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Lampsacus posted:My god, you people could benefit from having gone through an internet atheist phase. Group D who knows aliens are real, they can feel it in their assholes
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Jun 6, 2021 23:04
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Vomik posted:why do you think they are aliens? its supposed to be objects in the sky - our sky - not even in space. why do you think they came from a different planet? Why do you think they are angels? its supposed to be objects in the sky - our sky - not even in heaven. why do you think they came from a different plane?
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Jun 6, 2021 23:05
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the only compelling reason in 2021 over 1996 or the NASA SETI program or project bluebook or roswell is because it's the military providing the videos to the media. that doesn't seem that convincing to me and i'm not even particularly skeptical of aliens in general (although quite skeptical of them ever coming here)
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Jun 6, 2021 23:06
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Vomik posted:i would guess the biggest reason people like to argue about it is its weird to see a leftist forum just literally reposting military and cia videos and nytimes articles. It undermines their authority, their capability to defend our own territories, and the narrative that has been relentlessly adhered to by multiple generations of military and executive leadership. Also China, Russia, the UK, France, and Canada (these all just to my knowledge) have released corroborating information or reports about similar events from their own governments.
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Jun 6, 2021 23:06
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Lampsacus posted:I don't. what? this is the worst possible rebuttal
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Jun 6, 2021 23:07
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Imagine this scenario: you're outside for once in your lifetime. You look up from staring at the sidewalk and see a bright light coming your direction. You are knocked to your feet suddenly and the light gets brighter, more intense. A hand reaches out to comfort you and suddenly you are taken to a bright white room. You feel nothing, no pain but cannot move. Your mother is crying over you saying what an even bigger burden you've become for being so stupid. She wails against a nurse nearby and says that she's sorry you'll never move or speak again, but to cherish your life. You and her watch reruns of The Office for hours ever day.
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Jun 6, 2021 23:08
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Vomik posted:i would guess the biggest reason people like to argue about it is its weird to see a leftist forum just literally reposting military and cia videos and nytimes articles. sightings have been occurring since long before the CIA existed also: Good Soldier Svejk posted:It undermines their authority, their capability to defend our own territories, and the narrative that has been relentlessly adhered to by multiple generations of military and executive leadership.
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Jun 6, 2021 23:08
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Bideo James posted:Imagine this scenario: you're outside for once in your lifetime. You look up from staring at the sidewalk and see a bright light coming your direction. You are knocked to your feet suddenly and the light gets brighter, more intense. A hand reaches out to comfort you and suddenly you are taken to a bright white room. You feel nothing, no pain but cannot move. Your mother is crying over you saying what an even bigger burden you've become for being so stupid. She wails against a nurse nearby and says that she's sorry you'll never move or speak again, but to cherish your life. You and her watch reruns of The Office for hours ever day. sounds like a standard police beating, nothing to see here
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Jun 6, 2021 23:09
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Vomik posted:what? this is the worst possible rebuttal E; also, its kind of disingenuous and borderline gas-lighting and abusive to ask why somebody believes something, and when they say they don't, you say what you said. Lampsacus has issued a correction as of 23:11 on Jun 6, 2021 |
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Jun 6, 2021 23:09
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Lampsacus posted:My god, you people could benefit from having gone through an internet atheist phase. What if I'm still in an internet atheist phase but I'm too thickheaded to progress any further??
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Jun 6, 2021 23:10
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:What if I'm still in an internet atheist phase but I'm too thickheaded to progress any further?? May I suggest the DnD thread for you, friend? You can talk about how your engineering degree lets you calculate that aliens don't exist there all you want. They'll love you.
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Jun 6, 2021 23:11
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Lampsacus posted:Not really. You are asking me why I believe they are aliens. I don't. ok if it was a hypothetical for group C - why do they find these videos of uap compelling evidence that aliens visited earth? why do people assume unidentified objects in the sky are aliens? i assumed you were part of it since you seemed to imply group C are the smart or maybe misunderstood ones
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Jun 6, 2021 23:15
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They wouldn't create a movie about cartoons joining up with Michael Jordan to fight aliens from loving outer space if cartoons weren't real you dipshit. God I can't stand hanging out with you.
