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Hey now Mass Effect 2 had the great story with the Geth being entirely uninterested in organic life and developing their own culture doing their own thing while the reaper geth were weirdo religious assholes to their society. Then 3 made them into a Pinocchio parable.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Onto Sine Qua Non in Season 4. I'm barely watching these episodes and just sort of flowing through them. That poor model ship, I hope this one was a replica and not the thousand dollar antique Olmos trashed back on season 3. It would not at all surprise me if they wound up having to just buy the model ship to payout the insurance company and museum it was on loan from and kept its wreckage around on set as an albatross to hang around Eddie's neck for breaking it.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Hey now Mass Effect 2 had the great story with the Geth being entirely uninterested in organic life and developing their own culture doing their own thing while the reaper geth were weirdo religious assholes to their society. Yeah, and then Mass Effect 3 happened.
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I really enjoyed The Hub this watch. Lucy Lawless giving no fucks, a really good space battle, the 8 who wanted to be more like Athena and her interplay with Helo, Baltar teaching a Centurion about religion and Roslin unsticking that pole up her rear end for at least a little while when she decides to not let Baltar die. Onto Revelations.
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Lol they made the BC coastline depressing af.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Lol they made the BC coastline depressing af. Clearly you have never been to Vancouver in November to March. They didn't need to dress it up all that much 
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Just put a grey filter on it the wreckage was already there.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Just put a grey filter on it the wreckage was already there. lol no grey filter needed, the weather takes care of that by itself
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I mean it looked like a different planet for S1 and S2
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Onto the mutiny arc. Even in space 200,000 years ago Marines are trigger happy jarheads. I guess this is also the episode where they found enough cash to bring back the extras from Pegasus, since Laird and rapist man both show up. I like how poo poo Gaeta is at the mutiny and how he immediately gets overruled by Zarek and his hardliners. Like really, you're going to get a bartender, a dumbass rapist who can't work a switchboard and a depressed LSO questioning his morals to run your coup. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Jun 21, 2021 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Onto the mutiny arc. Gaeta represents the audience by that point in the show: wounded and numb and just looking for any way out of the torment that he can find and finally loving elated when it finds him instead.
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nine-gear crow posted:Gaeta represents the audience by that point in the show: wounded and numb and just looking for any way out of the torment that he can find and finally loving elated when it finds him instead. At this point it barely feels like BSG anymore and I'm mostly watching to see how many more times Michael Hogan will growl about people not having "the guts" to do what is needed.
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Onto No Exit. This episode is basically a remake of Life Support from Deep Spafe Nine with Anders in place of Bareil. Brain injury and a ticking clock of how long they are conscious to do the necessary work before they go full vegetable. They also bring up Aphasia which reminds me of Babble from season 1 of DS9. It's also fun watching Ellen spar with Dean Stockwell. Dude is killing it as Cavill. He instantly turns from a scheming mastermind into a petulant child arguing with his mother and Stockwell does it effortlessly. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Jun 21, 2021 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Onto No Exit. This episode is basically a remake of Life Support from Deep Spafe Nine with Anders in place of Bareil. Brain injury and a ticking clock of how long they are conscious to do the necessary work before they go full vegetable. They also bring up Aphasia which reminds me of Babble from season 1 of DS9. If memory serves, the whole thing with Anders being in goo for the last few episodes of the show was because Michael Trucco broke his back in a car accident and basically couldn't move for several months, so Eick and RDM had to find a way to write around it. Hence Anders chilling in the goopiest hot tub until he flies into the sun.
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Meanwhile I just got to Anders' introduction in S2 and I'm like — yeah just what this show needed, another square-jawed white guy (surrounded by a bunch of POC redshirts who we'll never see again) Like we just got rid of Crashdown and I couldn't tell him apart from Helo anyway What fuckin model are they
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nBSG is just the Gritty Reboot Dimension from The Closer: Game of the Year Edition.
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Data Graham posted:Meanwhile I just got to Anders' introduction in S2 and I'm like — yeah just what this show needed, another square-jawed white guy (surrounded by a bunch of POC redshirts who we'll never see again) Well crashdown was the Starkiller model. He even had a clone in the second Force Unleashed game.
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Data Graham posted:
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Yeah man crashdown was in Force Unleashed while Helo was the bad guy in Need for Speed Carbon.
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I don't know about these modern vidya games, like your Counterstrikes and Skyrims
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The biggest tragedy of Gaeta is that he did not realize his genius idea of restaurants shaped like food.
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Now I'm onto the piano episode with Starbuck's ghost dad and Bear is being cheeky again using the original BSG soundtrack in bits and pieces when they're composing the new song.
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I liked Anders as a character for a while. It was kind of refreshing to have a new male character who wasn't some uniform. Of course his character got cucked to pieces and ended up in a tank of goo, but I did like his bit about the "perfection of physics" in or near the series finale.sad question posted:The biggest tragedy of Gaeta is that he did not realize his genius idea of restaurants shaped like food.
