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Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado


cock hero flux posted:

i'm pretty sure a preview image showed him playing a slot machine(or pachinko maybe) which is somehow even dumber than not even trying to fix things at all

Yep, that appears to be what was happening during the episode, there was a montage of scenes of Kakihana continuing to make astonishingly bad decisions during the [spoiler[(last?)[/spoiler] Homo Sapiens radio show.

And that previews… RIP Kakihana. Though I have to say, after the last episode if I was putting money on who would be the first to bite it he was the top the list.


Wark Say posted:

Fine. But if anybody else comes in with a funnier thread title, bam, that's out.

I'm not sure it's funny per se, but it is extremely on point…

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Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008

cock hero flux posted:

i'm pretty sure a preview image showed him playing a slot machine(or pachinko maybe) which is somehow even dumber than not even trying to fix things at all

I think he is trying to fix things. Borrow more money, go gambling with it hoping to make up enough to pay off his debts. What could go wrong?

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

Qwertycoatl posted:

I think he is trying to fix things. Borrow more money, go gambling with it hoping to make up enough to pay off his debts. What could go wrong?

I mean, that isn't too far removed from pinning your hopes on lottery tickets to buy up idol band CDs, so he's not the only one.

utamaru
Mar 8, 2008

BRAP BRAP BRAP BRAP
what do we make of this? i guess he might just have a long face and Odokawa's hallucinations somewhat mirror people's actualy appearance at least to some degree.

JackGeneric
Apr 23, 2008

[Witty observation]

utamaru posted:

what do we make of this? i guess he might just have a long face and Odokawa's hallucinations somewhat mirror people's actualy appearance at least to some degree.



That's how I'm reading it. Similar to how someone in an earlier episode said that Kakihana was (like) a monkey; for the speaker, it was a metaphor, but for Odokawa it's more literal.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Teriyaki Koinku posted:

I mean, that isn't too far removed from pinning your hopes on lottery tickets to buy up idol band CDs, so he's not the only one.

on the other hand imai is almost half kakihana's age and is still smart enough to not borrow money from the yakuza

if his lottery tickets don't pan out he can just go "darn, better luck next paycheck" and not have to worry about some men stopping by for a chat re: his kneecaps and the structural integrity thereof

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Yeah, Imai is a dorky dweeb but at least doesn't seem to be anywhere near the neighborhood as self-destructive as, say, Kakihana with his life-threateningly dumb scheme to keep up appearances for a random girl by getting moolah from the loving Yakuza, or Tanaka and Shirakawa whose lives seem like they went to the tosser before either really had a fighting chance (true, that doesn't exonerate them from all their lovely choices, but still seem like they both had a really lovely lot in life early on).

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
i'm not comfortable making any judgment calls on shirakawa's situation yet because she's almost certainly still lying her rear end off on several key points of her backstory

tanaka though had a grab bag of untreated illnesses/neuroses well before the dodo incident, he would've been headed for disaster even if odokawa hadn't driven by at that exact moment. guy left work that evening screaming at people who weren't there

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Y'know what? Fair. There's still a lot about a ton of our charas introduced that we don't know yet, so jumping the gun on this might be reckless.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD
I wonder what the whole game plan for the yakuza is. Use a low level idol to trick a poor schmuck into taking loans from them that he probably can't pay back? Seems kind of risky. They can do the whole kneecap special but they still aren't recouping their losses. Not only that, based on the conversation between manager and Shiho in the cab, Kakihana isn't the only guy she is a honey trap for. Now that I think about it, maybe that's why she and Yuki wear masks, so their marks won't recognize them as idols? Seems like there are more profitable uses of their time and resources.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Kung Food posted:

I wonder what the whole game plan for the yakuza is. Use a low level idol to trick a poor schmuck into taking loans from them that he probably can't pay back? Seems kind of risky. They can do the whole kneecap special but they still aren't recouping their losses. Not only that, based on the conversation between manager and Shiho in the cab, Kakihana isn't the only guy she is a honey trap for. Now that I think about it, maybe that's why she and Yuki wear masks, so their marks won't recognize them as idols? Seems like there are more profitable uses of their time and resources.

if shiho is catfishing old guys for yakuza kickbacks (i'm still not totally sure myself, the relation between mystery kiss and the yakuza is still fuzzy) then i don't think she or anyone above her expected kakihana to take out yakuza-backed loans to keep up the lie. all she knows is that she's taking his money, all the loansharks know is they're giving him money, and all kakihana knows is not a single goddamn thing

fits with the show's general coen brothers vibe, of a standard crime story derailed by its participants being far stupider or crazier than average

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Oxxidation posted:

if shiho is catfishing old guys for yakuza kickbacks (i'm still not totally sure myself, the relation between mystery kiss and the yakuza is still fuzzy) then i don't think she or anyone above her expected kakihana to take out yakuza-backed loans to keep up the lie. all she knows is that she's taking his money, all the loansharks know is they're giving him money, and all kakihana knows is not a single goddamn thing

fits with the show's general coen brothers vibe, of a standard crime story derailed by its participants being far stupider or crazier than average

Is he giving her money though? Right now it seems to be mostly expensive dinners.

Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado


Kung Food posted:

Is he giving her money though? Right now it seems to be mostly expensive dinners.

In the most recent episode we did see Kakihana going to a jewelry store, so presumably he is intending to buy her expensive gifts to keep up appearances.

And I can believe Oxxidation's take here, I fully believe that if Shiho is catfishing for the yakuza we don't yet have a reason to believe that they're conspiring with the loan sharks, even if they are from the same family. It's an explicit point in the story that Dobu and Yano are from the same family but are in contention with each other. It is possible that Shiho and her possible handlers actually believe the bullshit profile Kakihana put up online. Or, alternately they saw through his transparent lie and don't care and are still taking him for a ride. Quite possibly, Kakihana is being burned from both ends by separate yet similar scams.

Rudoku
Jun 15, 2003

Damn I need a drink...


Oh my God Yano has the best introduction in the show so far.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Omnicrom posted:

In the most recent episode we did see Kakihana going to a jewelry store, so presumably he is intending to buy her expensive gifts to keep up appearances.

And I can believe Oxxidation's take here, I fully believe that if Shiho is catfishing for the yakuza we don't yet have a reason to believe that they're conspiring with the loan sharks, even if they are from the same family. It's an explicit point in the story that Dobu and Yano are from the same family but are in contention with each other. It is possible that Shiho and her possible handlers actually believe the bullshit profile Kakihana put up online. Or, alternately they saw through his transparent lie and don't care and are still taking him for a ride. Quite possibly, Kakihana is being burned from both ends by separate yet similar scams.

Looks like Oxxidation was right, Shiho said she was tired of "badger games." I hadn't heard that term before so I looked it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badger_game

quote:

The badger game is an extortion scheme or confidence trick in which the victim is tricked into a compromising position to make them vulnerable to blackmail.
Seems the plan is they get Shiho (and maybe Yuki too?) to hit on older rich dudes over dating apps then manager and friend rough them up and threaten to expose that they were dating a teenager. The fumbled with Kakihana because he is neither rich, nor ashamed of dating a teenager, creep that he is. What was surprising to me is that Rui seems to be in on it too. Now I am convinced that the reason Shiho and Yuki wear masks in Mystery Kiss is to not link the group to their blackmail schemes, that or to not tip off their marks. I think it was Imai who wondered why they wore masks because not wearing them would be better for their careers.

Kung Food fucked around with this message at 20:18 on May 17, 2021

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth
poo poo is just spiraling out of control in the worstbest way.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
daimon jr is a dark horsemeerkat candidate for biggest idiot on this show, holy poo poo

e: nope, it's still kakihana by a lap

my jaw was hanging open for the entirety of yano's intro, yeahhhh

Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 21:22 on May 17, 2021

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
I can see why they waited for so long to actually introduce Yano. He'd have stolen the show.

Turns out Odokawa has real brain problems. I guess the implication is the body in the harbor is the missing girl and he's just talking to himself in his house, but it's early enough that has to be misdirection. :tinfoil:

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008
He's definitely not what I expected, at all. And I loving love it.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Sindai posted:

I can see why they waited for so long to actually introduce Yano. He'd have stolen the show.

Turns out Odokawa has real brain problems. I guess the implication is the body in the harbor is the missing girl and he's just talking to himself in his house, but it's early enough that has to be misdirection. :tinfoil:

he said "now you can't escape" after the news report after the drowned body comes on. was he talking about himself? dobu? the girl? who the hell knows

but one thing i did read elsewhere about the missing girl that she's a dead ringer for yuki of mystery kiss, except the missing girl had her ear pierced. she might have fled because she was sick of participating in MK's scams and yuki was brought in as a body double (hence why imai pointed out how her dancing had gotten worse recently), which means kuroda has tasked one of his subordinates (dobu) with with finding her and another (yano) with handling the sudden gap in MK's roster. i don't think she'd have gotten the cement-shoes treatment if a yakuza bigwig like kuroda was taking such pains to simultaneously find her and keep her disappearance a secret

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

they're both black cats yes, but the idol we know has several visual aspects different from the missing girl

sirtommygunn
Mar 7, 2013



I'm really loving this anime.

Ralepozozaxe
Sep 6, 2010

A Veritable Smorgasbord!
Speculation: Kakihana heard what that one yakuza was saying at that bathhouse, and the yakuza actually did notice he heard. That's why they are targeting him specifically, he heard too much and they need to find out what he knows.

Ralepozozaxe fucked around with this message at 00:02 on May 18, 2021

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Quick shop about all I could think about it

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Oh, Yano. You beautiful rear end in a top hat you. :allears:

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
realized that when yano has kakihana tied up and backed into a corner, his background music becomes a trap beat

Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado


Sindai posted:

I can see why they waited for so long to actually introduce Yano. He'd have stolen the show.

Turns out Odokawa has real brain problems. I guess the implication is the body in the harbor is the missing girl and he's just talking to himself in his house, but it's early enough that has to be misdirection. :tinfoil:

To the first point, Yano has still absolutely stolen the show.

