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Yeah it's bad. The rogue one is obviously the best, but I'm so sick of playing rogue decks at this point. The Azorius control one is actually surprisingly good. By the way, maybe it's just the matching algorithm, but has anyone else noticed that rogue decks seem to be making a big comeback in Historic? Just in the last couple of days it seems like I'm running into them all the time on the ladder. MeinPanzer fucked around with this message at 13:16 on May 14, 2021 |
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MeinPanzer posted:Yeah it's bad. The rogue one is obviously the best, but I'm so sick of playing rogue decks at this point. The Azorius control one is actually surprisingly good. One of the world’s best faeries player from Lorwyn Standard over a decade ago, a semi-active player from Japan, has recently been posting a lot about how Historic Rogues with Thoughtseize and Memory Lapse is the closest we’re ever gonna get to playing Faeries again and people really vibe with that take.
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May 14, 2021 13:18
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I'm in plat right now and 80% of my historic matches seem to be against tainted pact combo
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May 14, 2021 13:54
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Ya I see it every other game now too. I think we’re gonna see it take more and more of the control meta share tbh. It seems like whatever % you lose in playing singleton and having a weaker land base you make up in being able to win with the combo.
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May 14, 2021 14:50
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Literally everyone is running a full sweeper/removal package on the play queue right now. Super fun.
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May 14, 2021 15:33
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yesterday I played 3 matches in a row against niv mizzet piles in the trad historic queue (which I cleaned up handily with mono black aggro once I sided into necromentia). I'm in gold because I haven't been playing a lot of ranked constructed recently
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May 14, 2021 15:48
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i really like playing vs the pact deck personally both as aggro and control i think its really fun to worry about 1000 win conditions and what they might be holding at any point. every time i think i finally have a combo player in a corner theres always some new threat. since i started playing historic ive noticed i really struggle in control mirror matches. i either play too aggressively and get punished or too conservatively and eventually fall behind. its been hard for me to find the middle ground but its been really rewarding to try and improve. when i was primarily playing monoblack aggro i could just moonwalk up the ladder.
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May 14, 2021 16:06
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When you do a premium draft do you then have to play the matches immediately with the people in your draft pool or is it normal matchmaking like in quick drafts? With quick drafts I usually like to take a couple of days to play through my matches and i like being able to go at a leisurely pace I was just about to start another quick draft but its changed to ikoria and I dont think I want to spent gold drafting a set that's about to rotate out
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May 14, 2021 16:58
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You don't play with your draft pool. It's just like quick drafts where you have to finish your games before the event rotates out.
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May 14, 2021 17:06
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A bunch of streamers are running this Mardu Sacrifice deck in Standard and I've been playing with it and just getting my rear end destroyed by both aggro and Ultimatum. I don't get it. Maybe I'm getting unlucky but it kinda feels like it just....sucks
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May 14, 2021 17:41
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https://www.cbr.com/magic-the-gathering-arena-previews-historic-anthology-v-cards/ Dragonstorm, Grisly Salvage, Jin-Gitaxias and Relic of Progenitus confirmed for Historic. Relic is a huge upgrade to Soul-Guide Lantern (especially against Rogues) so I expect it to see a lot of play. Jin-Gitaxias is a strong target to cheat into play, and Grisly Salvage is a classic reanimator target. Dragonstorm could be funny with Irencreg Feat but it's obviously a tough ask at 9 mana. On the plus side you can deal infinite damage at 2 stormcount with Terror of the Peaks + 2 Bladewing the Risens!
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May 14, 2021 17:43
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Mike N Eich posted:A bunch of streamers are running this Mardu Sacrifice deck in Standard and I've been playing with it and just getting my rear end destroyed by both aggro and Ultimatum. I don't get it. Maybe I'm getting unlucky but it kinda feels like it just....sucks If it's the one I'm thinking of, it seems like the kind of deck that looks great when it comes together but is just too unreliable to be truly good. Or, maybe put another way, it can look really good on streams if you can edit out the games where it didn't come together. Not sure if the ones you're watching are doing that or not, but the ones that I've seen the deck looks on the wrong side of the jank line.
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May 14, 2021 17:49
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3 cards left, 2 of which are almost guaranteed to be Kolagahn's Command and Elesh Norn so what will the mystery last card be, place your bets! (probably Lingering Souls)
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The sacrifice deck has put up some results. It really wants to find Bastion of Remembrance, and it's pretty hard to beat if you ever get two of them in play. There is a lot of card draw between Village Rites and Plumb but sometimes you still whiff. I think the deck will be very good if they put another Blood Artist effect in standard.
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May 14, 2021 17:53
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Irony Be My Shield posted:https://www.cbr.com/magic-the-gathering-arena-previews-historic-anthology-v-cards/ doesn't putting 3 terrors into play just kill someone?
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May 14, 2021 17:56
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Nah, Dragonstorm resolves one copy at a time rather than all at once. That would only do 15 damage. Although thinking about it you can bump that up to 21 if you go Terror -> Moritte -> Moritte.
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May 14, 2021 17:59
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Shitshow posted:Jeff Hoogland and Crokeyz both play best-of-3 and stream almost every day. Each also has a large archive of videos on YouTube. Thanks for the recommendations. I'll check them out. The first video with Crokeyz I've really liked so far. LMAO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JEeObXL-hs&t=389s PhilippAchtel fucked around with this message at 18:09 on May 14, 2021 |
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May 14, 2021 18:03
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The sacrifice deck has put up some results. It really wants to find Bastion of Remembrance, and it's pretty hard to beat if you ever get two of them in play. There is a lot of card draw between Village Rites and Plumb but sometimes you still whiff. I think the deck will be very good if they put another Blood Artist effect in standard. Yeah, it doesn't seem unplayable it's just missing a piece or two that would really make it a top tier deck. It seems to be in that weird place that non-Adventure midrange ends up in where it doesn't pack enough removal to keep from getting run over by aggro while it gets set up and doesn't have enough threats and/or ways to protect its threats from control decks.
