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I thought that one of the things that threw doubt on his whole "wealthy financier" story was that after he died some journalists asked around and almost no one on wall street had ever done any trades with him. They said you'd expect a guy who had the kind of money that he did would have accounts at all the major trading desks. The implication was that he was running a massive blackmail operation.
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Mr. Apollo posted:I thought that one of the things that threw doubt on his whole "wealthy financier" story was that after he died some journalists asked around and almost no one on wall street had ever done any trades with him. They said you'd expect a guy who had the kind of money that he did would have accounts at all the major trading desks. The implication was that he was running a massive blackmail operation. Wikipedia at least seems to indicate that the 'trading' he did was pretty early on until like 83 or something. After that it's largely 'consulting' and such, intentionally vague.
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DrVenkman posted:Wikipedia at least seems to indicate that the 'trading' he did was pretty early on until like 83 or something. After that it's largely 'consulting' and such, intentionally vague. A big part of the problem is he claimed he only allowed people of a certain net worth into that fund and back then there were only a handful of people that rich. And like Mr. Apollo said nobody had ever heard of him and for him to get as rich as he did that would've been impossible.
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SomethingAwful's always been the guy at the bar pontificating about how the world really works, just with CIA Ops instead of the Cowboys having a lovely season and podcasts instead of talk radio. Obviously Epstein's a CIA asset, how else do rich people share favors with people they like, unless, of course, it's Remember when this thread was convinced Ronan Farrow was about to end Biden's campaign because a NYT's writer wrote a pissy piece about how Farrow's sloppy? Literally the only reason they'd do that is to protect their liberal darling! And then... turns out, nope, there was no grand conspiracy, but by then the bar had moved on to the latest celebrity gossip to pontificate on.
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Precambrian posted:SomethingAwful's always been the guy at the bar pontificating about how the world really works, just with CIA Ops instead of the Cowboys having a lovely season and podcasts instead of talk radio. Obviously Epstein's a CIA asset, how else do rich people share favors with people they like, unless, of course, it's yeah man totally
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Marlows posted:This thread is indistinguishable from Q-Anon. Honestly you're not all that far off the mark. I don't know if it's still a thing but people here used to take blind item gossip sites (themselves riddled with Q theorists) as gospel truth.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Honestly you're not all that far off the mark. I don't know if it's still a thing but people here used to take blind item gossip sites (themselves riddled with Q theorists) as gospel truth. No they didn't. Anything from CDAN has come with the caveat that CDAN is largely nuts now. If a couple of posters minor speculations (perfectly normal in conversation by the way) reads as some Q adjacent conspiracy poo poo then you need your loving heads checked.
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That's a very badly done pull quote from the second paragraph, because it leaves out that the guest is Dylan Farrow, in case someone skimmed past that without reading the article.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Honestly you're not all that far off the mark. I don't know if it's still a thing but people here used to take blind item gossip sites (themselves riddled with Q theorists) as gospel truth. Is this related to the Jamie Lynn Spears stuff?
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Precambrian posted:SomethingAwful's always been the guy at the bar pontificating about how the world really works, just with CIA Ops instead of the Cowboys having a lovely season and podcasts instead of talk radio. Obviously Epstein's a CIA asset, how else do rich people share favors with people they like, unless, of course, it's The Democrats put MeToo to sleep after it turned out there were credible allegations of sexual assault against Joe Biden. They (justifiably) tried to torpedo Kavanaugh with Blaisey Ford's claims, but completely buried Tara Reade's, even though Reade had a much stronger case against Biden. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMib65Vqk4I
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Precambrian posted:SomethingAwful's always been the guy at the bar pontificating about how the world really works, just with CIA Ops instead of the Cowboys having a lovely season and podcasts instead of talk radio. Obviously Epstein's a CIA asset, how else do rich people share favors with people they like, unless, of course, it's Shoulda stayed in the drafts.
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Skwirl posted:That's a very badly done pull quote from the second paragraph, because it leaves out that the guest is Dylan Farrow, in case someone skimmed past that without reading the article. Wait, how does that conflict with the headline? Because I read the article, and I feel like her intent is still there. So what, exactly, are you saying? thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 19:43 on May 19, 2021 |
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thrawn527 posted:Wait, how does that conflict with the headline? It doesn't conflict, it's just a very weird choice to me to use the phrase "the guest" without saying who the guest is. Before I read the article I thought it was just Drew Barrymore talking with some rando about Woody Allen.
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Skwirl posted:It doesn't conflict, it's just a very weird choice to me to use the phrase "the guest" without saying who the guest is. Before I read the article I thought it was just Drew Barrymore talking with some rando about Woody Allen. I edited my post, but I still maintain that the tweet is fine. Barrymore's original point still comes through, and who the guest is doesn't change that. If anything, it enhances it.
