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Senator Drinksalot posted:I guess technically he's much better at business than the people running yahoo at the time were. I'm not sure that's saying much considering that a pack of golden retrievers could have run Yahoo better than their former management.
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What's the general public opinion on Siakim now? I haven't kept up with him or the Raptors, is he no longer considered an elite piece?
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May 19, 2021 19:13
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iamsosmrt posted:What's the general public opinion on Siakim now? I haven't kept up with him or the Raptors, is he no longer considered an elite piece? I mean a disconcerting amount of the general public was making GBS threads on him after he put up 44/8/5 so people are getting frustrated with him. There are a few parts of his game which don't seem to be at the point one would've hoped them to be when he signed his contract (particularly decision-making), and he doesn't seem to solve Toronto's late game half court offence problem. I think there are worlds where it makes sense to trade him, though I do not know basketball well enough to know if you could get a return which is (1) at value and (2) lets you continue to compete through VanVleet and Anunoby's contracts.
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May 19, 2021 19:18
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Siakim is one of those players I know is supposed to be good but every time I watch him I just see some gangly pile of arms with tunnel vision trying to awkwardly drive through people or do some ugly spin move in the post. Like watching some barely coordinated 12 year old who is a foot taller than his class trying to play with them during recess.
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May 19, 2021 19:29
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I don't know Siakam will ever be as good as he was the Championship year but I think he will certainly look better than he did this year. The whole Raptors team was like a step behind all year and I think that really hurts a guy like Siakam. If you assume he's a guy who's between those poles his mini-max contract is "fine". Though he isn't really a guy I'd like to have to build around.
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May 19, 2021 19:34
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If the Raptors would have won games, I don't know if Siakam would have had the same stigma. He started out really bad but by the end of the year he was like, maybe a half-step behind last year at best. Yeah, definitely worse, but.... his beginning of the season is what people remember.  Like I said, a half a step. Looking at either good ol' stats or advanced metrics, he was very nearly the same player he has been at the end of the day. I would not be terribly worried about Siakam going forward. Honestly, there's a couple of things that I see in here that I like. His shot wasn't falling, so he tweaked his game, and notably took less shots, increased his passing, cut his usage, got to the line more often, and at enough of a clip that his scoring dipped less than a single made field goal per contest, and, while his passing went up noticeably, his turnovers did not. I would gladly have this kid on my team.
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May 19, 2021 20:18
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Veryslightlymad posted:If the Raptors would have won games, I don't know if Siakam would have had the same stigma. He started out really bad but by the end of the year he was like, maybe a half-step behind last year at best. Yeah, definitely worse, but.... his beginning of the season is what people remember. I don't disagree that he's still a good player but usually you don't want to see efficiency drop along with usage. Raptors also went from being the 2nd best defense to the 15th (RPM has his defense dropping off too) and the 6% drop in 3pt% is not a good thing. Like I said, I think he's actually better than that, the Raptors season sucked because of the move, but I do think its fair to call this a disappointing season from him. I just think there's context that makes it hopefully not a big deal.
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May 19, 2021 20:25
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Lockback posted:I don't disagree that he's still a good player but usually you don't want to see efficiency drop along with usage. Raptors also went from being the 2nd best defense to the 15th (RPM has his defense dropping off too) and the 6% drop in 3pt% is not a good thing. Like I said, I think he's actually better than that, the Raptors season sucked because of the move, but I do think its fair to call this a disappointing season from him. I just think there's context that makes it hopefully not a big deal. I feel like this point in particular should be primarily attributed to the team not having a centre for three quarters of the year.
