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GoutPatrol posted:For others, they're taking it to the extreme of "criminals are outbreeding us which leads to more crime." So, the plot to Idiocracy but with crime.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:So, the plot to Idiocracy but with crime. Speaking of things that didn’t age well, Idiocracy’s conceit is pretty awful!
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mind the walrus posted:I'm suddenly reminded of Stephen King 50s/80s bullies and how they're always pulling literal switchblades and seriously physically harming the kids, and that would explain a lot-- Boomers only recognizing bullying as hardcore physical abuse is very on-brand for them. this is also a good point. particularly movies i would see in the 80s, the bullies wouldn't just perform wedgies or whatever, but do outright psycho poo poo. i think cracked did a video about it a long time ago.
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thetoughestbean posted:Speaking of things that didn’t age well, Idiocracy’s conceit is pretty awful! It doesn't count if it was also awful at the time.
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Plethora posted:I remember a boomer teacher of mine saying, "That's God's way of weeding out the weak ones." I got mad and threw a pencil at my teacher for saying something close to this. For how much the culture shifted in through 90's it was still hard because often times the teachers were bullies themselves.
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i got into a shouting match with the history/ philosophy teacher in HS when he said "they should use a helicopter and shoot the looters" after Katrina I just ended up walking out after he said he'd fail me hahaa jokes on you bitch i dropped out the day after gently caress you and gently caress that racist rear end school Ohio sucks sometimes E: that day wasn't even a lesson it was just the gently caress watching foxnews on the school CRT tv that hung over his desk hurling thinly veiled racist comments and saying "it's a hurricane its not that bad these happen all the time"
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Missed a good chance to demonstrate the utilitarian argument for giving him a swirly (maximizes happiness)
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verbal enema posted:Ohio sucks sometimes Ohio sucks all the time.
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thetoughestbean posted:Speaking of things that didn’t age well, Idiocracy’s conceit is pretty awful! If you cut out the parts at the start and the end which explicitly lay out the pro-eugenic ideals of the makers of the film, it's not that bad. It's just that, why would you ever do something to make people who like eugenics look good?
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thetoughestbean posted:Speaking of things that didn’t age well, Idiocracy’s conceit is pretty awful! Seemed like a documentary to me tbh
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Toshimo posted:Ohio sucks all the time. drat its true
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like many movies at the time, idiocracy has a lot of areas where it hasn't aged well, but i still have a soft spot for it almost all the lines from the narrator were great
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Megillah Gorilla posted:If you cut out the parts at the start and the end which explicitly lay out the pro-eugenic ideals of the makers of the film, it's not that bad. The worst part is if you cut out those parts, it's still a cohesive movie with a mission statement and a reason why the world came out like this. It's just that rather than becoming pro-eugenics, it becomes anti-capitalist. The montage over the time skip instead blames a corporate race to the bottom, saying that since it became more profitable to focus on short-term profits and more frivolous scientific advancements, everything went on a downturn. Because... well, why develop something that improves nutrition when you can make more money inventing new flavors of energy drink?
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True, a movie where the message is "capitalism is bad" is vastly superior to one where the message is "poor people are inherently inferior and stupid and will drag Mr Interweb posted:almost all the lines from the narrator were great You mean, the pro-eugenics lines? Megillah Gorilla has a new favorite as of 10:48 on Jun 22, 2021 |
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Toshimo posted:Ohio sucks all the time. Can confirm this to be true. I used to dream about getting out of this state, but it's never gonna happen and I'm just going to die here.
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I'm from Michigan and we don't even really want Toledo anymore, but Ohio should still have to give it back out of principle. Ohio sucks.
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Len posted:Can confirm this to be true. I used to dream about getting out of this state, but it's never gonna happen and I'm just going to die here. Become a hobo and jump on a freight train. You might get to see such exotic far off lands as Dubuque, Bloomington, and Peoria.
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verbal enema posted:E: that day wasn't even a lesson it was just the gently caress watching foxnews on the school CRT tv that hung over his desk hurling thinly veiled racist comments and saying "it's a hurricane its not that bad these happen all the time" Ohio, notable for its firsthand experience with hurricanes. (I grew up there too and I had some similarly awful teachers, though thankfully they were mostly the exception.)
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FreudianSlippers posted:Become a hobo and jump on a freight train. You might get to see such exotic far off lands as Dubuque, Bloomington, and Peoria. Bloomington is actually kind of nice, although it's no Ann Arbor.
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drat, I think we all just got Bingo on our "Wow, that aged poorly" cards
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They went out of business about a year and a half later, so tbh I'm not sure this was working for them even at the time.
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the_steve posted:drat, I think we all just got Bingo on our "Wow, that aged poorly" cards No blatant homophobia tho
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bunnyofdoom posted:No blatant homophobia tho
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It's aged quite poorly, but that's not the worst term for special education students that was in common use at that time. Thinking about it for a second, I can think of two worse terms that were used a lot then. My mother taught special ed in the 1970s. It was still a novel concept in many areas.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:It's aged quite poorly, but that's not the worst term for special education students that was in common use at that time. Thinking about it for a second, I can think of two worse terms that were used a lot then. How did homeschooling work out for you?