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thrawn527 posted:I edited my post, but I still maintain that the tweet is fine. Barrymore's original point still comes through, and who the guest is doesn't change that. If anything, it enhances it. It was a criticism of the copy editing. My mom and grandad were reporters and newspaper editors, and I briefly thought I wanted to do that, so this poo poo always stands out to me.
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PeterCat posted:The Democrats put MeToo to sleep after it turned out there were credible allegations of sexual assault against Joe Biden. They (justifiably) tried to torpedo Kavanaugh with Blaisey Ford's claims, but completely buried Tara Reade's, even though Reade had a much stronger case against Biden. Did the Democrats run MeToo somehow or are they all powerful that they somehow shut down an entire movement to squash one allegation?
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Well the Republicans opposed any accountability of rapists to begin with, and US media is generally aligned with at least one of the two ruling parties. So when the dems decided sexual assault wasn't actually bad to protect their boy large media groups weren't willing to cover anything.
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PeterCat posted:The Democrats put MeToo to sleep after it turned out there were credible allegations of sexual assault against Joe Biden. They (justifiably) tried to torpedo Kavanaugh with Blaisey Ford's claims, but completely buried Tara Reade's, even though Reade had a much stronger case against Biden. Yeah, which is why the only conceivable reason for a journalist to put out a snippy piece on Ronan Farrow was because Ronan was about to bring the hammer down on Biden, specifically. That wasn't bizarre conspiratorial rambling based on nothing but fanfiction, but accepted as gospel because goons were being dumb as poo poo. It just made sense once you connected all the dots with red string on the corkboard. E. Also, the claims that MeToo are over feel a lot more like wishful thinking than anything material. Joss Whedon, Armie Hammer, and literally Bill Gates, who set off this whole discussion, have serious accusations or allegations against them. There's a sitting congressman under investigation for underage sex trafficking, with multiple accusers coming forward. "The media got bored with the topic after it turned out sexual harassment/assault cases are long, boring, and hard to litigate" is not the same as the movement being dead, no matter how many times people say it. Precambrian fucked around with this message at 20:57 on May 19, 2021 |
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Gates donated to them, they and their voters will never acknowledge his crimes
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I agree that sweeping Tara Reade's accusation under the rug was Dem's showing their true face when it came to sexual assault victims. Not a surprise, but still saddening. But it doesn't quite sit well with me that it "killed" Me Too. For me personally, Me Too was about being able to speak your truth, and highlighting how many people (with a large emphasis on women) have experienced and dealt with sexual assault. There is a world of difference between how sexual assault was talked about and/or handled before and after the "movement" gained momentum. And people are still calling out their abusers and gaining a platform. Yes, not enough people have faced real consequences for their actions, especially the powerful, but I just never felt like Me Too was exactly a "killable" thing.
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catapede posted:I agree that sweeping Tara Reade's accusation under the rug was Dem's showing their true face when it came to sexual assault victims. Not a surprise, but still saddening. But it doesn't quite sit well with me that it "killed" Me Too. For me personally, Me Too was about being able to speak your truth, and highlighting how many people (with a large emphasis on women) have experienced and dealt with sexual assault. There is a world of difference between how sexual assault was talked about and/or handled before and after the "movement" gained momentum. And people are still calling out their abusers and gaining a platform. Yes, not enough people have faced real consequences for their actions, especially the powerful, but I just never felt like Me Too was exactly a "killable" thing. Exactly I feel like claiming that the Dems even have the ability to kill MeToo is insulting to every single woman who has spoken up and doesn't understand the movement beyond some cudgel to swing at the libs or whatever
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Nothing "killed" MeToo, what the gently caress was that poster talking about? Powerful people are still getting called out, it's just not making the news anymore. Yes, I know that in the sad reality we live in it doesn't exist if people aren't talking about it. If you relied solely on the news and the media you'd think Israel wasn't an apartheid state, Joe Biden never assaulted Tara Reade, MeToo was over and that Covid was defeated and everything is normal now.
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socialsecurity posted:Did the Democrats run MeToo somehow or are they all powerful that they somehow shut down an entire movement to squash one allegation? It was co-opted by Democratic aligned celebrities who loving quashed everything they could about it when the Tara Reade allegations came out. Someone dig up the Alyssa Milano tweets from the Kavanaugh hearing and when Tara Reade spoke out.
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Precambrian posted:Yeah, which is why the only conceivable reason for a journalist to put out a snippy piece on Ronan Farrow was because Ronan was about to bring the hammer down on Biden, specifically. That wasn't bizarre conspiratorial rambling based on nothing but fanfiction, but accepted as gospel because goons were being dumb as poo poo. It just made sense once you connected all the dots with red string on the corkboard. Epstein was murdered.