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May 19, 2021 20:30
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Lockback posted:I don't disagree that he's still a good player but usually you don't want to see efficiency drop along with usage. Raptors also went from being the 2nd best defense to the 15th (RPM has his defense dropping off too) and the 6% drop in 3pt% is not a good thing. Like I said, I think he's actually better than that, the Raptors season sucked because of the move, but I do think its fair to call this a disappointing season from him. I just think there's context that makes it hopefully not a big deal. Don't get me wrong, it's a step back, but it's a smaller step back than people talk about. And, the way I see it.... rmg. If you knew a guy was going to shoot 6% worse from 3, but was going to play basically the exact same minutes, what would you want him to do differently? Well, you'd want him to pass more, shoot outside a little less, and when he does, to be a bit more aggressive in drawing contact and trying to get to the line. Hopefully, you take your lumps and his turnovers don't increase by a lot. Siakam did all of that and his turnovers are the same (they actually went down, but it's a fraction of a percent). The 6% drop in 3pt shooting is definitely a concern, don't get me wrong, but by all rights, his season should have been a lot worse than it wound up. To me, that screams "this is a guy who can be coached". Siakam is a winning player. And yeah, the loss of defense can be attributed to losing two of the best defensive bigs of the 2010s in the same offseason. Even if they were old and slow and one is probably more valuable now on offense.
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May 19, 2021 20:39
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As with most players who aren't as established, confidence seems to very much effect his play game to game and that confidence is very volatile. I think when the team had more dependable guys around he was better at keeping his energy/focus up while fighting through bad shooting nights, but when he was carrying all the weight his bad shooting would spiral to bad choices and even worse shooting. He needs to spend the summer in the mountains staring off into the abyss and visualizing success. That and he needs to get back to Toronto. Tampa is no place to fortify the palace of our minds. He will return as a New and Clear Sighted Man
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May 19, 2021 20:42
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I don't know what the Siakam trade market looks like but he desperately needs a lesser role and I don't know how that would work on the Raptors.
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May 19, 2021 20:44
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i watched the klay 37 point quarter today. i’m gonna be sad if he’s never the same again
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May 19, 2021 20:45
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Veryslightlymad posted:To me, that screams "this is a guy who can be coached" To me it screams "this is a guy whose eFG% this season is .050 below Andrew Wiggins"
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May 19, 2021 20:48
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Andrew Wiggins is a very talented scorer so that's not the criticism you think it is
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May 19, 2021 20:51
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EmotionlessThug posted:To me it screams "this is a guy whose eFG% this season is .050 below Andrew Wiggins" Andrew Wiggins also has a higher eFG% than Nikola Vucevic, Devin Booker, Gordon Hayward, Bradley Beal, Donovan Mitchell, Julius Randle, Jimmy Butler, DeMar DeRozan and Jayson Tatum. Like "shooting the ball effectively" is not Wiggins' problem.
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May 19, 2021 20:57
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To switch topics I was wondering what do people think is the ceiling for Tyrese Maxey?
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May 19, 2021 21:00
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Andrew Wiggins owns. I was a hater at the beginning of the year but he’s been more than solid. Everyone claiming he’s the same player he was in MIN looks like a fool tbh
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May 19, 2021 21:02
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Wiggins is definitely a different player ie bad but in blue and yellow
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May 19, 2021 21:03
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having said that, trade that fuckin Max contract and who knows what playoff Wiggins does
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May 19, 2021 21:08
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So can we all agree that the Lakers getting bounced in the play in would be pretty funny?
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May 19, 2021 21:10
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MazelTovCocktail posted:To switch topics I was wondering what do people think is the ceiling for Tyrese Maxey? dollar bin eric gordon, but not the good rockets version of eric gordon Paperback Writer posted:Andrew Wiggins owns. I was a hater at the beginning of the year but he’s been more than solid. Everyone claiming he’s the same player he was in MIN looks like a fool tbh his 3 pointer is better, but as someone who watched a lot of him in minny and a lot of him this year, the news that he's a totally different player is overblown. it's also concerning that he's having a career low season for getting shots at the rim. that said, he's a whole lot better than oubre, and he's not being broken down by dray the same way jimmy got him, so taht's a plus.
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May 19, 2021 21:20
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MazelTovCocktail posted:To switch topics I was wondering what do people think is the ceiling for Tyrese Maxey? Bench guard in the rotation
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May 19, 2021 21:23
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Declan MacManus posted:i watched the klay 37 point quarter today. i’m gonna be sad if he’s never the same again Literally changed the future of the nba . If he doesn’t do that I don’t think Durant goes to the warriors to turn them into a champion. Maybe KD goes to Brooklyn early ?
