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Slotducks posted:As legalized cannabis starts to spread those numbers will drop as well. Hangovers are so passé when you're 30+ Yeah alcohol sucks bro.
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Shame Boy posted:I always liked the whole "in Europe kids can drink at a younger age so it teaches them to be responsible with alcohol!" angle a lot of people push here. 13 liters is 1.5 beers a day.
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Jun 11, 2021 18:44
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the distribution of alcohol consumption is pretty wild. if you just look at the average, it looks like everyone drinks a moderate amount but really it's like: 30% don't drink, 55% drink moderately or occassionally, and 5% are hardcore alcoholics drinking 50 times the combined amount of everyone else
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Jun 11, 2021 18:56
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StormDrain posted:teetotalers I doubt there are many of these left, in the sense of an ideology Using it as a catchall for people who never drink feels odd and pejorative
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Jun 11, 2021 19:01
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I don't drink because it just makes me an even more miserable person to be around I'm a little jealous of people that don't just sink into an even darker pit of misery
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Jun 11, 2021 19:56
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StormDrain posted:The US has a bit of an all or nothing use rate though. Lots of teetotalers bring the average down, and excessive use on the other end. Check out the state by state data, Utah drinks 5l per year and New Hampshire drinks 18l. on the other I appreciate the data in it 
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Jun 11, 2021 19:58
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Len posted:I don't drink because it just makes me an even more miserable person to be around  . It's a social lubricant for others, but for me it's the kind that catches dust and gets gummy and makes it worse.Also doesn't help I feel sick and have a headache within an hour like 50% of the time I ever try to drink.
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Jun 11, 2021 20:27
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Len posted:I don't drink because it just makes me an even more miserable person to be around What's the matter Len, did someone steal your sunshine? sorry
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Jun 11, 2021 21:05
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explains why alcohol advertising focuses so much on being casual and having a regular good time because 90% of their sales are from barely-functional alcoholics who need reassurance lol
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Jun 11, 2021 21:38
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Idk 13 l of pure alcohol a year is maybe 3-4 six-packs of lovely American beer a week that's nothin
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Jun 11, 2021 21:39
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it's meaningless to talk about the average figure like it applies to anyone in particular, it innately doesn't, so comparing yourself to it doesn't make sense the histogram shows something meaningful you could classify yourself against
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Jun 11, 2021 21:50
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Spatial posted:explains why alcohol advertising focuses so much on being casual and having a regular good time I'd love to know how much money the alcohol companies pay to keep alcohol ads legal They should have gone the way of the cigarette commer by now
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Jun 11, 2021 22:08
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DACK FAYDEN posted:on the one hand this graph is so fuckin cutesy oh wow, I suspected this but this is staggering. I went fully sober 5 years ago and have never felt better, but some folks I used to keep up with have started drinking like fish in recent years and get super defensive about it. going from a drink a day to a drink a day except for a few on the weekends, onto a few every day and six packs each weekend day. hard to be friends with drunks with you’re sober. I wonder if this is similar to weed stats, I know some people who are zapped out on carts from when they wake up until they sleep and act like this is normal vs normies who have a weekly joint on Friday or something like that
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Jun 11, 2021 22:11
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Spatial posted:it's meaningless to talk about the average figure like it applies to anyone in particular, it innately doesn't, so comparing yourself to it doesn't make sense Coors Light, during college football season, has run some loving deranged ads in recent years that are like "Hey, it's gameday. Have a beer in the shower when you wake up. Start drinking at 10 a.m. with your buddies to get ready for some football!" https://www.ispot.tv/ad/oyyM/coors-light-the-official-beer-of-drinking-in-the-shower-song-by-gipsy-kings
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Jun 11, 2021 22:23
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gay_crimes posted:oh wow, I suspected this but this is staggering. I went fully sober 5 years ago and have never felt better, but some folks I used to keep up with have started drinking like fish in recent years and get super defensive about it. going from a drink a day to a drink a day except for a few on the weekends, onto a few every day and six packs each weekend day. hard to be friends with drunks with you’re sober. Yet those people will swear it's normal to need to be baked all day every day and stand by "it's not addictive!"
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Jun 11, 2021 22:27
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Len posted:Yet those people will swear it's normal to need to be baked all day every day and stand by "it's not addictive!" Congrats on having a brain you want to be sober in I guess
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Jun 11, 2021 23:03
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yeah people keep saying it’s not addictive. Then how come I get insomnia like clockwork when I try and quit and get cravings?
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Jun 11, 2021 23:38
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Len posted:I'd love to know how much money the alcohol companies pay to keep alcohol ads legal Same but sportsbooks ads. Nothing like promoting a bad habit every ad break. At least in Colorado.
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Jun 11, 2021 23:55
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DACK FAYDEN posted:on the one hand this graph is so fuckin cutesy Jessica Jones is an outlier and should not have been counted.
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Jun 11, 2021 23:57
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Len posted:Yet those people will swear it's normal to need to be baked all day every day and stand by "it's not addictive!" possibly because if you get cut off you have a mild craving and that's about it from it
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Jun 12, 2021 00:45
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Hodgepodge posted:possibly because if you get cut off you have a mild craving and that's about it from it By this logic cigarettes aren't addictive. If you have any kind of physical response to the absence of the substance, that's physical dependance. It doesn't have to have withdrawl symptoms like DTs or cirrhotic hemorrhaging for physical dependance to exist. Addiction from a clinical perspective is "continued use despite harm," and we all know someone who has made bad decisions in the pursuit of weed.
