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Arist posted:It's honestly kind of weird we're going to so many of the places we haven't been yet. Garlemald, Thavnair, Sharlayan, the loving moon... What's left for after this? I'm excited. Offscreen backstory locations we'll likely never go to. Aerslaent (the island the ancient Limsans sailed from). Corvos (country conquered by Garlemald, is where the swordmaster who taught Zenos came from), Nagxia (country neighboring Yanxia/Doma, was conquered by Garlemald, is currently occupied by the IVth Legion), the Hellsguard villages up in the mountains, the islands to the southeast of Eorzea where Plainsfolk Lalafell come from. There is a decent chance we'll go to Lea Monde, the capital of Dalmasca and the headquarters of the IVth Legion, but I can't see us going anywhere else in Aldenard. After 6.0, new expansions will likely take us to 1. the other two landmasses on the Source, Mercadyia and the New World, 2. other shards, or 3. different time periods on the Source, such as past eras or 5.0 the original timeline. I suppose they could do the Mists of Pandaria trick where "oh, we found a brand new continent nobody had ever heard about before because it was shrouded in invisibility magic", but they can only pull that trick once. It's rather silly how in WoW, new never before heard of large landmasses are pulled out of thin air and the post-Metzen writers try to sell it as "no no, they were ALWAYS there in lore!". I'd like to think that Banri Oda and Yoshida take their story more seriously than that. As for getting to the moon, remember Hraesvelgr flew to space to rescue us in the Omega storyline, and it appears we will be acquainted with three members of the First Brood in Endwalker. Any of them could take us to the moon.
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Yes but they could make a Black Omen ship to take us to the moon and make Lavos be a thing and… Listen I just really really want a chrono trigger tie-in okay
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May 15, 2021 19:50
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Moofia Boss Val posted:Offscreen backstory locations we'll likely never go to. Aerslaent (the island the ancient Limsans sailed from). Corvos (country conquered by Garlemald, is where the swordmaster who taught Zenos came from), Nagxia (country neighboring Yanxia/Doma, was conquered by Garlemald, is currently occupied by the IVth Legion), the Hellsguard villages up in the mountains, the islands to the southeast of Eorzea where Plainsfolk Lalafell come from. Other than Mists I'm struggling to think of places in WoW that were wholesale invented. Was BfA's continent made up? I don't know what the deal is with the latest expac either because this dumb anime game replaced WoW in my brain, heart and hard drive.
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May 15, 2021 19:55
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stev posted:Other than Mists I'm struggling to think of places in WoW that were wholesale invented. Was BfA's continent made up? The Broken Isles (the Legion landmass) came out of absolutely nowhere. It's smack in the middle of the ocean in between Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms. It has some highly visible stuff like a miles high world tree, and a Night Elf empire (with a huge shield covering it!) and yet we're expecting to believe that somehow, nobody ever noticed this. Before BFA, Zandalar and Kul'Tiras were said to be relatively small islands, but in the BFA expansion they're made out to be huge, Britain sized islands.
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May 15, 2021 19:58
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Cythereal posted:Random FF14 thought: after watching the trailer again, and the twins' dad's comments about surviving an apocalypse... I'm guessing Sharlayan's big secret is that they're a direct descendant of the Allagan Empire, determined to preserve their knowledge and secrets through the ages - and those of all ages since. There's been some implications Sharlayan has links to Amaurot (like both being heavily Greek-flavored) so they're basically acting in the same role of saving themselves while everything around them burns
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May 15, 2021 20:01
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Sharlayan is also, probably, staying out of conflicts not as a matter of self-preservation but likely staying out of conflicts because they have the unquestionably best mages and the most money so they don’t really need to stay neutral if they were the conquering type. Instead they just wanna write books and make maps or whatever. Also they’re remote enough that nobody gives a poo poo about them.
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May 15, 2021 20:03
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I would not be surprised if (collectively in their knowledge resources) Sharlayan already knew about the sundering and the shards, the true nature of Hydaelyn and Zodiark, Amaurot and the Ancients, all well before 1.0, and have had a plan to defy everything for the sake of isolationist persistence.
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May 15, 2021 20:11
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They want to send their society into space to look at new poo poo like a fantasy Star Trek
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May 15, 2021 20:14
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Moofia Boss Val posted:The Broken Isles (the Legion landmass) came out of absolutely nowhere. It's smack in the middle of the ocean in between Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms. It has some highly visible stuff like a miles high world tree, and a Night Elf empire (with a huge shield covering it!) and yet we're expecting to believe that somehow, nobody ever noticed this. They never appeared in WoW before, but they were in WC3 (and sort of on the WC2 map, but in the wrong place). Blizzard's very, very bad at keeping their lore straight, but this actually was them calling back to something that was supposed to be there all along.
