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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1396...ingawful.com%2F

oh poo poo dudes its from US INTELLIGENCE that means its totes legit right???!!!

i guess everyone forgot about them finding it circulating in europe in november 2019 huh

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Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Also, the stories I have seen all (they almost all use the same language) say they “sought hospital care” which could literally mean anything.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

is pepsi ok posted:

jfc every time i hear "what would the founding fathers have thought of this?" who gives a gently caress they just happened to be a bunch of rich dudes when war broke out

they would mostly be thinking about murdering native americans or raping their slaves probably

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Rectal Death Adept posted:

NPR did a segment on the brain lasers recently.

Hundreds of people have reported symptoms! In and around the capitol! Why an unnamed DC staffer was assaulted by Russian brain lasers while walking her dog at her home in Virginia. Not only do the Russians have the ability to cook your brain remotely it's also portable and can follow you anywhere, anytime. No matter how important you are the Russians are attacking your brain with lasers from unmarked vans apparently.

I know I can't go 30 seconds without a cop pulling me over for an expired tag and have had my car illegally searched more than once yet the Russian government has been moving microwave weapons all over the capitol right under our very noses freely microwaving brains for years. This is hypothetically possible if you make yourself believe enough unlikely things therefore it's true.

no one ever seems to have an explanation for why the Russians would risk a nuclear war by attacking the white house with the brain lazers in 2020 (when trump, a known russian asset was there)

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

goons and the CIA putting aside their differences to work together, you love to see it folks

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1396...ingawful.com%2F

oh poo poo dudes its from US INTELLIGENCE that means its totes legit right???!!!

what were they sick with?

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Cpt_Obvious posted:

I mean, it pretty clearly did come from the lab. I can't bring myself to believe that the virus epicenter being a couple blocks away from a lab that specifically studies those viruses is a coincidence.

But it doesn't really matter. China will never admit it, and even if people could prove it what would you want to have done? It'd be nice if China could say "yeah it was us, we hosed up and we are implementing X, Y, and Z reforms to ensure this never happens again. we apologize." But China will never admit it and as far as I figure they are going to be implementing reforms regardless, because this pandemic hasn't been all sunshine and daises for China either.

There's no 'accountability' to be had with that regime, so it doesn't really matter.

absolutely love the lib-brain constant of calling US state enemy governments "regime" and friendly ones "administration"

almost as ridiculous as uniformly calling Russian billionaires "oligarchs" and US billionaires "business owners" and "industry leaders"

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

loquacius posted:

https://twitter.com/VP/status/1396602295530442754?s=19

They're still walking, it's ok everyone, still walking

walking hard, thank you!

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Shipon posted:

i tend to think black twitter's hilarity is overrated but they have some loving good names for shaun king

crooker t washington
hueless p newton
cream abdul jabaar
frauderick douglas

tupac sugar

WorkerThread
Feb 15, 2012

spacemang_spliff posted:

they would mostly be thinking about murdering native americans or raping their slaves probably

:hmmyes:

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

Shipon posted:

the west has been screaming this about china's "demographics crisis" for over a decade now and it ain't happening, lol no one has any loving clue

Xianjiang's population of both Uygur and Han has been steadily growing in past years in line with typical demographic trends but you can't say that because China is doing a GENOCIDE there :ssh:

Cromulent_Chill
Apr 6, 2009

Breakfast All Day posted:

walking hard, thank you!

I'd watch a John C. Reilly interpretation of Biden in a movie.

tmfc
Sep 28, 2006

why do a bunch of people have the same av of Amber Heard

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

my bony fealty posted:

Xianjiang's population of both Uygur and Han has been steadily growing in past years in line with typical demographic trends but you can't say that because China is doing a GENOCIDE there :ssh:

if you look into the crossrabs the han population in xinjiang is basically replacement rate and dragging the overall rate down while ughyurs are still going up and responsible for almost all actual population growth but for obvious reasons antigenocide crusaders dont bother to cite these factoids

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000



Ultra Carp

Breakfast All Day posted:

walking hard, thank you!