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RC and Moon Pie posted:It's aged quite poorly, but that's not the worst term for special education students that was in common use at that time. Thinking about it for a second, I can think of two worse terms that were used a lot then. so you work from home op
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RC and Moon Pie posted:It's aged quite poorly, but that's not the worst term for special education students that was in common use at that time. Thinking about it for a second, I can think of two worse terms that were used a lot then. Life Goes On aired in 1989 and was the first time a Downs character was shown on TV as a relatable human being. Pretty sure the term "developmentally retarded" was a medical term well into the 80s and used informally well into the 90s and 00s. The modern term is "development delay" and from a quick check, DSM-IV-TR (2000) was where development disorders and autism were basically completely rewritten in response to the previous decade of research and understanding so I doubt the language had changed much until that point. It's actually weird to hear the derogatory words used for disabled people from back then, it sounds almost unbelievable now, like some fictional enemy from a 1960s Fantastic Four comic.
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pentyne posted:Life Goes On aired in 1989 and was the first time a Downs character was shown on TV as a relatable human being. As an rear end in a top hat in middle school, I went along with a other rear end in a top hat who decided that "corky" was a good term
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pentyne posted:Life Goes On aired in 1989 and was the first time a Downs character was shown on TV as a relatable human being. Am I misremembering or did they have the Beatles song "obladi, life goes on" as the theme music?
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Mescal posted:Am I misremembering or did they have the Beatles song "obladi, life goes on" as the theme music? Some cover version evidently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKHFUjNw70A
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I can't remember who it is, but some comedian had a riff about the word "retarded" being a fairly nice and charitable word to refer to developmentally delayed people, and of course, kids had to go and ruin it.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:It's aged quite poorly, but that's not the worst term for special education students that was in common use at that time. Thinking about it for a second, I can think of two worse terms that were used a lot then. I had a psychology textbook in high school (late 70s) that actually came from the late 60s (stupid, cheap rear end public school system!) that had the words idiot, moron, and imbecile as acceptable terms for people based on their IQ.
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pentyne posted:Pretty sure the term "developmentally retarded" was a medical term well into the 80s and used informally well into the 90s and 00s. Rochallor posted:I can't remember who it is, but some comedian had a riff about the word "retarded" being a fairly nice and charitable word to refer to developmentally delayed people, and of course, kids had to go and ruin it. i imagine there's a lot of regional variation here despite the fact that, when used as a strict medical term, the word retarded (or its equivalents) have a formalized meaning, the issue being that the public will take a medical term, run with it, and drift its meaning in the process the preferred public term in my area by the late 90s/early 00s was mentally handicapped since the term retarded had already well-fallen off the euphemism treadmill by then and was a pure insult... one of the challenges of professionals who deal with these issues being that they must stay ahead of terms with a derogatory connotation in order to continue dealing respectfully with patients and their families, and i imagine that sort of reactionary stance creates a lot of localization to cope with schoolyard teasing in their immediate area; back about 5 years ago when the forums first started to come down on r-bombs i thought it was ridiculous til i realized we're all a weird mosaic of regional slang, common usage prevails and, really, what we'd all like is for that euphemism treadmill to turn off one day instead of perpetually churning out new insults while doctors can use whatever terms they like in their own professional settings, right now the preferred term for public use around here is simply disability or handicap and later clarifying the details, the argument being that the spectrum of developmental disorders & delays runs pretty wide, one term can't communicate enough, and using a generic word might insulate it from meaning drift
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A co-worker of mine used the term, when it had to be mentioned, that so-and-so person was "a little different." I kind of liked that. Nicer than saying "I think there's something wrong with them."
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christmas boots posted:Some cover version evidently Ouch. Surely somebody had a bass guitar they could have borrowed.
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Rochallor posted:I can't remember who it is, but some comedian had a riff about the word "retarded" being a fairly nice and charitable word to refer to developmentally delayed people, and of course, kids had to go and ruin it. Doug Stanhope has a bit about how moron, idiot and imbecile were terms for specific degrees of developmental delay a hundred years ago, and were happily co-opted as insults until the advent of retarded as a new term, swiftly appropriated etc. ad infinitium
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Torquemada posted:Doug Stanhope has a bit about how moron, idiot and imbecile were terms for specific degrees of developmental delay a hundred years ago, and were happily co-opted as insults until the advent of retarded as a new term, swiftly appropriated etc. ad infinitium I remember a similar passage from Flowers for Algernon, though it's been years and years since I've read it, to the effect that terms for the disabled fall out of clinical use as soon as the general public figures out what they mean and starts using them as insults. Fake Edit: Found the actual quote: quote:“I’m “exceptional”- a democratic term used to avoid the damning labels of “gifted” and “deprived” (which used to mean “bright” and “retarded”) and as soon as “exceptional” begins to mean anything to anyone they’ll change it. The idea seems to be: use an expression as long as it doesn’t mean anything to anybody. “Exceptional” refers to both ends of the spectrum, so all my life I’ve been exceptional.”
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pentyne posted:Life Goes On aired in 1989 and was the first time a Downs character was shown on TV as a relatable human being. It's actually kind of funny in a sad way, as 'development delay' literally is the same thing as 'developmentally retarded'. 'Retard', by actual definition, means 'delay', and you still hear it used that way in certain places. Like when dealing with older cars, the phrase 'advance or retard the ignition' frequently comes up.
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