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May 15, 2021 20:15
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Hogama posted:I would not be surprised if (collectively in their knowledge resources) Sharlayan already knew about the sundering and the shards, the true nature of Hydaelyn and Zodiark, Amaurot and the Ancients, all well before 1.0, and have had a plan to defy everything for the sake of isolationist persistence. I bet this is Labyrinthos' whole deal
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Moofia Boss Val posted:The Broken Isles (the Legion landmass) came out of absolutely nowhere. It's smack in the middle of the ocean in between Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms. It has some highly visible stuff like a miles high world tree, and a Night Elf empire (with a huge shield covering it!) and yet we're expecting to believe that somehow, nobody ever noticed this. That's like saying no one has ever noticed Australia just because you've never been there yourself and it hasn't been in the news lately.
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May 15, 2021 20:26
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The night elfs specifically said they had no idea the broken isles existed in WC3. But it’s the tomb of sargeras I’m sure some human mages saw a writing from Medivh or something that mentions it. Orcs got there, humans could have too. A better question is “why would anyone care about it”, because there’s basically zero reason for us to gently caress with the new world (or any of those locations) at this point without a hook or a spirit of adventure.
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May 15, 2021 20:30
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the new world is full of
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May 15, 2021 20:41
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There's possibly dragons in the new world and I share Estinien's goal of mounting every member of the first brood
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May 15, 2021 20:51
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Vitamean posted:I bet this is Labyrinthos' whole deal
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May 15, 2021 21:08
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The Whalaqee are from the New World right? So obviously Blue Mage will ascend to Unlimited Job and be the mascot for 7.0
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petcarcharodon posted:There's possibly dragons in the new world and I share Estinien's goal of mounting every member of the first brood A goal shared only by the original shiva and the thirstiest of players.
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May 15, 2021 22:09
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After the trailer I would not be shocked if Hydaelyn was actually camping out under Sharlayan like Zodiark is stuck in the moon, and they're completely terrified of what would happen if they (and her) get exposed and then wrecked in a calamity. The twins' dad may seem like - or just be - an rear end in a top hat, but the writers tend to give convincing character motivations even if you disagree with their actions. And their actions make more sense if they're secretly a load-bearing pillar for all life on the planet. e: Also betting that either the Scions' digging too far or a direct threat to the city is going to prompt Hydaelyn to spit out a copy of Venat, like Zodiark created Elidibus, and that's why she's on the key art. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 22:40 on May 15, 2021 |
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May 15, 2021 22:34
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Can't wait till the twins overthrow poo poo dad and make Krile Queen of the Nerds in Sharlayan
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May 15, 2021 22:46
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Its Rinaldo posted:Can't wait till the twins overthrow poo poo dad and make Ahem.
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I suspect Sharlayan may be the legacy of Amaurot or the summoners of Hydie, but lack the full picture because they don't have any shard-hoppers so they don't realize how the calamities are linked and may just treat the cycles of destruction and rebirth of civilization as a natural (or Ascian-influenced) event that isn't necessarily indicative of anything.
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May 15, 2021 23:03
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Chillgamesh posted:The only problem I see with this is passive fairy healing, but they might just add some ability to SCH where you just pick a party member and they permanently get a HoT equivalent to the fairy heal or something and you can switch the target on a short cooldown. I have a white mage and a scholar. When I want to heal and have a good time in a non-extreme raid, I constantly put my fairy where it can hit the most players. It is basically a HOT by itself since it's healing the lowest life so that does doesn't die from a fart AE the spa refuse to step out of. I played pet classes across several mmogs and enjoy the challenge of taking advantage of the benefits while mitigating the negatives. But as summoner, the super summons still get me. Reading a guide, it's obvious what I should be doing but actually performing it is something else.
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Pyronic posted:Ahem. No way Tataru wants to rule an island of Alphinauds
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Its Rinaldo posted:No way Tataru wants to rule an island of Alphinauds Besides, can you imagine the poo poo she could make happen with the wealth and resources of Sharlayan at her disposal? Let her be Krile's chief admin and the two can get poo poo done.
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May 15, 2021 23:34
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So what are y'all thinking about the Nier post-quests? It's been 5 weeks so far and I still have no idea where this is going. It's two weeks with each dwarf and Tuesday, we should be able to pick up the second quest for dwarf #3. I think there were only three dwarves shown as future quest givers? This one should be the last?
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Mordiceius posted:So what are y'all thinking about the Nier post-quests? It's been 5 weeks so far and I still have no idea where this is going. It's two weeks with each dwarf and Tuesday, we should be able to pick up the second quest for dwarf #3. I think there were only three dwarves shown as future quest givers? This one should be the last? its filled in a few of the blanks I was wondering about, and i'm really interested to see where its going. It mentions that 2b and 9s found the seed linked to the First, realized it was making evil YorHa copies and hacked some to send their own consciousness over to intervene
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May 16, 2021 00:28
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The dwarves will deal with it. Just keep doing favors for them in the meantime.
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Vitamean posted:The dwarves will deal with it. Just keep doing favors for them in the meantime.
