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Personal_Nirvana
Dec 28, 2012
Yano is pure gold.

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Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

Personal_Nirvana posted:

Yano is pure gold.

:yeah:

E: God, I can't stop thinking about Yano. What a guy.

Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 00:22 on May 20, 2021

MachuPikacchu
Oct 15, 2012

Sacre vert! Maman!

I went back and rewatched the first episode, and it's really hard to have any sympathy for Kakihana. At first glance he's your average Joe looking for love, but his first scene at the bar shows him trying to match with VERY young girls despite being 40 years old. It's one thing to root for a lovable lug who's in over his head, and another altogether to feel bad for a creepy middle aged man whose grand plan is to bilk the Yakuza by borrowing money from them and hoping they forget about it, and use that money to sleep with a girl 22 years his junior.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
kakihana’s just another schlub who peaked in high school and spends a shiftless adulthood desperately trying to go back

genuinely curious how he thought this little tryst was going to turn out for him though. maybe we’ll find out before Yano starts to lay some fat beats with a tire iron

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

I feel like Odakawa telling Dobu that Kakihana is better off dead wasn't a bluff.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Oxxidation posted:

genuinely curious how he thought this little tryst was going to turn out for him though. maybe we’ll find out before Yano starts to lay some fat beats with a tire iron
I am guessing he was thinking the power of twue wuv was going to triumph when he revealed, after the wedding he couldn't afford, that he was a janitor living in poverty.

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Kung Food posted:

I am guessing he was thinking the power of twue wuv was going to triumph when he revealed, after the wedding he couldn't afford, that he was a janitor living in poverty.

Judging by today's episode he would somehow ride the lie until the very end.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

Dobu is real bad at crime.

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
Lurklurklurklurklurk
I don't know why but I sorta like Dobu, he's a dirtbag but he's a dirtbag with relatable problems since he's being hassled by his even-worse competitor at work and has an online hate mob after him, headed up by rando who's trying to self-promote by selling fake righteousness

It also helps that Tanaka is out there putting people in danger because of his chaotic self destructive spiral. I suppose being terrible truly is relative, to some degree.

*Edit* It looks like the official site has a Zoo Garden gacha thing

https://twitter.com/onimaruxlr/status/1397028669252677632

okapis are weird, they're like the midpoint between a giraffe and a zebra

OnimaruXLR fucked around with this message at 04:25 on May 25, 2021

Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado


It's fascinating how compelling all of these characters are. They are, at worst, weirdly sympathetic.

Dobu is a bad guy and an unrepentant criminal, but as someone else in the thread pointed out he feels in over his head and I think that's in part because he's a very old-fashioned criminal. His method of crime is old-fashioned yakuza-ing, beating people up, extorting people, bribing officials, etc. The fact that he is intending to almost literally rob a bank reaffirms this.

Yano is equally bad and equally unrepentant, but he's also a much more modern version of the yakuza dude, and I don't just mean because he raps. The criminal stuff he's been tied up in so far has all been related to the idol group both as a straightforward moneymaking venture and for cyber crimes and Internet-based extortion scams. The stuff he does is way more ripped from the headlines than the sort of crimes that Dobu is likely to do. The series so far has done nearly nothing to present his viewpoint or make him relatable to our protagonist, but it has still gone out of its way to make him come across as a kind of a doofus between rapping all of his lines and riding around on that scooter and taking time off from his busy extortion schedule the jam out to some music.

And Tanaka? We had an entire episode from his perspective showing him self-destructing in real time. The dude is a husk of a dude and a danger to himself and others, but what happened to him also has a very in the moment feel to it.

Zeitgeist is the show's watchword, this isn't just a neo-noir series, it is a neo-noir series set in the here and now. The fact that one of the loose cannons in the show is a YouTube influencer feels incredibly on point with what the series is doing. Odd Taxi is here to talk about crime, isolation, and alienation in the information age and it's doing pretty darn well.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Hell, I even started feeling it for Yamamoto (Mystery Kiss' mgr fox dude); he wants to keep on doing the idol grift and seems very invested in it despite the Yakuza ties. Also holy poo poo, why is it that the closest to sensible dude we have of the main cast is the Springsteen fan?

Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?

MachuPikacchu posted:

I went back and rewatched the first episode, and it's really hard to have any sympathy for Kakihana. At first glance he's your average Joe looking for love, but his first scene at the bar shows him trying to match with VERY young girls despite being 40 years old. It's one thing to root for a lovable lug who's in over his head, and another altogether to feel bad for a creepy middle aged man whose grand plan is to bilk the Yakuza by borrowing money from them and hoping they forget about it, and use that money to sleep with a girl 22 years his junior.

He's not a bad guy. Just pathetic. He's got that midlife crisis going on hard.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD
I've noticed that one of the main over arching themes of this show that ties all the characters together is people being brought down by their obsessions.

