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Skwirl posted:maybe Shanghai Noon, but I haven't seen that since it was in theaters. neither have i but i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's not good
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May 12, 2021 19:20
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Where my The Tuxedo-heads at? That's the first movie I ever walked out of.
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May 12, 2021 19:26
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:i recently rewatched Rush Hour and on browsing the trivia discovered that Rotten Tomatoes was specifically invented by a Jackie Chan fan to consolidate reviews of that movie. another great movie with a terrible legacy. For the longest time I thought RT came from moviepoopshoot.com
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Where my The Tuxedo-heads at? I remember watching it on a plane as a kid shortly after it came out. I had really really wanted to see it in theaters but didn't, and then remember being disappointed watching it. So a few years ago I randomly threw it on to see if it was maybe a hidden gem or something. Nope, awful. Just bad. There's one good scene which is when Jackie first puts on the Tuxedo and basically has to act like its controlling him and it's fantastic physical acting from the master, but beyond that just total rubbish. I know there's a popular video essay about how Hong Kong vs. America cuts action scenes with Jackie Chan as the focus, but it really is just striking how little American directors understood what makes Jackie Chan special. Rush Hour gets the closest but it's still sloppy even when compared to some of the more middling stuff Chan did in Hong Kong.
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May 12, 2021 22:13
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Skwirl posted:Rush Hour and Rush Hour 2 are basically the only American Jackie Chan films I can recommend without reservation, maybe Shanghai Noon, but I haven't seen that since it was in theaters. Rush Hour 2 is such a great, breezy, entertaining movie. It's weird that a Ratner film could be so good. Best part is how they go get information from Don Cheadle, who points them to a guy who's been gambling some questionable bills. They go to talk to the guy, he panics immediately when he sees them and runs through a door leading them right to the 3rd act of the film. It makes no sense and it's bad detective work, but whatever, it keeps things moving along really well.
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May 12, 2021 22:19
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I watched Cleo from 5 to 7, it was basically all three Before movies condensed into 90 minutes. I liked it a lot!
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Cleo From 5 to 7 is the best movie of the French New Wave.
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Two months ago I would have said Armie Hammer was the worst casting for that film. Edit: How did the Orient Express film get a sequel, I didn't hear anything about it immediately after it was released, I'd assumed it was a flop.
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Skwirl posted:Two months ago I would have said Armie Hammer was the worst casting for that film. It made 100 million in the US, and an additional 250 million in the rest of the world.
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Cafe Barbarian posted:Rush Hour 2 is such a great, breezy, entertaining movie. It's weird that a Ratner film could be so good. Was Rush Hour 2 the one where Chris Tucker says that all Asians look alike? Because that was very and a horrible stain on what is otherwise a fun movie. edit: I haven't seen either of those movies in a long time so I feel like both of them probably have not great things related to race going on because Brett Ratner. CPL593H fucked around with this message at 00:22 on May 13, 2021 |
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May 13, 2021 00:16
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The only thing I remember about Rush Hour 2 is one of the bloopers where Chris Tucker goes "drat, he's not going to be in Rush Hour 3" in response to a dude falling to his death.
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Roth posted:The only thing I remember about Rush Hour 2 is one of the bloopers where Chris Tucker goes "drat, he's not going to be in Rush Hour 3" in response to a dude falling to his death. It's really terrible and even when I was a teenage dipshit I thought this was a lot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cif2ol6hEsI
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Doesn't Jackie Chan also say the n-word in one of them?
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Roth posted:Doesn't Jackie Chan also say the n-word in one of them? I can't remember but probably. I think they did some "cute" culture clash scene where he was trying to talk like Chris Tucker. I haven't seen those movies in a really long time. CPL593H fucked around with this message at 00:38 on May 13, 2021 |
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May 13, 2021 00:35
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Roth posted:Doesn't Jackie Chan also say the n-word in one of them? The first one, but it's fine. It's him having no idea what the word means and copying Tucker when he's being friendly. Tucker says "What's up my n------" to a guy and then they do a handshake half hug thing and later when Tucker leaves Chan alone with a group of Black men he repeats the phrase, and everyone gets upset. I don't think the joke would get written today, but it's not bad.