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Jun 6, 2021 23:16
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Vomik posted:why do people assume unidentified objects in the sky are aliens? this has been answered about 69,000 times in this thread
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Jun 6, 2021 23:16
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Rah! posted:this has been answered about 69,000 times in this thread easier to just repost the same old thing and ignore any answers you don't like, imo this is my normal posting strategy, anyway.
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Jun 6, 2021 23:18
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Vomik posted:ok if it was a hypothetical for group C - why do they find these videos of uap compelling evidence that aliens visited earth? why do people assume unidentified objects in the sky are aliens? I think the folks in this thread are just people having fun. Imagining the phenomena as something with intent opens up a pantheon of speculation, whether that's aliens or hyper-intelligent ocean people or sentient lightning monsters or whatever the hell. At the very least I think our collective assumption/conceit is that the long history of reports are accurate (at least some of them) and that there are things that behave this way that we don't understand and that they are real physical objects and when you take those two things together you have to strongly discount the possibility that what has been reported for nearly a century is man-made technology.
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Jun 6, 2021 23:20
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Azathoth posted:i've always thought that the best solution to the fermi paradox is to posit that life is relatively common throughout the universe but consciousness is not, and that without consciousness, there's no way for a species to figure out what those stars in the sky that they can't interact with are all about and formulate the necessary intention to visit them. life has been evolving on earth for billions of years, but it's only within the last few million that its produced a species with consciousness. it's at least worthwhile to consider that while life might not be rare, the thing in our brains that lets us spend massive resources to possibly go there is exceedingly rare. i mentioned it previously but my personal solution is simply that the milky way galaxy is a bizarre statistical anomaly, whereas every other galaxy out there actually has a ton of sentient life roaming around
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Jun 6, 2021 23:22
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Vermain posted:i mentioned it previously but my personal solution is simply that the milky way galaxy is a bizarre statistical anomaly, whereas every other galaxy out there actually has a ton of sentient life roaming around It would be very fitting for our galaxy to be the celestial equivalent of Idaho
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Jun 6, 2021 23:23
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Vomik posted:ok if it was a hypothetical for group C - why do they find these videos of uap compelling evidence that aliens visited earth? why do people assume unidentified objects in the sky are aliens? I mean, no wonder humans are thinking its aliens or a software glitch or angels or whatever, we love to fill in gaps with certainty. But that compulsion to do so doesn't mean it's reasonable to do so. Also, just because I'm saying I don't know doesn't mean it's my job to explain why people assume ufos are aliens. That's their job to convince you. Stop doing this weird thing where you assume everybody who isn't asserting it's definitely not aliens therefore thinks its aliens and has to come up with reasons to explain their beliefs. And stop gas lighting and acting abusively. To continue to assert that somebody believes something, three times now, when they have said point blank that they do not is absolutely an element of abusive rhetoric.
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Jun 6, 2021 23:24
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Lampsacus posted:And stop gas lighting and acting abusively. To continue to assert that somebody believes something, three times now, when they have said point blank that they do not is absolutely an element of abusive rhetoric. lol come on you can't be serious
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Jun 6, 2021 23:26
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help help im being abusively rhetoricked
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Jun 6, 2021 23:27
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gentlemen please! this is the uap room!
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Jun 6, 2021 23:29
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Um, telling somebody what they believe, repeatedly, despite them stating otherwise, is abusive language. It sickens me that any of you would defend that.
