn't have a formal leadership post. He has been censored by the state party, but he can't be removed from office until the 2024 primary.
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Velocity Raptor posted:Like, once the cause of the groups founding has been removed, the group looks for other validation to exist. True, but at the same time is that different from an organisation that sets out to improve some municipal thing, succeeds and then demands more? The internal turning on "opponents" that are not true opponents but are people who are simply different is a very common one, but I don't think it is limited to just these particular groups as it were.
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zoux posted:Oh okay, I see the problem here, the House minority leader is literally blind and deaf Anyone want to place a bet that he will contradict this statement within the next 3-4 months?
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The crazy thing I feel about the "I need a gun to protect myself from crime" is I had one person literally tell me they needed it because there's a gang next to them and well, if they wanted you dead I don't think any amount of armament will help you. They will just burn your house down with you in it. By extension I think this logic applies to any one or group that insists they need it to protect themselves; whether it be from hypothetical violent criminals or oppressive groups. If they want you dead, they outnumber you and presumably possess considerably less scruples about how they are going to kill you and aren't going to go about it in a way where you have a shot at defending yourself. I don't think there exists a single situation that doesn't ultimately becomes unable to answer the what if of "What if they set your house on fire?" None.
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TulliusCicero posted:I keep wondering if this is going to happen to Romney, but I have a feeling that this particular punishment is because Liz is a woman who talked bad about Trump, and the GOP is slavishly devoted to a mysognist pig and run on an openly mysognist platform. I'm sure Cheney being a woman has to do with it, but she's also the only one in leadership. I think Kinzinger (at least) had a primary challenger announce, but Republicans can't do much until then.
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Rea posted:This is absolutely not going to happen to Romney, because even the most foolish GOP fashies are not foolish enough to deliberately lose a Senate seat. I really don't think Utah would fail to vote Republican even if Zombie Stalin wins the primary. The Republican Party is free to nominate whatever whackjob they want, bending the knee to Dear Leader is all that's necessary.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/SallyBronston/status/1392523737883455492 ...So they are mad at Cheney for supporting the impeachment of a President who tried to overturn the legitimate election of his rival? So they just support the overturning of the legitimate election: cool cool McCarthy has to be the dumbest fucker alive and he just gives the Dems soundbites to play in the suburbs every day until 2022
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Uhhh how is this pipeline attack not an act of war
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cr0y posted:Uhhh how is this pipeline attack not an act of war No evidence that it’s a state actor
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cr0y posted:Uhhh how is this pipeline attack not an act of war It was a privateer attack, not a direct Russian (or whoever) government assault.
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BougieBitch posted:Hm, can you link me on that? My recollection was that it was killed in a ploy to get Lieberman on board, but if you have more information about that I'd like to see it. Here's some recent articles that seem to indicate that at least some of the Dems think they can get it through in reconciliation: Why would it be any different this time. It's easier to pass legislation with a 10 seat majority than a 0 seat majority, they can't lose a single senator. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 18:21 on May 12, 2021 |
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/SallyBronston/status/1392523737883455492 He's not wrong, no one is questioning. They've finished sorting themselves into the camps of whether or not the election was legitimate
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cr0y posted:Uhhh how is this pipeline attack not an act of war Please don't openly endorse going to war over hacks because some oil company didn't implement a stronger security program. Love, your friends in Cybersecurity.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/SallyBronston/status/1392523737883455492 i think one of the subtexts here is that nobody respects mccarthy, especially cheney, but also trump, and everyone else in the caucus. he's a nothing. trump tolerated having him there because he is a nothing, he'd do what he was told and wouldn't have the spine to say no even if he wanted. the rest of the caucus tolerated having him in because he was basically a sack of hay with a face drawn on it: letting him be in charge didn't elevate any of the warring factions over each other because he's a nothing. he is really, really dumb and him thinking on his own would not be tolerated, but he's not really capable of it - hence, dumb stuff like this. he finally got pissed off at cheney because she wasn't even hiding her disdain for him anymore and what he was supposed to get out of all of this was people pretending to respect him
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TwoQuestions posted:I really don't think Utah would fail to vote Republican even if Zombie Stalin wins the primary. The Republican Party is free to nominate whatever whackjob they want, bending the knee to Dear Leader is all that's necessary. This is 100% true. To show an easy example of this, look at how the state voted for Trump in 2016. There was a 3rd party Mormon, McMullin, on the ballot and the Mormon church had officially "denounced" Trump (for like a week). Trump still easily won (45.54%), with more than doubled the votes of McMullin (21.54%) and nearly doubled the votes of Clinton (27.46%).