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May 19, 2021 21:24
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Metapod posted:Wiggins is definitely a different player ie bad but in blue and yellow He’s having the best season of his career by far but it’s entirely because his shooting percentages are way up on jumpers (of every kind). He’s actually shooting worse at and around the rim and he’s otherwise identical. That is to say: it’s a fluke DeimosRising fucked around with this message at 21:30 on May 19, 2021 |
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May 19, 2021 21:27
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euphronius posted:Literally changed the future of the nba . If he doesn’t do that I don’t think Durant goes to the warriors to turn them into a champion. Maybe KD goes to Brooklyn early ? lol what e: they literally won the championship that year, two seasons before KD went there Stevie Lee fucked around with this message at 21:40 on May 19, 2021 |
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May 19, 2021 21:36
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MazelTovCocktail posted:So can we all agree that the Lakers getting bounced in the play in would be pretty funny? Yes that would be hilarious but it would also be fun to see the Suns put them down in the first round.
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May 19, 2021 21:37
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The warriors have a bad offense and a great to elite (regular season) defense but no one besides draymond has anything like good individual stats . I think the old problem of individual of defensive stats being bad is showing up here and Wiggins and the others are playing great defense . That would be the first time Wiggins has played great defense in his career afaict It’s been fun watching the warriors this year. Interesting team
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May 19, 2021 21:37
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Looking at the team numbers The warriors have the 3rd best opponent fg% and lots of blocks and turnovers. They are great on defense (regular season ) Non of their other team stats stand out except their own assists which is best in the league (and a notoriously bad stat) That could be funky score keeping but you wonder what it is all for considering their offense is bad
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May 19, 2021 21:45
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Stevie Lee posted:lol what 
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May 19, 2021 21:46
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Lol i think the lakers are gonna kick the absolute poo poo out of the warriors tonight but I guess we will see
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May 19, 2021 21:58
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I think everyone rightly thinks the Lakers are way better but I think everyone also rightly understands there is an enticingly high potential for chaos in any "one game against Steph Curry" situation only a minor form of chaos though because even then the Lakers will just stomp MEM/SAS
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May 19, 2021 22:00
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If I were the lakers I think the bigger worry is their own players going cold (partially due to the warriors D as discussed above) from the floor rather than a “curry explosion”. They could weather whatever curry throws at them i think
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May 19, 2021 22:02
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DeimosRising posted:He’s having the best season of his career by far but it’s entirely because his shooting percentages are way up on jumpers (of every kind). He’s actually shooting worse at and around the rim and he’s otherwise identical. That is to say: it’s a fluke Playing with passing savant Draymond and walking gravity singularity in Curry probably helps get better perimeter shots. In the games I've watched when he's on the floor without the floor without them I'm seeing the same horrible long 2s.
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May 19, 2021 22:13
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If the lakers lose, it's because LeBron wants to punk DeMar one last time
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May 19, 2021 22:14
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euphronius posted:If I were the lakers I think the bigger worry is their own players going cold (partially due to the warriors D as discussed above) from the floor rather than a “curry explosion”. They could weather whatever curry throws at them i think Do you know where the Lakers d ranked this year?
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May 19, 2021 22:23
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uggy posted:Do you know where the Lakers d ranked this year? You can’t take any regular season lakers stats seriously
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May 19, 2021 22:28
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Dutchy posted:enticingly high potential for chaos in any "one game against Steph Curry" situation Yeah, this is what I'm banking on. Just stupid levels of half court 3s falling.
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May 19, 2021 22:37
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euphronius posted:You can’t take any regular season lakers stats seriously So they're probably better than the league's best defense despite all of their injuries? Or will they be worse with AD and LeBron?
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May 19, 2021 22:37
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Steph will go cold and the only good play in game will be spurs v grizz
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Athanatos posted:Yeah, this is what I'm banking on. Just stupid levels of half court 3s falling. 
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