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Some Guy TT posted:

if you look into the crossrabs the han population in xinjiang is basically replacement rate and dragging the overall rate down while ughyurs are still going up and responsible for almost all actual population growth but for obvious reasons antigenocide crusaders dont bother to cite these factoids

the other intersecting talking point here is Zionists arguing that because birth rates are positive among Palestinians, therefore Israel isn't actually committing a genocide. This is wrong, of course, but even if we took the argument at face value, by those standards, no such genocide is occurring in Xinjiang either.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
a 334 ft tower? in my manhattan?

https://twitter.com/CarolynBMaloney/status/1396531203289800712

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018


quote:

Former teacher, consumer champion, #ERA activist, progressive Congresswoman. Mom of 2 amazing women. She/her. #NY12

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/deanofdublin/status/1396598544908185606?s=19

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007


They love losers.

Organ Fiend
May 21, 2007

custom title

my bony fealty posted:

Xianjiang's population of both Uygur and Han has been steadily growing in past years in line with typical demographic trends but you can't say that because China is doing a GENOCIDE there :ssh:

Isn't alot of the "[Nation X, usually communist/socialist, or all leftwing states, etc.] is committing a GENOCIDE!!!" people looking at birth rates and saying "well if not for X then birth rates would be higher, resulting in Y more people and therefore X genocided Y people" or some bullshit like that?

I think I remember this in the context of "Communism killed more than Hitler!" and then finding out it was projected birth rate bullshit.

If anyone has articles, I'd love to read them.

Jabronie
Jun 4, 2011

In an investigation, details matter.

Killin_Like_Bronson posted:

I'd watch a John C. Reilly interpretation of Biden in a movie.

The right son died in this case.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Carolyn Maloney has been on the House's Financial committee for ever and hasn't done poo poo except be a font of Wall Street money.

unfortunately we've only had clowns challenge her include a dude who last cycle thought it was a good idea to use Tindr to get volunteers.

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


Organ Fiend posted:

Isn't alot of the "[Nation X, usually communist/socialist, or all leftwing states, etc.] is committing a GENOCIDE!!!" people looking at birth rates and saying "well if not for X then birth rates would be higher, resulting in Y more people and therefore X genocided Y people" or some bullshit like that?

I think I remember this in the context of "Communism killed more than Hitler!" and then finding out it was projected birth rate bullshit.

If anyone has articles, I'd love to read them.

victims of communism foundation does that, yeah. they count all corona deaths as victims of the commies too

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

World War Mammories posted:

victims of communism foundation does that, yeah. they count all corona deaths as victims of the commies too

communism is a reaction to capitalism so any deaths caused by communists should be properly attributed to capitalism

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Raskolnikov38 posted:

i guess everyone forgot about them finding it circulating in europe in november 2019 huh
huh I unironically hadn't heard this, where'd they find it

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Organ Fiend posted:

Isn't alot of the "[Nation X, usually communist/socialist, or all leftwing states, etc.] is committing a GENOCIDE!!!" people looking at birth rates and saying "well if not for X then birth rates would be higher, resulting in Y more people and therefore X genocided Y people" or some bullshit like that?

I think I remember this in the context of "Communism killed more than Hitler!" and then finding out it was projected birth rate bullshit.

If anyone has articles, I'd love to read them.

There's two layers to this:

1. The Victim of Communism poo poo is when they say "x million people died by 1950, and those x million people would have had y million children, and therefore all those unborn children are also Victims of Communism"

2. The allegations leveled specifically against Xinjiang is that a genocide is occurring because the birth rates of the Uighur have gone down. Under any kind of reasonable discourse, it would be perfectly logical even through a liberal lens to say "as a population grows more materially prosperous, and specifically as women become more highly educated and have more economic opportunities, birth rates go down" - this is basically what happens to every developed nation as a middle-class takes root. But filtered through anticommunism, what you see instead is allegedly the deliberate eradication of an ethnic group.

___

DACK FAYDEN posted:

huh I unironically hadn't heard this, where'd they find it

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3112160/american-study-finds-signs-coronavirus-us-china-outbreak

quote:

The US has added to research from Italy and France that indicates the coronavirus might have been circulating among people in a number of countries before it was identified in China and erupted into a pandemic.