The second point, this episode leans really far into making it explicit that Odokawa is disassociating and seeing everyone as animals. Or at least, that his perception isn't the same as everyone else in the world.

To the third point, I notice two things: firstly, that body appears to be the same body we saw in the first shot of the series. Secondly, I'd weigh good odds that the body of the river is a misdirect and not the missing girl, but on the other hand it still could be. Considering we are way deep into noir territory it is entirely within the themes and styles of the genre for the missing girl to just be dead and that the hope for her survival was inherently futile, gone before it ever began.

And yet, there is still whatever is in that room in Odokawa's house, and moreover the fact remains that Odokawa apparently did drive the missing girl somewhere right before she disappeared. There is the possibility the person in the room is just a cat or something, but that still doesn't explain what happened to the girl. And Odokawa could be talking to himself in those scenes, in the first episode when he talks about being allowed to leave he could be, in a very weird and roundabout way, talking to himself about how he still is a choice and now in this episode when he talks about there being no escape it could be because he's starting to realize he's probably not getting out of this in one piece. Alternately, he could be hallucinating and thinks that the girl is there of her own volition but it actually is just a cat or something and he's still weirdly disassociating. Or maybe it'll take a really bizarre dark twist and it will turn out that the body of the river is the girl and Odokawa killed her and that's why he possibly had a dream about her to start the show.

And bring up another point, did Odokawa kill the Daimon dogs' parents? He says they were killed by a taxi driver and that shot of the ambulance when Daimon the younger is explaining this is the same we've seen in Odokawa's flashbacks, right?

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

That was an incredibly memorable villain introduction. Wow. Wonder what's up with Yano to make him rap everything.

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

he's not as good as the boys from hypmic

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

KidDynamite posted:

That was an incredibly memorable villain introduction. Wow. Wonder what's up with Yano to make him rap everything.

the only thing sick about yano is his flow

Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?
Odokawa's legit become one of my favorite anime characters.

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth
Full version of last episode's ending song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56EJO0sRHzk

Talorat
Sep 18, 2007

Hahaha! Aw come on, I can't tell you everything right away! That would make for a boring story, don't you think?

KidDynamite posted:

That was an incredibly memorable villain introduction. Wow. Wonder what's up with Yano to make him rap everything.

I love that they made a convincing effort to make the subtitles rhyme too

Missing girl speculation: A point towards the "Yuki and the missing girl were swapped at some point" theory is that their manager was making a point of not letting the two girls be in the same taxi together, it's possible that they've never actually seen each other without their masks on since the switch, although you'd think the calico girl would notice if her costar got swapped out with someone else.

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth

Talorat posted:

Missing girl speculation: A point towards the "Yuki and the missing girl were swapped at some point" theory is that their manager was making a point of not letting the two girls be in the same taxi together, it's possible that they've never actually seen each other without their masks on since the switch, although you'd think the calico girl would notice if her costar got swapped out with someone else.
Not sure if speculation needs spoiler tags, but ok in the last episode she said "I don't like her. I liked things better before.", so I think she's aware of the swap, but doesn't get along with new girl.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

no, theres no reason to spoiler tag speculation or events in episodes everyone has already seen

cave emperor
Sep 1, 2016

Oxxidation posted:

the only thing sick about yano is his flow

yano's va is simply called METEOR, so im thinking he's an actual rapper maybe? japanese wikipedia doesn't have a page on him though, and this seems to be his first and only anime credit

cropoval
Feb 17, 2020

An immense shout out to the translator of this show for pulling off keeping most of Yano's lines rhyming. What an intro. Also: I've never seen a scene more relatable than Odokawa getting a random foot cramp in bed.

This is probably an unlikely theory, but my own first thought when Odokawa told the door (and thus presumably the girl, although maybe not literally) "you can't escape now" was that the body is going to be someone linked to the badger games that Mystery Kiss does, and the missing girl killed her or was involved in her death trying to get away, which is why she fled into hiding in the first place. On the other hand, this show is carefully planned enough that we'd probably have gotten an indication that someone else related to the story is missing by now if that were the case. I very much think the "Yuki is a replacement for the missing girl" theory is true, though, especially with Shiho saying she liked things better before Yuki was there.

Doc V
Mar 20, 2010

cave emperor posted:

yano's va is simply called METEOR, so im thinking he's an actual rapper maybe? japanese wikipedia doesn't have a page on him though, and this seems to be his first and only anime credit

I googled him and yep, he is: https://twitter.com/METEORFUNKARATT

Apparently he and PUNPEE go a long way back, which probably explains how they found him for the role.

LostRook
Jun 7, 2013
Help, I'm stuck on episode 5. Watching a date where one person spends the entire thing on the phone is killing me.

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Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

LostRook posted:

Help, I'm stuck on episode 5. Watching a date where one person spends the entire thing on the phone is killing me.

My favorite part of this is how fast Shiho's interest vanished anytime Kakihana downplayed how rich he is.

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