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May 13, 2021 00:38
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Skwirl posted:The first one, but it's fine. It's him having no idea what the word means and copying Tucker when he's being friendly. Slightly more than a decade ago there was a movie where an A-list Hollywood actor did blackface as well as the other A-list actor who directed the film doing something extremely ableist and the former was even nominated for an Academy Award. The Academy rarely recognizes comedy performances and that was the loving one they went with.
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May 13, 2021 00:44
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What an extremely roundabout way to describe something.
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CPL593H posted:Slightly more than a decade ago there was a movie where an A-list Hollywood actor did blackface as well as the other A-list actor who directed the film doing something extremely ableist and the former was even nominated for an Academy Award. The Academy rarely recognizes comedy performances and that was the loving one they went with. Granted I’m white as hell, but this feels real close to saying Martin Scorsese approves of Jordan Belfort’s actions.
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May 13, 2021 01:56
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CPL593H posted:Slightly more than a decade ago there was a movie where an A-list Hollywood actor did blackface as well as the other A-list actor who directed the film doing something extremely ableist and the former was even nominated for an Academy Award. The Academy rarely recognizes comedy performances and that was the loving one they went with. I kind of get the RDJ bit because he's playing a character that's so inept and egotistical that he doesn't get why what he's doing is wrong, and other characters call him out repeatedly for it. I'm more uncomfortable with Tom Cruise's "greedy and aggressive jew" character, even if it was apparently a dig at Weinstein.
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May 13, 2021 02:58
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Baron von Eevl posted:I'm more uncomfortable with Tom Cruise's "greedy and aggressive jew" character, even if it was apparently a dig at Weinstein. Scott Rudin, actually. I was reminded about that when all the recent stuff about Rudin came out.
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May 13, 2021 02:59
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CPL593H posted:Slightly more than a decade ago there was a movie where an A-list Hollywood actor did blackface as well as the other A-list actor who directed the film doing something extremely ableist and the former was even nominated for an Academy Award. The Academy rarely recognizes comedy performances and that was the loving one they went with. RDJ and Ben Stiller's characters are both idiots. It's taking a piss out of actors. Method actors who go to extremes like blackface and actors who want to be taken seriously and win awards by performing ableism are not shown positively. So I think there is a nuance there.
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Tropic Thunder is really one of the trickiest films when it comes to this poo poo. There's so many layers of irony and having it both ways going on that it's almost brilliant in its deliberate offensiveness. I dunno, it's absolutely one that defies simple pass/fail categorization.
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Tropic Thunder uses blackface to critique Hollywood. Egotistic actors, studios that will hire a white/straight/cis actor to portray poc/gay/trans characters and then say the actor is so brave for doing it, etc. But the fact that it uses blackface to critique an absurd and racist institution does not excuse it from criticism for balckface. People can absolutely have valid objections to how Tropic Thunder uses blackface. But to just say "it has blackface, therefore it is in the same category of bad as Amos and Andy" is not good criticism.
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I get the joke. But when you have black people telling you personally and see black people in media saying it's bad I'm going to go ahead and say my lily white rear end doesn't get to decide it's okay. Jokes can be bad jokes. And I will outright say I thought the movie was hilarious when it came out. But I was also in my early 20s and at the very least it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The Oscars are also so white that it's been controversial in recent years. So imagine being a black actor that year and having your performance overlooked because they had a slot for someone doing blackface. At the very least the whole thing is a bad look. That said if anyone here is black and doesn't think I should be offended on your behalf I will gladly take a seat.
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Zoolander is better than Tropic Thunder because TT has, like, themes and character arcs and things. It's basically a real movie, whereas Zoolander commits fully to being a series of somewhat-related dumb skits.
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Kazzah posted:Zoolander is better than Tropic Thunder because TT has, like, themes and character arcs and things. It's basically a real movie, whereas Zoolander commits fully to being a series of somewhat-related dumb skits. Thats exactly why I would say Tropic Thunder is a better movie.
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So much from Tropic Thunder pops in my head at random points during the week it’s insane. “Pop an rear end open!” “Mmm more beeeeans!” “I’m the dude playin the dude disguised as another dude!” “Here we go again...again...”
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I should also say that I don't think anyone is a horrible monster if they like movies with problematic elements. But I think it's okay for people to be like "No, this is not okay.". I'm sure every single one of us likes some problematic movies and I don't exclude myself. But in my case I feel like Tropic Thunder might be going too far.