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Josef bugman posted:True, but at the same time is that different from an organization that sets out to improve some municipal thing, succeeds and then demands more? The internal turning on "opponents" that are not true opponents but are people who are simply different is a very common one, but I don't think it is limited to just these particular groups as it were. I was able to find what I was thinking of. It was from a video on youtube giving an explanation of how the Alt-Right radicalizes its members and then ostracizes anyone who speaks out - labeling them as an infiltrator trying to push an agenda, resulting in other members being more likely to stay in line else they risk being ousted too. Here's the video I'm talking about timestamped to the relevant section. (9:32 - 12:47) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g&t=572s
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Real curious how the GOP is going to message: "The election is over and legitimate, but the President should not have been impeached because ???" And the Frothing at the mouth senile lunatic ranting at his Hotel and to the internet to anyone who will listen about "MASS VOTER FRAUD! STOP THE STEAL!" ...good thing almost all of their voters are dumb as pig poo poo I guess
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CommieGIR posted:Please don't openly endorse going to war over hacks because some oil company didn't implement a stronger security program. I'm actually an ICS cybersecurity goon 🙂. I (incorrectly) thought it was believed to be a Russian actor.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Kind of? I'm not taking a side here but this is a thing that happened depending on your definition of leftist. 'The KKK' is a weird definition of leftist. (If you read a bit closely, that's actually a right-wing rally being attacked by leftists. The OP asked for an example of a left-wing rally fending off right-wing attackers using guns. Hayes Pond was a KKK rally being attacked by Lumbee Native Americans wielding guns.)
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cr0y posted:I'm actually an ICS cybersecurity goon 🙂. I (incorrectly) thought it was believed to be a Russian actor. And that's exactly why we shouldn't treat cyber incidents as "acts of war". Attribution is difficult.
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cr0y posted:I'm actually an ICS cybersecurity goon 🙂. I (incorrectly) thought it was believed to be a Russian actor. I'm still easily willing to believe it was despite protests, but this is not something you go to war over against a nuclear power.
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Velocity Raptor posted:I was able to find what I was thinking of. It was from a video on youtube giving an explanation of how the Alt-Right radicalizes its members and then ostracizes anyone who speaks out - labeling them as an infiltrator trying to push an agenda, resulting in other members being more likely to stay in line else they risk being ousted too. Ahhh got it! Thank you. But this is an instance where "the alt-right" are not the only people that do this. It's a thing based around communal understanding of things.
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zoux posted:George P is Jeb's son. This is why I take the DOJ/fbi investigation over congress investigation of the 6th and the various Trump election poo poo. All these ghouls will peacock and not recall and etc in front of the cameras and cspan. They don’t in private.
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Josef bugman posted:Ahhh got it! Thank you. Yeah, I misremembered what this was referring to and applied it incorrectly. This is starting to get in the weeds now, so lets just end it here since this whole thing started based on me attributing behavior incorrectly.
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TulliusCicero posted:I keep wondering if this is going to happen to Romney, but I have a feeling that this particular punishment is because Liz is a woman who talked bad about Trump, and the GOP is slavishly devoted to a mysognist pig and run on an openly mysognist platform. she a woman
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Velocity Raptor posted:Yeah, I misremembered what this was referring to and applied it incorrectly. This is starting to get in the weeds now, so lets just end it here since this whole thing started based on me attributing behavior incorrectly. Got it, but thank you! Keep safe!
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TulliusCicero posted:I keep wondering if this is going to happen to Romney, but I have a feeling that this particular punishment is because Liz is a woman who talked bad about Trump, and the GOP is slavishly devoted to a mysognist pig and run on an openly mysognist platform. don't think any others were in leadership to be expelled. they're not expelling her from the house, just her leadership position. the expulsions start in the next primary season.
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Rea posted:This is absolutely not going to happen to Romney, because even the most foolish GOP fashies are not foolish enough to deliberately lose a Senate seat. Well, they did shoot themselves in the foot on two in Georgia.
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