Scientists from the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said on Monday that tests of blood samples taken in the United States from December 13 last year revealed evidence of antibodies for the Covid-19 virus, known as Sars-Cov-2.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3110088/covid-19-virus-hunters-pick-another-piece-trail-italy

quote:

Researchers may have found a new link in this puzzle after discovering evidence suggesting the pathogen had infected people across Italy as early as September last year, or months before it was first identified in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

The unexpected finding “may reshape the history of [the] pandemic”, said the team led by Dr Gabriella Sozzi, a life scientist with the National Cancer Institute of Milan, in a peer-reviewed paper published last week in the Tumori Journal.

The researchers tested blood samples from lung cancer screening tests in Italy and said they found antibodies specific to Sars-CoV-2, the virus causing Covid-19, in samples from patients all over the country in every month of a six-month trial that started in September 2019.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52526554

quote:

A patient treated in a hospital near Paris on 27 December for suspected pneumonia actually had the coronavirus, his doctor has said.

This means the virus may have arrived in Europe almost a month earlier than previously thought.

Dr Yves Cohen said a swab taken at the time was recently tested, and came back positive for Covid-19.

The patient, who has since recovered, said he had no idea where he caught the virus as he had not travelled abroad.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Organ Fiend posted:

Isn't alot of the "[Nation X, usually communist/socialist, or all leftwing states, etc.] is committing a GENOCIDE!!!" people looking at birth rates and saying "well if not for X then birth rates would be higher, resulting in Y more people and therefore X genocided Y people" or some bullshit like that?

I think I remember this in the context of "Communism killed more than Hitler!" and then finding out it was projected birth rate bullshit.

If anyone has articles, I'd love to read them.

they also do this to exaggerate the death toll of the great chinese famine, which you shouldnt even need to do unless you're just being dishonest, because a lot of people died even with conservative numbers?



you may also note that nobody ever has a version of this graph showing anything before 1949

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

World War Mammories posted:

victims of communism foundation does that, yeah. they count all corona deaths as victims of the commies too

And also Nazi soldiers killed by the Red Army

And Soviet civilians killed by the Nazis

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011


impressive how he manages to go through this whole clip without ever once giving a specific example of how he disagrees with goldwater on policy why its almost as if rockefellers main issue with goldwater was just one of branding

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

fart simpson posted:

they also do this to exaggerate the death toll of the great chinese famine, which you shouldnt even need to do unless you're just being dishonest, because a lot of people died even with conservative numbers?



you may also note that nobody ever has a version of this graph showing anything before 1949

famines under the Qing and then the KMT were the result of market fluctuations and acts of God. Since communism abolished both, the state is responsible for all deaths from famine after 1949.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

fart simpson posted:

you may also note that nobody ever has a version of this graph showing anything before 1949

curious

:thunk:

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Was Goldwater ever personally responsible for anything as horrific as the massacre at Attica?

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle
dem socs love the "China is doing a genocide" thing as well as red-baiting in general.

which accounts are worse, dem socs or Elon simps?

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

it would be funny if Hillary Clinton was one of the jeering voices

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

gently caress it; it is now my headcanon

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Ghost Leviathan posted:

And also Nazi soldiers killed by the Red Army

And Soviet civilians killed by the Nazis

every time I think about the Victims of Communism listing dead nazis as victims it makes me lol

it's incredibly cool that the State Department launders them to a fawning media

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Smythe posted:

pretty the fauccmeister busted up into the lab, gunned down two Chinese dudes in biohazard suits, then released that mother bitch virus into the the air via custom predator drone.

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

spacemang_spliff posted:

dem socs love the "China is doing a genocide" thing as well as red-baiting in general.

which accounts are worse, dem socs or Elon simps?

hmm well one lives in a fantasy world where the march of progress is inevitable and will solve all our problems without having to do any real work, and the other thinks we will all live on mars.

about the same ig

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fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:


im serious. if anyone has this data for pre 1949 please send it to me. ive been looking off an on for months and cant find anything. basically i cant find data on this for any country except america, actually

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