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May 14, 2021 18:10
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Eej posted:3 cards left, 2 of which are almost guaranteed to be Kolagahn's Command and Elesh Norn so what will the mystery last card be, place your bets! Lingering Souls would be rad. Mardu Arcanist baby, just need to find another cheap white spell worth casting LOL
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May 14, 2021 18:35
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Sorry, I forgot the sweeper, removal, AND discard package players.
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May 14, 2021 18:38
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wolfman101 posted:Sorry, I forgot the sweeper, removal, AND discard package players. What deck are you playing and specifically what kind of decks are you getting matched up against? I don't entirely understand what you find objectionable about control decks loading up on sweepers and removal.
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May 14, 2021 18:42
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Irony Be My Shield posted:https://www.cbr.com/magic-the-gathering-arena-previews-historic-anthology-v-cards/ Wow Dragonstorm is a cool card to have on Arena so this makes me happy. After how low I was on the last HA, this one at least has some exciting cards to mess with (even if they end up not swing play).
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May 14, 2021 18:51
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fadam posted:What deck are you playing and specifically what kind of decks are you getting matched up against? I don't entirely understand what you find objectionable about control decks loading up on sweepers and removal. I am playing BW aggro. I don't mind facing it occasionally, but facing up against an opponent whose game plan is to prevent you from ever accomplishing anything until they get their one wincon card is extremely boring.
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wolfman101 posted:I am playing BW aggro. I don't mind facing it occasionally, but facing up against an opponent whose game plan is to prevent you from ever accomplishing anything until they get their one wincon card is extremely boring. Fair, but consider the control players who say "facing up against an opponent whose game plan is to prevent you from ever accomplishing anything because they kill you on turn 3 is extremely boring." BW seems pretty well positioned to deal with sweeper/removal heavy control decks. In standard you have access to Reidane, the new Meddling Mage and the 3/1 fake-Thoughtseize guy, and in historic you get all that plus the full discard suite and Thalia.
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Don't you have Scourge of the Skyclaves or whatever it is that just hops out of GY constantly
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So which is going to eat the ban - Pact or Oracle? Without Oracle, Pact is actually an interesting and not stupid card.
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Funso Banjo posted:So which is going to eat the ban - Pact or Oracle? Thassa’s Oracle net impact on Magic: the Gathering has been absolutely terrible and in general decking yourself to win is way, way too easy to do for them to keep printing that. Alternate win conditions should be interesting or require the game to be played in a different way. Just drawing as many cards as possible or removing your deck has never been easier.
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The only reason to ban Oracle over Pact is if you think Pact/Jace, Wielder of Secrets would be a more reasonable deck than Pact/Oracle. Pact will never see play in any context other than "I win the game by exiling my library" and if you don't want decks like that then you should just ban the card.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The only reason to ban Oracle over Pact is if you think Pact/Jace, Wielder of Secrets would be a more reasonable deck than Pact/Oracle. Pact will never see play in any context other than "I win the game by exiling my library" and if you don't want decks like that then you should just ban the card. Jace/Pact is way, way way way way way harder to do than Oracle Pact
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The only reason to ban Oracle over Pact is if you think Pact/Jace, Wielder of Secrets would be a more reasonable deck than Pact/Oracle. Pact will never see play in any context other than "I win the game by exiling my library" and if you don't want decks like that then you should just ban the card.
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How much are people anticipating Pact getting banned? If so I'll go ahead and craft a couple to fart around with the combo deck before the hammer, otherwise I think I'll pass on it.
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Bust Rodd posted:Jace/Pact is way, way way way way way harder to do than Oracle Pact
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Drafting is loving miserable. I love putting together a deck I think is actually alright and then going 0-3
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You can also have an outside chance of blowing the jace up in response.
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TipTow posted:How much are people anticipating Pact getting banned? If so I'll go ahead and craft a couple to fart around with the combo deck before the hammer, otherwise I think I'll pass on it. It's 50-50. It or Oracle is going. Now which one actually goes is the question.
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If you're interested in playing the god awful theme event for the Japanese card-styles, I can recommend this abomination: Things like creatures, planeswalkers and things that aren't interaction just Do Not Matter in this clownshoes format.
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Funso Banjo posted:It's 50-50. It or Oracle is going. Now which one actually goes is the question. Blue one-card win condition that is really cheap, instant and can really only be disrupted by counterspells and targeted discard. What a great idea. borat voice not
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Pact is kind of interesting as a tutor-esque card, Oracle seems to exist in SSG space where it only exists to promote degeneracy and perversion. Ban Oracle and let YouTube content creators go nuts making Oracle/Jace videos.
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fadam posted:Fair, but consider the control players who say "facing up against an opponent whose game plan is to prevent you from ever accomplishing anything because they kill you on turn 3 is extremely boring." Agreed. If you play an aggro deck, you have to include answers to control and sweepers, and the answer isn't posting "that's boring." Just make your deck better and accept that the meta means sometimes you have a bad match-up. If you don't like it, you can always play a different deck.
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I think the BW Shadow deck is actually pretty good. This version that took second at the last Hooglandia has a ton of cool anti-control tech: https://mtgmelee.com/Decklist/View/135899
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