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catapede posted:I agree that sweeping Tara Reade's accusation under the rug was Dem's showing their true face when it came to sexual assault victims. Not a surprise, but still saddening. But it doesn't quite sit well with me that it "killed" Me Too. For me personally, Me Too was about being able to speak your truth, and highlighting how many people (with a large emphasis on women) have experienced and dealt with sexual assault. There is a world of difference between how sexual assault was talked about and/or handled before and after the "movement" gained momentum. And people are still calling out their abusers and gaining a platform. Yes, not enough people have faced real consequences for their actions, especially the powerful, but I just never felt like Me Too was exactly a "killable" thing. This is a much better way to discuss the issue instead of the other poster calling this thread QAnon.
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MacheteZombie posted:This is a much better way to discuss the issue instead of the other poster calling this thread QAnon. I haven't ruled out that Epstein died in the basement of Comet Ping Pong during an autoerotic asphyxiation mishap.
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Dems totally killed metoo to get their demented rapist on the throne. Like you have to be blinded by *sniff* ideology not to realize it.
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It is perhaps an overstatement to say that they killed it, but they loving tried. It's not a coincidence that every dem leaning outlet and mouthpiece immediately wondered why this accusation surfaced at such a 'convenient' time, including people who described it as disqualifying before he was the nominee. It's been nauseating to see the exact same playbook rolled out for loving Cuomo.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Dems totally killed metoo to get their demented rapist on the throne. How are those allegations against Cuomo going?
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PeterCat posted:How are those allegations against Cuomo going? They're going nowhere because Biden showed him the playbook.
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PeterCat posted:How are those allegations against Cuomo going? He’s getting away with it because BlueMAGA decided he’s innocent.
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I dunno if you're joking or not, but I'm a rape victim whose rape fell in the "grey area" of boyfriend pressure. It took a decade for me to acknowledge what it was and how it hosed me up. MeToo helped open up further conversation, and absolutely helped me feel less alone and less to blame for what happened to me. And my ex-boyfriend raping me isn't the only sexual assault MeToo has helped me process. Like wtf is this *sniff* poo poo. gently caress off. State yourself plainly instead of this bullshit holier than thou poo poo that often alienates the marginalized people we pretend to care about. lovely people and celebs co-opt tons of positive, "woke" movements, but they can't take away what MeToo gave me and my friends. MeToo was something bound to fade and stop being uttered, but discourse has absolutely changed thanks to it.
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When the Democrats put a rapist up as their candidate despite everything that happened under MeToo it’s pretty clear they only ever considered it to be a weapon to use against Republicans.
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Sexual Assault and the Culture of D&D
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Marlows posted:This thread is indistinguishable from Q-Anon. I just remembered one of the Attorneys General for the US got asked by Donald Trump's vetting committee why he gave Epstein a slap on the wrist for being the King of Pedophiles and he was like "I don't know, CIA told me to"
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The Peccadillo posted:I just remembered one of the Attorneys General for the US got asked by Donald Trump's vetting committee why he gave Epstein a slap on the wrist for being the King of Pedophiles and he was like "I don't know, CIA told me to" Trump's Secretary of Labor, actually. Alexander Acosta, who had been US Attorney for the Southern District of Florida back in 2007. Acosta's exact words were “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” which is ominously vague. If that had been all I would have assumed Acosta was making up excuses for himself, but Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, seems to have been some kind of MI6/KGB/Mossad triple agent, so there's some reason to think bizarre spy stuff is connected to the Epstein matter somehow.
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Oh, the old Attorney General's dad gave him a job as a high school teacher. I got 'em mixed. Too many hosed up people to keep straight He probably wasn't lying, they would have asked the CIA, they were vetting the cabinet, and they still gave him the job Also I don't think you need to be a triple agent to be involved with the CIA, Mossad, and Mi6, they are pretty chummy The Peccadillo fucked around with this message at 06:01 on May 20, 2021 |
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catapede posted:Like wtf is this *sniff* poo poo. gently caress off. I think it is obvious that the movement has not been killed completely. It would maybe be reasonable to talk meToo being diminished or abandoned in the political sphere, which can be hugely important in many ways but doesn't determine everyone's experience.
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catapede posted:I dunno if you're joking or not, but I'm a rape victim whose rape fell in the "grey area" of boyfriend pressure. It took a decade for me to acknowledge what it was and how it hosed me up. MeToo helped open up further conversation, and absolutely helped me feel less alone and less to blame for what happened to me. And my ex-boyfriend raping me isn't the only sexual assault MeToo has helped me process. Discourse changed, but when it came time to actually go through with changing reality, the movement was smothered. It's good that it helped you, but don't get angry at me for pointing out how it was thrown under the loving bus.
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