Tanaka: The most obvious.
Kakihana: His desire for a cute partner he is too old for has him beaten and in deep debt to dangerous people.
Kabasawa: Wants social media fame more than anything and even received a little, but now he is targeted by a dangerous gangster and a growing number of people think he is a phony and a coward.
Dobu: Obsessed with being better than best boy. Drives him to try to pull off a risky robbery that looks to be a trap.
Mystery Kiss (Yamamoto especially) Will do anything to make it big in the idol world, including blackmail and extortion, causing them to get more and more entangled with Yakuza, who have made it increasingly obvious they only care about the group for the money they can make.
Little Diamon: His obsession with justice makes him easily manipulated, and will tear a rift between his only family.
Imai: If he wasn't such a stan over mystery kiss he probably would have kept his mouth shut about his winnings and not been targeted by two competing Yakuza factions.
The homo sapiens: Their arc hasn't been explored that much yet, but Kensuke at least was willing to go so far as taking a bullet for comedy.

And the one person tying them all together is a man with no obsessions, who is content to live a lonely life driving his cab around and occasionally eating at his favorite diner with his monkey bros.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

Kung Food posted:

And the one person tying them all together is a man with no obsessions, who is content to live a lonely life driving his cab around and occasionally eating at his favorite diner with his monkey bros.

Something about the latest episode tells me that's not quite the case.

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth
I just hope Shibagaki makes it out ok. Dude just wants to make people laugh.

Captain_duck
Dec 3, 2005

I swear nice bushes!

Omnicrom posted:

Zeitgeist is the show's watchword, this isn't just a neo-noir series, it is a neo-noir series set in the here and now. The fact that one of the loose cannons in the show is a YouTube influencer feels incredibly on point with what the series is doing. Odd Taxi is here to talk about crime, isolation, and alienation in the information age and it's doing pretty darn well.

This exactly. You just put into words why this show is so good.

Doodles
Apr 14, 2001
"And now, class, it is time for the Word of The Day. Today's word is 'bescumbered.' It means 'to be shat upon.' Can the class use it in a sentence?"

"Kakihana is utterly bescumbered."

"Very good, class!"

MachuPikacchu
Oct 15, 2012

Sacre vert! Maman!

Man, having Kakihana call his mother and say good bye was ice cold.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!
At this point, I don't think it's a question of whether the cast is hosed or not but who is gonna run headlong into a bullet first or if everybody's gonna die at the same time Godfather-style.

E:

MachuPikacchu posted:

Man, having Kakihana call his mother and say good bye was ice cold.

Not only that, but Yano giggling as he did it. Jesus.

Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 00:45 on May 26, 2021

Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?
Yano hits that perfect spot of being fun to watch and utterly detestable at the same time.

Talorat
Sep 18, 2007

Hahaha! Aw come on, I can't tell you everything right away! That would make for a boring story, don't you think?
He's a spectacular villain, I love when he's on the screen, even though he's absolute scum.

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth

Teriyaki Koinku posted:

At this point, I don't think it's a question of whether the cast is hosed or not but who is gonna run headlong into a bullet first or if everybody's gonna die at the same time Godfather-style.
I feel like people itt are assigning this show a slightly darker tone than it actually has. But we'll see.

Elfface
Nov 14, 2010

Da-na-na-na-na-na-na
IRON JONAH
At the end we'll discover that the reason people think Odokawa kidnapped the cat is that he's got an actual animal cat in his cupboard, and heard him talking about the passenger as a cat too.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Forgall posted:

I feel like people itt are assigning this show a slightly darker tone than it actually has. But we'll see.
Almost everyone from the main cast is, in some way or another, either a Yakuza, in the pocket of a Yakuza, being hunted by a Yakuza (or in the case of the dumbass/tweeting/YT'ing hippo, "hunting" a Yakuza) or Tanaka. Like probably a few members of the cast are going to be alright, but the majority of 'em? SOL&JWF.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
seems like the only possible out right now is kuroda, he's dobu and yano's boss and seems far more even-keeled than both of them. if he got wind of their dick-measuring contest he'd probably put a stop to it

ironically the only one who knows anything about his involvement in this mess is kakihana, and he's in no position to share

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Elfface posted:

At the end we'll discover that the reason people think Odokawa kidnapped the cat is that he's got an actual animal cat in his cupboard, and heard him talking about the passenger as a cat too.

I was thinking this might be the case when I noticed in the OP the closet door opens and you see the tail end of an actual, non person, cat.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
odokawa almost definitely gave the girl a ride, since yuki is probably her body double and he remembers picking up someone who resembled her recently (which also causes yamamoto to quietly start panicking)

a third possibility is that he picked her up in his cab but has a normal cat in his closet, though i did read speculation that tanaka plugged odokawa's window because he spied someone moving through the glass and assumed it was odokawa

right now i'd say the balance of evidence favors that he's harboring the girl, the bigger question is why

cropoval
Feb 17, 2020

Right now I think Odokawa knows something about the missing girl but didn't hurt her- maybe he figured out she was trying to get away from Mystery Kiss and gave her some assistance, only for it to become clear she was found and killed afterward. Or maybe he does actually know how she died and that's why the show starts with him dreaming of the body being thrown in the water.

