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dokmo posted:Thanks for all the replies. Next time I go stumping I want to try some of these methods out, just to see how long it takes before I give up. Try not to burn down half the state by starting a random fire like it's a gender reveal party
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Posting on page 1066, hi to all my Norman buddies.
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So what were the Danes doing around 1066? Seem pretty quiet compared to the Norwegians
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May 19, 2021 01:47
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Circa 1000 the Danes discovered the concept of being Ligeglad roughly translated as "not giving a gently caress"
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Lawman 0 posted:So what were the Danes doing around 1066? Fighting with the Norwegians, mostly. In 1069 they sent an army to England to try to unseat William and reestablish the Danelaw, but it didn't amount to much.
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Deteriorata posted:Fighting with the Norwegians, mostly. In 1069 they sent an army to England to try to unseat William and reestablish the Danelaw, but it didn't amount to much.
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dokmo posted:Thanks for all the replies. Next time I go stumping I want to try some of these methods out, just to see how long it takes before I give up. This looks fun:  source I think the more pre-industrial of a farmer you are, the less a big stump actually bothers you. Ox can plow around it, harvest is by hand anyway.
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spoon daddy posted:Progress in deciphering Linear A : https://greekreporter.com/2021/05/13/minoan-language-linear-a-linked-to-linear-b-in-groundbreaking-new-research/ That's cool. They might never truly crack it, but could still get a good idea of what the remaining texts mean. Perhaps a clue would be making assumptions on how that linguistic change would have taken place.
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Ola posted:This looks fun: Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world.
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Ola posted:This looks fun: I pulled three mulberry saplings out of the ground with my pickup, it was better than cumming. I can only image what this felt like.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Circa 1000 the Danes discovered the concept of being Ligeglad roughly translated as "not giving a gently caress" It's not quite that dramatic, "Jeg er ligeglad" just means "I don't care/mind". More literally 'evenly happy'.
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Sri.Theo posted:It's not quite that dramatic, "Jeg er ligeglad" just means "I don't care/mind". More literally 'evenly happy'. "My king, news from the west! The army has fallen and your brother the jarl is eagle fodder." "Sigh, you know what, at this point I'm evenly happy. We have it nice here, with our rye bread and our lovely red sausages. Do we really need that rainy Saxon place? Let's just hygge around the hearth. "
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"Harald Haraldsson just invented something he calls schnapps."
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"I accidentally left some pork rinds in oven and uhm .. it's not a full meal but still pretty satisfying"
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If there were a Latin thread I'd post this there but the one linked in SAL apparently hasn't been used in years. So! Latin! I don't know much about it, but I recently read that you decline (which I understand to be like conjugations, but for nouns) proper names. Wikipedia's page on Latin Declensions lists exactly five, and they only appear to work on words with specific endings, like "-a" or "-o" or "-u". So, my understanding you take the base noun, combine it with the context in which the noun is being used, and then stick a different ending on it, with the specifics of the process being complicated, and that somehow becomes the equivalent of word ordering rules in English. 1. Is that right-ish? and, this is my real question: 2. Given that, how do you talk about "Harald Haraldsson" or non-Latin names, which might have any kind of arbitrary endings that the original language favors? Do you just arbitrarily stick an ending on the name, or were there some "Latinizing" rules specifically for names?
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It's been a long time since the one year of latin I took in college, but I recall there being one or two declensions that aren't marked by special endings in the nominative form. I don't know exactly how latin handled loanwords, though.
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MuffiTuffiWuffi posted:If there were a Latin thread I'd post this there but the one linked in SAL apparently hasn't been used in years. Gustavus Adolphus, Carolus, Adalbertus, etc are not originally latin names. You can stick them into a form that works.
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I've thought about how Semitic names like Hannibal and Hamilcar do not get endings. Most of the European languages that the Romans encountered would still have had the endings and they would correspond with the Latin ones to some extent because they had shared origins. No wonder Celtic and Germanic people were given Latin names that end in -us, that would have been something like -os and -az respectively in their languages. For Greek they did put Greek third declension names like Platôn into the Latin third declension, giving Plato. And the Greeks did the same so that Cicero would become Kikerôn. The Carthaginian names were changed a bit but didn't get an -us slapped on, so it can't have been arbitrary. But in medieval Latin I think it was customary to just add inflection endings to names.
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Is it possible that Hannibal kept his name as an honorarium of some sort?
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Grevling posted:..For Greek they did put Greek third declension names like Platôn into the Latin third declension, giving Plato. And the Greeks did the same so that Cicero would become Kikerôn.. Oooooh. That's interesting, I've often wondered why in English they were Cato, Cicero, and Plato while in French they are Caton, Cicéron and Platon respectively. (Also Frodon and Bilbon)
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New Testament Greek also has the same relationship with Hebrew names as Latin does with Phoenician names; Mary, Joseph, etc are just undeclined and loaned directly. I don't know Latin though, much less church related Latin so I can't speak to that, but from the existence of, well, "Maria" and "Jesus" in Latinized forms like the examples above I'd assume it's different? The gap between classical and church is interesting here too. What pre-Constantine liturgical stuff in Latin is there? Mister Olympus fucked around with this message at 02:56 on May 22, 2021 |
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Mister Olympus posted:The gap between classical and church is interesting here too. What pre-Constantine liturgical stuff in Latin is there? There is the Didache which would have been in Greek first, but I’d imagine the were Latin versions of it before Constantine.