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I'm onto Daybreak now and finished part 1 Watching the TV cut rather than the extended cut because while I like the longer versions of Pegasus and Unfinished Business, I can't say the same for Daybreak. Again it comes back to the show not really being BSG anymore and struggling to find an identity while also resolving the plot threads for 30 or 40 characters in under three hours. The first time I watched BSG, I hadn't seen Deep Space Nine yet. Knowing now how much of the show was Moore reusing elements from DS9 and refuting all the ways Voyager pissed away it's premise, Daybreak feels like What You Leave Behind version 2.0 but it still doesn't quite stick the landing. DS9 struggled to make a satisfying ending for every character and now BSG is trying to resolve that shortcoming for an even larger cast, and it does this by making last minute flashbacks of pre-genocide life to reinforce the idea of where the cast came from to where they are now. In practice all it does is pad out the runtime and give us awkward Roslin scenes and TV drama Baltar reveals with his father. It's a lot of time that could have been better spent bringing the Cylons back into the show, since Cavil and the loyalists dropped off the map after The Hub and only showed up again for the finale where they're present for about thirty minutes before everyone dies. It really speaks to how well everything around the script works to carry this story making poo poo up as it goes along. It's just pure TV drama with shocking reveals and twists and turns that feel decided by a coin flip rather than any truly coherent vision. It's a series of vignettes passing themselves off as the series finale to the Game of Thrones of 2009. Thankfully as dumb as it gets its still no GOT season 8.
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Not for the first time I feel like Star Trek would be a better title for BSG
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Drunk Lee chasing a bird around was pretty funny.
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Mister Speaker posted:Drunk Lee chasing a bird around was pretty funny. Knowing that Lee's entire life is a neverending trainwreck even before the series started gives me life. Meanwhile Tyrol brings his knowledge of distilling alcohol with him to Scotland to invent scotch.
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I mean that's how I describe Scotland after having approached the planet from space and landing in Africa: "highlands"
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Adama dies alone on the cliff because an old man can't build a house by himself
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He absolutely lay down and died right there next to Roslin
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They all died of dysentery as soon as meds ran out.
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They couldn't breed with the locals and died from transmissable diseases with all their advanced medicine thrown into the sun. Hera isn't mitochondrial eve, she's a related species of humanoid that died out while the Neanderthals were much sexier to the Cro-Magnons.
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Apropos of nothing I like the little RDM/Eick stingers in the credits, not least because they give a little bit of insight into just how much they were making up as they went along. "Huge brainwave: NO BONES" Like obviously they're taking the piss out of themselves, but a trace of the true self exists in the false self etc
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Beyond finding another planet with humanoids on it its also quite something that Fake Earth also has all the same species of fauna that were on the colonies.
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Kinda hosed up that noone was allowed to just live out the rest of their life on a ship peacefully. Like oh you're 85 years old and wheelchair bound? Sucks for you grandpa wheel your rear end down to new earth fucker.
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They should have just had some humans gently caress off into space with the centurions aboard their basestar
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Tighclops posted:They should have just had some humans gently caress off into space with the centurions aboard their basestar At least that would help explain how there are other planets out there that have human populations. Plus the centurions were cute after they got their higher functions back.
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A motif I keep seeing in the writing is about belief — specifically, that belief, even if unfounded, is more important than fact. Adama starts the fleet off on its journey to Earth knowing it doesn't exist, but saying that the belief in Earth as a goal is the all-important thing holding the survivors together. Sharon/Helo and Boomer/Tyrol are both case studies for "she loves him" "she's a machine, she doesn't have the capability of love" "Doesn't matter, what matters is that she believes she loves him", and vice versa (e.g. Adama asking Tyrol if he loved Boomer, he says "I thought I did", Adama says "that means you did; love is just thoughts") Roslin's religious motivation toward Kobol and the Arrow are characterized in the same terms: "Maybe she saw it in a vision" "lol" "No I'm serious, she believes she sees things, and so do the people following her, and that's what matters" This comes up so frequently it's beating me over the head with it. I get what it's saying, or I think I do, i.e. speaking materialistically you act on what you believe to be true, not some high-minded reason-based calculation, but it also feels like it's stumping for mass self-delusion as a virtue; and I'm not sure how to square it with the 9/11 allegory and righteous-crusade/military-porn business, but it sure doesn't read like a criticism of it. I feel like the only question is whether it's just a thematic thread that RDM/Eick started pulling on and it just got away from them, or if they really meant from the start for that to be how it would come off e: oh yeah, and Baltar/Head Six is probably the biggest acting-out of that whole question; is she real? Is she just in his head? Is there a chip in his brain? Is he crazy? Does it matter, if what he "hears" moves him along a certain course? Is that distinct in any way conceptually from "God"? Data Graham fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Jun 25, 2021 |
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I never saw those things as a thematically cohesive whole, let alone a meta-endorsement that belief trumping everything else is a good thing. Like Roslin's stuff I interpreted as being drama/frightening where she can't be reasoned with & won't change her mind given new information (because she didn't logic her way into her beliefs to begin with), is going to make decisions based on magic/hallucinogen visions, and there's no way out except a coup (which will be messy since she has a big following that believes in the visions). At least initially, the audience is not meant to see the visions as a good thing, and making them accurate-ish seems to me more like an easy mystery-box than any intentional theme.
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