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Jun 12, 2021 00:57
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CommonShore posted:we all know someone who has made bad decisions in the pursuit of weed. no?
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Jun 12, 2021 01:01
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so at least 20% of the country are alcoholics? 10% easily by that graph. alcohol is cool if you drink it in a social setting. don't day drink tho
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Jun 12, 2021 01:25
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DACK FAYDEN posted:on the one hand this graph is so fuckin cutesy This is so wild to me because like 70% of the population is overweight so you know it's not like people are drinking lots of water. So instead of drinking alcohol people are just guzzling soda. I imagine if you did a graph with soda drinking it would be the same just reversed
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Jun 12, 2021 01:41
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CommonShore posted:By this logic cigarettes aren't addictive. If you have any kind of physical response to the absence of the substance, that's physical dependance. It doesn't have to have withdrawl symptoms like DTs or cirrhotic hemorrhaging for physical dependance to exist. the two aren't even mildly comparable cravings dude, and you obviously have no idea what a clinical perspective is on this matter (hint: the clinic is not in your colon)
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Hodgepodge posted:possibly because if you get cut off you have a mild craving and that's about it from it that's not true anecdotally. It's pretty common to have intense anxiety, insomnia, no appetite, panic attacks, and on and on for 1-2 weeks. Took me a few months to be able to regain normal sleep
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Jun 12, 2021 01:52
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gay_crimes posted:that's not true anecdotally. It's pretty common to have intense anxiety, insomnia, no appetite, panic attacks, and on and on for 1-2 weeks. Took me a few months to be able to regain normal sleep huh i've went from chronic to zero like... this week with no notable effects other than that i wouldn't mind some weed e: the Wikipedia page for the kinda sus Cannabis Use Disorder says that 12% of heavy users have withdrawal effects, and this is itseof associated with "significant disability as well as mood, anxiety and personality disorders." which raises the question of if its a withdrawal or just discontinuation of an effective treatment. at any rate, the world would be a much better place if even one addictive substance had a 12% rate of withdrawal symptoms Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 02:15 on Jun 12, 2021 |
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Jun 12, 2021 02:07
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Hodgepodge posted:huh I had a similar experience going off and on until the last time, didn't kick in until 3-4 days after going to zero. It's not like benzo withdrawal or alcohol withdrawal but it loving sucked and that time was miserable
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Jun 12, 2021 02:11
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Spatial posted:the distribution of alcohol consumption is pretty wild. if you just look at the average, it looks like everyone drinks a moderate amount but really it's like: 30% don't drink, 55% drink moderately or occassionally, and 5% are hardcore alcoholics drinking 50 times the combined amount of everyone else Without looking it up that feels roughly like gun ownership distribution in the US as well.
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gay_crimes posted:I had a similar experience going off and on until the last time, didn't kick in until 3-4 days after going to zero. It's not like benzo withdrawal or alcohol withdrawal but it loving sucked and that time was miserable see above, but, withdrawals from drugs that are a major problem isn't a "maybe" thing
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Hodgepodge posted:see above, but, withdrawals from drugs that are a major problem isn't a "maybe" thing It's all loving with your neurochemistry. The idea that marijuana can be chronically used without risk of dependency is pervasive, hell i said the same thing. I'm pretty sure the difference for me was the concentration you get from vaping, and it's poorly understood, but you can certainly go through withdrawal after cessation because of dependency
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Hodgepodge posted:you obviously have no idea what a clinical perspective is on this matter (hint: the clinic is not in your colon) Hodgepodge posted:i've went from chronic to zero like... this week with no notable effects other than that i wouldn't mind some weed nice
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gay_crimes posted:It's all loving with your neurochemistry. The idea that marijuana can be chronically used without risk of dependency is pervasive, hell i said the same thing. I'm pretty sure the difference for me was the concentration you get from vaping yeah revleft did an episode recently on the neurochemistry of addiction, turns out "weed isn't addictive" is yet another bourgeois lie https://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/never-enough-the-neuroscience-and-experience-of-addiction
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Jun 12, 2021 02:25
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CommonShore posted:we all know someone who has made bad decisions in the pursuit of weed. is giving me head for a dub sack a "bad decision"? asking for a friend
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Jun 12, 2021 02:25
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water is so addictive if you stop consuming it you die
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here’s a helpful list of things that definitely aren’t addictive cause you don’t have physical withdrawals: 1. food 2. sex 3. gambling
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Jun 12, 2021 02:28
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lol you think that's a slam dunk don't you
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nexous posted:here’s a helpful list of things that definitely aren’t addictive cause you don’t have physical withdrawals: i'd never really thought about it, but it seems that gambling addiction does have withdrawal symptoms (assuming the source isn't bunk or something): https://www.algamus.org/blog/signs-and-symptoms-of-gambling-withdrawal
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Laterite posted:Without looking it up that feels roughly like gun ownership distribution in the US as well. last I looked 24% of americans owned guns, which on average is like 8 guns a person im sure the distribution is similar to drinking
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Hodgepodge posted:lol you think that's a slam dunk don't you you understand the science, it’s my personal anecdotal experience was a pretty funny self own, yes
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