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CPL593H posted:I should also say that I don't think anyone is a horrible monster if they like movies with problematic elements. But I think it's okay for people to be like "No, this is not okay.". I'm sure every single one of us likes some problematic movies and I don't exclude myself. But in my case I feel like Tropic Thunder might be going too far. That's absolutely fair. And sorta my attitude as well but we all draw our own lines.
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TrixRabbi posted:Tropic Thunder is really one of the trickiest films when it comes to this poo poo. There's so many layers of irony and having it both ways going on that it's almost brilliant in its deliberate offensiveness. I dunno, it's absolutely one that defies simple pass/fail categorization. Speaking of older movies that defy pass/fail on this stuff, I watched Big Trouble in Little China and while I think its undermining of Russel as a hero and its love for Hong Kong action make it transcend what at first seems like pretty icky stuff, having not one but two setpieces set around sex work and trafficking of Asian women is indefensible in 2021.
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Laying on the couch, minding my own business, watching the new (final) season of Castlevania on Netflix, and I was stung on my mid right flank by a tiny bark scorpion that somehow made it's way indoors. Big welt where the stinger went in, followed by a strong numb pain around it. Gotta let the venom run it's course, but gently caress if this isn't unpleasant. Been probably 15 years since this happened to me last. I'm not even gonna get invited to Mortal Kombat afterwards. This stinks.
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Fellas, fellas, please! Cogent, reasonable arguments without resorting to hyperbole and ad hominem attacks, and respectfully acknowledging the other side's views without agreeing with them is not how it's done! This is the Internet! I can't believe nobody even mentioned Hitler.
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Paul Walter Hauser is right. But it also goes both ways, like Disney and their Girlboss pandering leading people to elevate mediocre poo poo because it expressed politics you personally agree with. I get it, but you're fooling yourself if you don't think a lot of current criticism wasn't done with one eye on the reviewer thinking how they'll be perceived for liking/disliking something. Are we really going to pretend that we don't see it when someone mentions a piece of Art and someone else instantly wants to remind them of some *problematic* part of it? Personally I think it's a problem that be best avoided by ignoring social media (which you also can't do because too many writers rely on it). It's an age where anything can be clipped, taken out of context and misconstrued to the wrong crowd.
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therattle posted:Fellas, fellas, please! Cogent, reasonable arguments without resorting to hyperbole and ad hominem attacks, and respectfully acknowledging the other side's views without agreeing with them is not how it's done! This is the Internet! I can't believe nobody even mentioned Hitler. I sent a scorpion after Gonz, that's how you do it right, right?
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Grendels Dad posted:I sent a scorpion after Gonz, that's how you do it right, right? That's more like it. Or something foul. Or at least threaten to do it. It helps if you have an uncle or cousin who was/is in the special forces and can help you beat up your opponent.
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therattle posted:Fellas, fellas, please! Cogent, reasonable arguments without resorting to hyperbole and ad hominem attacks, and respectfully acknowledging the other side's views without agreeing with them is not how it's done! This is the Internet! I can't believe nobody even mentioned Hitler. Take that back or my Navy SEAL uncle will garrote you in the middle of the night you [insert racial slur].
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Kazzah posted:Zoolander is better than Tropic Thunder because TT has, like, themes and character arcs and things. It's basically a real movie, whereas Zoolander commits fully to being a series of somewhat-related dumb skits. Comedies should be actual movies, not a series of wacky improv scenes that barely connect. Unless that's like, literally the idea, like Monty Python and The Meaning of Life. Gonz posted:Laying on the couch, minding my own business, watching the new (final) season of Castlevania on Netflix, and I was stung on my mid right flank by a tiny bark scorpion that somehow made it's way indoors. Use a snakebite tourniquet!
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therattle posted:Fellas, fellas, please! Cogent, reasonable arguments without resorting to hyperbole and ad hominem attacks, and respectfully acknowledging the other side's views without agreeing with them is not how it's done! This is the Internet! I can't believe nobody even mentioned Hitler. Edit: wow, thank you for the gold and karma, gentle-sirs and ladypeople! I tip my hat to you all, oh ho ho!
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