But I am starting to lean towards the theory that he's just keeping a stray cat (an actual cat) in his house, and ironically it's led people to believe he's holding the girl. I do think it's possible he may have harbored the girl for a while but she already left early on during the show or before it started.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD
I wonder if the girl's disappearance has something to do with the badger games. Like they tried con the wrong rich dude who subsequently ended her. Or that she wanted to quit and had a "talk" with Yano and then was killed. Either way I am guessing Odokawa was the last person to see her alive and his data links to the killer. I get the vibe that Yamamoto doesn't want the data to help find the girl for the sake of the boss, like Dobu does, but instead he is desperately trying to cover up what happened, which is why he is willing to pay so much for it.

Option B is that she is alive and in Odokawa's closet because she is afraid of what Yano or a badger game victim will do to her, but that wouldn't explain why Yamamoto is so desperate for the cab data.

Nick Buntline
Dec 20, 2007
Doesn't know the impossible.

Possible a bit out there, and I may need to rewatch bits to make sure it holds up, but: given all the time we've spent in show on how Odokawa's perception differs from other people, I can't help but wonder if Odokawa saying he picked up someone who looked like Yuki might have zero relation to whether the missing girl resembles Yuki. I feel like it's possible that Odokawa is in fact hiding the girl he picked up in his closet - and it's a third person that he thinks looks like her, but has no connection to the other plot beyond being an impetus to make the various criminals panic and take unnecessarily risky actions (it would be very noir for the criminals to have succeeded perfectly and then get caught anyway out of sheer paranoia.)

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBfaQiVEYQ8

Doodles
Apr 14, 2001
Chillin' like a villain.

Personal_Nirvana
Dec 28, 2012
We need a Yano spinoff.

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



OnimaruXLR posted:

I don't know why but I sorta like Dobu, he's a dirtbag but he's a dirtbag with relatable problems since he's being hassled by his even-worse competitor at work and has an online hate mob after him, headed up by rando who's trying to self-promote by selling fake righteousness

It also helps that Tanaka is out there putting people in danger because of his chaotic self destructive spiral. I suppose being terrible truly is relative, to some degree.

*Edit* It looks like the official site has a Zoo Garden gacha thing

https://twitter.com/onimaruxlr/status/1397028669252677632

okapis are weird, they're like the midpoint between a giraffe and a zebra


Omnicrom posted:

It's fascinating how compelling all of these characters are. They are, at worst, weirdly sympathetic.

Dobu is a bad guy and an unrepentant criminal, but as someone else in the thread pointed out he feels in over his head and I think that's in part because he's a very old-fashioned criminal. His method of crime is old-fashioned yakuza-ing, beating people up, extorting people, bribing officials, etc. The fact that he is intending to almost literally rob a bank reaffirms this.


The key is, we see Dobu being a criminal, beating someone else... but he is super reasonable with the main character and well behaved, the one that is a proxy for the audience. Lots of times he asked something to Odokawa, he replies 'no' and then Dobu instead of pressuring him, just say 'can you please do this alternative?'. And of course he hasn't tried to use violence against him.

Doodles
Apr 14, 2001

Personal_Nirvana posted:

We need a Yano spinoff.

Brave of you to assume he's going to survive

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD
For being a criminal scumbag Dobu is a pretty solid bro.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Kung Food posted:

For being a criminal scumbag Dobu is a pretty solid bro.

half this episode was basically a Yakuza substory

SEKIGUCHI
CAPTAIN OF THE YANO FAMILY
A KURODA FAMILY SUBSIDIARY

Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 21:20 on May 31, 2021

Omnicrom
Aug 3, 2007
Snorlax Afficionado


That was… Yeah, "melancholy" was a good choice for a word in the episode title. That's one of the many emotions coming through the show.

I gotta say, I was full on expecting Kakihana to be dead meat from the moment it came out he was taking stupid loans. On the other hand, you might be justified in saying that his "life is over". Him and Kabasawa both.

Dobu was really excellent this episode. The talk he has with Kabasawa is really fascinating because that particular streak of dialogue felt really similar to the sort of thing that Odokawa would say. Heck, we were introduced to him and Odokawa with the latter giving the hippo kid addressing down about his desire to become Internet famous. And, Oxxidation is totally spot on, this episode did feel like a side story in a Yakuza game. Honestly, if you sanded off some of Dobu's rougher edges he and Odokawa could totally be major NPC's if not playable characters. But of course, they didn't, and now are left with a compelling anti-villain and I am here for it.

It took a little bit, but now I'm actually curious where the Goriki plot line is going to go. We're past the point of "Odokawa is disassociating things weirdly" into asking "what else is he not seeing right?" which was the more interesting idea that was lurking on the periphery. Considering so many other people in the story have been broken by obsession and desire, you have to wonder what makes the dude tick. It's been really interesting seeing Odokawa go from a fairly passive observer to a much more active participant in the crime drama.

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth
lovely youtuber banging his fans, this show truly has its finger on the pulse of the times.

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Pootybutt
Apr 5, 2011

Dobu came out lookin like a boss this week

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