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Mister Olympus posted:The gap between classical and church is interesting here too. What pre-Constantine liturgical stuff in Latin is there? I don't know of any surviving pre-Constantine liturgical work originally written in Latin, but the Didascalia Apostolorum may have been translated into Latin before Constantine. It is generally dated to the 3rd century, although it was originally written in Greek, then translated into Syriac (which is the only complete version we have now) and Latin. The oldest Latin manuscript is fragmentary and dates to the late 5th century, but it may have been translated into Latin much earlier. You can find a copy of an English translation with the Latin fragments on archive.org: https://archive.org/details/didascaliaaposto0000unse/page/n7/mode/2up. Like Bar Ran Dun mentioned, the Didache was probably also translated into Latin before Constantine, although the manuscript tradition for that work is so limited its hard to prove. We don't have any good manuscripts of the Didache in Latin, only one that is much later and not a good witness to the text. In the mid 3rd century, Cyprian of Carthage wrote (in Latin) A Treatise on the Lord's Prayer, which is not a liturgical manual, but it is a commentary on liturgy. I can't find an open access Latin text to that, but there is an English translation to it here: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/050704.htm.
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Genuinely laughing my rear end off at him being called Hannibalus.
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A few pages back i asked for popular culture stuff about Rome, and I've been working my way slowly through Masters of Rome for a bit now, having tons of fun. But, i gotta plug my boys David Drake and Eric Flint writing the funniest alternate history military sci fi set in Byzantine Rome. i brought my physical copies of the Belisarius books in my bags, and honestly enjoy them a lot. i think the ebooks are free, now, too. Pulpy, but surprisingly well researched in some aspects (or seems so, to me, the uneducated)
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packetmantis posted:Genuinely laughing my rear end off at him being called Hannibalus.
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One of Constantine’s relatives (that he killed) was called Hannibalianus
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On -us endings, why is it "Joseph" when it's the guy with the cool coat or Jesus' step-dad but "Josephus" when it's the historian? They're all named Yosef, right?
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Omnomnomnivore posted:On -us endings, why is it "Joseph" when it's the guy with the cool coat or Jesus' step-dad but "Josephus" when it's the historian? They're all named Yosef, right? Josephus was an imperial freedman so had a proper Latin name. Other Yosefs were just some guy as far as Romans were concerned.
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Hbo bbc Rome had a whole Jewish side plot going that Sadly got axed with the rest of the show
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skasion posted:Josephus was an imperial freedman so had a proper Latin name. Other Yosefs were just some guy as far as Romans were concerned. Right. For those who don't know, Josephus was a commander during the Jewish revolt, who, after surviving a mass suicide "purely by chance", was captured by the Romans and became Vespasian's slave and translator. He then convinced Vespasian that Jewish scripture pointed to Vespasian as the promised messiah, and had a divine prophecy that said that Vespasian would become Emperor of Rome. Once Vespasian did, he set Josephus free and then Josephus was granted citizenship as Titus Flavius Josephus. (He then went on to marry four times and had three surviving sons, none of whom we know much about.
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euphronius posted:Hbo bbc Rome had a whole Jewish side plot going that Sadly got axed with the rest of the show I've heard that season 3 was going to be Jesus centered with the Jewish assassin bits of season 2 serving as a buildup for the whole Messiah craze that was going on in Judea with Jesus as only one of dozens
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Should've got ten seasons with Vorenus and Pullo just mysteriously being at the centre of events and never aging.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Should've got ten seasons with Vorenus and Pullo just mysteriously being at the centre of events and never aging. It's a tragedy we lost both Deadwood and Rome before their time.
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That Deadwood movie did come out, Must've been zero advertising I didn't know until a couple weeks ago
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Yeah, I was glad to get that, but would've preferred the show continue to its intended conclusion. 
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Should've got ten seasons with Vorenus and Pullo just mysteriously being at the centre of events and never aging. Easy done. They rejoin the legions in Judea, end up on watch duty at a bunch of crucifixions, Titus pokes some Jewish bloke claiming to be King of the Jews with a spear so they can knock off early. Wander the earth until Judgement day.
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Elissimpark posted:Easy done. They rejoin the legions in Judea, end up on watch duty at a bunch of crucifixions, Titus pokes some Jewish bloke claiming to be King of the Jews with a spear so they can knock off early. Wander the earth until Judgement day. well even getting to that point probably makes them both over 100 years old
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Wasn't Pullo's girl pregnant for like four years in season 2 anyway?
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