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Jun 6, 2021 23:30
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I think the folks in this thread are just people having fun. Imagining the phenomena as something with intent opens up a pantheon of speculation, whether that's aliens or hyper-intelligent ocean people or sentient lightning monsters or whatever the hell. i realize most people are joking or just throwing out possibilities - i just find it kind of interesting that aliens are always the first choice of stretch explanations behind the unexplainable. why isn't the first assumption that they are human time travelers from the future? i mean i'm guilty of it too when anyone brings up a uap or whatever its what my mind jumps to aliens as an out there possibility first too
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Jun 6, 2021 23:30
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what if star wars was the culmination of MKUltra and george lucas has reprogrammed us to expect aliens? i hate to be the bearer of bad news... but george lucas started drafting star wars the same year mkultra was officially halted
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Jun 6, 2021 23:33
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Vomik posted:i realize most people are joking or just throwing out possibilities - i just find it kind of interesting that aliens are always the first choice of stretch explanations behind the unexplainable. why isn't the first assumption that they are human time travelers from the future? i mean i'm guilty of it too when anyone brings up a uap or whatever its what my mind jumps to aliens as an out there possibility first too i mean, ive been in this thread from the start and there were many multiple pages of theories not involving aliens and also including time traveling humans, quantum bubbles, etc
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Jun 6, 2021 23:33
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Vomik posted:i realize most people are joking or just throwing out possibilities - i just find it kind of interesting that aliens are always the first choice of stretch explanations behind the unexplainable. why isn't the first assumption that they are human time travelers from the future? i mean i'm guilty of it too when anyone brings up a uap or whatever its what my mind jumps to aliens as an out there possibility first too Aliens occupy the biggest stretch of cultural space. If you accept that these are some kind of manufactured craft and are far beyond our current capabilities, time travelers aren't a terrible explanation. The only real difference is that we have evidence intelligence life exists, and so it could exist again somewhere else; time travel, not so much. Still, FTL is so unlikely it's not THAT much more out there than time travel. in short, if you want to talk about time travelers or interdimensional visitors, post about it. ain't no one here going to shut you down.
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Jun 6, 2021 23:33
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Humans have already reached the endgame of politics so it stands to reason that we have also reached the peak of technology. Anyone that suggests more is possible is a creationist.
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Jun 6, 2021 23:34
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Vomik posted:i realize most people are joking or just throwing out possibilities - i just find it kind of interesting that aliens are always the first choice of stretch explanations behind the unexplainable. why isn't the first assumption that they are human time travelers from the future? i mean i'm guilty of it too when anyone brings up a uap or whatever its what my mind jumps to aliens as an out there possibility first too Potentially because that's what most people have been conditioned to select? I don't think there's any reason for a normal person to land on time traveling humans as the first possibility
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Jun 6, 2021 23:35
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Aliens just seem like we're most psychological primed to believe as "scientifically feasible" over time travel. I'm also a fan of weird unknown natural phenomenon like plasma balls and weird deep sea bubbles or some poo poo who knows. I can also get down with jungian collective unconscious psychological something or other but I really don't know enough about psychology or pseudo-psychology to play in that space
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Jun 6, 2021 23:36
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Wheeee posted:Let's be honest here, the people who even entertain the idea of aliens are so far down the motivated reasoning hole that they can't properly evaluate actual evidence. They also get super defensive that you have dared to object to their opinion and that they are victims and being silenced by anyone not willing to entertain the idea that it could actually be aliens. the end part is nice, since you're posting in the UFO thread lmao
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Jun 6, 2021 23:37
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Vomik posted:i realize most people are joking or just throwing out possibilities - i just find it kind of interesting that aliens are always the first choice of stretch explanations behind the unexplainable. why isn't the first assumption that they are human time travelers from the future? i mean i'm guilty of it too when anyone brings up a uap or whatever its what my mind jumps to aliens as an out there possibility first too they are travellers from a compact extra dimension which is much smaller than the 3+1 we inhabit. also the only habitable environment for their species occurs in the extra dimensions packed into the human taint and therefore they have an interest in continuing to eat (and breathe and setlle) our taints
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Jun 6, 2021 23:37