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So the writing team, though not strictly beholden to it, has demonstrated a willingness before to mine old content and concepts. Given that we're finally dealing with Sharlayan society proper and exploring/killing the Twelve, think there's any chance they'll touch on this old nugget from 1.0? Of Archons and Muses posted:Tyago Moui: Caught wind of all this Archon talk yet? Some folk make them for the very incarnations of the Twelve, come to Eorzea. Old prophecies and wives' tales say they descend from their heavenly seat whenever disaster threatens Eorzea, see. Motley Egg posted:As thanks for aiding Jihli Aliapoh in the retrieval of several stolen eggs, the original Egg Dreamer has gifted you with an eggspertly crafted automaton featuring Radcliffe the Red, famed first Archon of the Sixth Umbral Era.  Anyway, the "clan of wicked sorcerers" in the tale sounds a bit like the Ascians. And "something happened" that made him work with them, but we don't know how the story ends. It's a curious tidbit for a possibly abandoned plot thread, anyway. Hogama fucked around with this message at 01:55 on May 16, 2021 |
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Oh man thank you for posting that. I was just speculating with a friend that the deep dark secret of Sharlayan is that they (or rather their founders and leadership) are and always have been aligned with the Ascians. A sort of Ascian sanctioned repository of knowledge, allowed to survive each calamity (perhaps by sheltering underground in Labyrinthos) as long as they stayed out of the affairs of the world. And all Sharlayans who've opposed the Ascians have been offshoots like the Archons both present and historical. That thing you posted sounds to me like the past group of Archons eventually learned the truth and gave up their fight in order to survive. I do not have nearly enough grounding in this game's lore and history to know if this buckwild theory is plausible or even possible. If I'm an ignorant dumbass with no clue what he's talking about please tell me, but this is the crazy stuff that popped into my sleep deprived brain today and it felt like it made sense.
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Spuckuk posted:Absolutely lost my mind when Estinien appeared to gently caress everyone up in the trailer. They have a way of turning me into a wide eyed kid again with these. Estinien's been so fun for the path of the Dragoon. Originally they fought alongside dragons. Then the war started and they were trained to fight dragons. Then he gets possessed/corrupted by a dragon, and now he's fighting alongside dragons again. What I'm saying is give Dragoons a buddy in EW.
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Bruceski posted:Estinien's been so fun for the path of the Dragoon. Originally they fought alongside dragons. Then the war started and they were trained to fight dragons. Then he gets possessed/corrupted by a dragon, and now he's fighting alongside dragons again. They even have a babby dragon in the Dragoon story line that could hang out with the WoL and murder stuff with.
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I think the Sharlayans are just the sort of elitist douchebags who look at the calamities going on and think "Yeah, well we're better than them. As long as we survive, nothing of value will be lost  "
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One detail I noticed in the trailer is that the weird flying monsters who Estinien is fighting seem to be in Thavnair. So presumably, based on Urianger's dialogue, Thavnair will be suspiciously untouched by the crisis, and we'll go there for that reason, before things really go to hell
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cheetah7071 posted:One detail I noticed in the traler is that the weird flying monsters who Estinien is fighting seem to be in Thavnair. So presumably, based on Urianger's dialogue, Thavnair will be suspiciously untouched by the crisis, and we'll go there for that reason, before things really go to hell Thavnair is very explicitly touched by the crisis, actually. We've seen that it's got one of the towers, and it's the one that we're going inside. If anything it's Sharlayan that's suspiciously untouched. EDIT: These avatars alongside the red titles are getting better.
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Cleretic posted:Thavnair is very explicitly touched by the crisis, actually. We've seen that it's got one of the towers, and it's the one that we're going inside. The trailer explicitly has Uri say "The respite [From the End of Days] this land has had was not to last" or some poo poo. It'll be fine when we get there then go to poo poo quickly, probably leading us to flee to Old Nerd Land because they're untouched and have a lot of knowledge so maybe we can use that to save the world. At the start of EW they're both untouched at least as the trailer is concerned.
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I think Cheetah means we don't go to Thavnair because it's under attack, we go there beforehand and experience the attack as it happens. Urianger and Thancred are talking in Radz-at-Han, seemingly before everything has gone to poo poo.
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Regy Rusty posted:I think Cheetah means we don't go to Thavnair because it's under attack, we go there beforehand and experience the attack as it happens. Urianger and Thancred are talking in Radz-at-Han, seemingly before everything has gone to poo poo. Yeah. The trailers tend to be full of moderately misleading lines, but if these ones aren't misleading, then Urianger is saying that Thavnair was, up to that point, not yet under attack. But I noticed that the scene with Estinien was in Thavnair, giving us an idea of what the story arc of that zone might be.
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I figure something *happens* which makes the end days become all that much more real to Uri and this comment on "this land" is towards the entire world itself, although less stereotypically poetic given how often everyone uses star to refer to the planet. I think it is most likely referring to Thav specifically but it also works as a general comment given that ShB was all about saving the First to save the Source, and how despite all that struggle and such it doesn't seem like we've bought much time.
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Argas posted:I figure something *happens* which makes the end days become all that much more real to Uri and this comment on "this land" is towards the entire world itself, although less stereotypically poetic given how often everyone uses star to refer to the planet. I think it is most likely referring to Thav specifically but it also works as a general comment given that ShB was all about saving the First to save the Source, and how despite all that struggle and such it doesn't seem like we've bought much time.
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