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Vomik posted:i would guess the biggest reason people like to argue about it is its weird to see a leftist forum just literally reposting military and cia videos and nytimes articles. those videos are only useful in that they're a visual record of what a whole lotta people have been reporting and recording on lovely cell phones and film going back decades. there's absolutely nothing in any of it that is in any way groundbreaking or even remotely novel. where they do have some use in the current discourse is as a rebuttal to the stock "if there's ufos in the sky, why don't we have videos  " crowd, who usually respond to the bevy of poor quality cell phone videos and photos with either "a ball of light on a cell phone doesn't show anything, we don't have a frame of reference!" or "special effects are so good nowadays that anyone could fake that". if the government is faking ufo videos, then they're faking them down the same lines that ufo witnesses outside the government have been reporting.and the point is also that what is seen in those videos matches reports going back decades from credible witnesses who not only have no reason to lie but for whom denying what they saw would be a benefit. if what is being seen in those videos is some cia populace control mechanism or some secret military tech, then it's really not new. it's something that has been circulating since the 60s at least, and that alone is what makes the mystery so appealing. like, I'll buy that in tyool 2021, craft with those characteristics could theoretically exist. it'd be a pretty big scientific advancement to do some of that stuff, but I'll buy it could exist. what i don't buy is that some government has had this stuff under wraps since the 60s and it hasn't leaked out, been stolen by spies and recreated somewhere else, or been developed in parallel at any point in the intervening 60 years. a common skeptical tactic is to not engage with the body of witness reportings and take one particular video or witness report and provide a plausible explanation for it but not give any evidence that said things did happen then apply that particular solution out to every ufo incident ever, even when said explanation requires a really implausible sequence of events to come together to produce the explanation for one event. like, i don't know what's happening, i really don't. on my good days, maybe i think i have an idea, but i'm almost certainly wrong. the one thing that i do know, however, is that ufo skeptics engage in some condescending lib bullshit because they're desperate to prove to everyone that they really understand the universe and that something mysterious couldn't be happening Azathoth has issued a correction as of 23:41 on Jun 6, 2021 |
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Jun 6, 2021 23:38
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Ironically iirc time travel (or at least going back in time) is actually more feasible within the accepted scientific framework than FTL
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Jun 6, 2021 23:39
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Remember most creationists do not believe in aliens and, not thinking aliens exist is a neo-Christian belief where they think GOD chose ONLY EARTH in the Bible to have souls and LIFE. Therefore no aliens can exist, flat earth, etc, and that permeated into “only simple cellular life exists in space and only earth was chosen to have complex life, tanq” types, who unbeknownst to them were influenced by the crazy Christians.
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Jun 6, 2021 23:40
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WEH posted:Ironically iirc time travel (or at least going back in time) is actually more feasible within the accepted scientific framework than FTL I mean, you just have to bend the curvature of timespace to get to where you need, right? the math speaks to it, but since we're having problems staying outside of the magnetosphere with our equipment,
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Jun 6, 2021 23:41
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Anyone else remember that thread in GBS way back when like 10+ years ago, where the OP was posting as a alien. Fun thread.
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Jun 6, 2021 23:46
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WEH posted:Ironically iirc time travel (or at least going back in time) is actually more feasible within the accepted scientific framework than FTL i dont think so tim anyway ftl isn't necessary for any of this, i still think the most likely explanation of uaps (the small fraction that aren't terrestrial) are ancient autonomous robotic probes. so they got launched from wherever long ago at sublight speed
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Jun 6, 2021 23:48
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Log082 posted:Aliens occupy the biggest stretch of cultural space. If you accept that these are some kind of manufactured craft and are far beyond our current capabilities, time travelers aren't a terrible explanation. The only real difference is that we have evidence intelligence life exists, and so it could exist again somewhere else; time travel, not so much. Still, FTL is so unlikely it's not THAT much more out there than time travel. yeah, that's true. and it also feels "likely" they have to exist somewhere given the vastness of the universe. I dunno - I'm a pessimist and when i hear governments coordinating together to release unknowns which they know implies aliens to people it makes me think they might be trying to pull some bullshit
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Jun 6, 2021 23:49
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I'm loathe to post reddit/Ricky Gervais content but this is fairly fascinating if at all true https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/ntx0kv/sam_harris_goes_further_on_ufos/
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Jun 6, 2021 23:51
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