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Halloween (1978) Halloween II (2009) Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers Halloween III: Season of the Witch Halloween II (1981) Halloween (2007) Halloween (2018) Halloween: H20 Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers Halloween: Resurrection Also I’ll co-sign 3 From Hell being better than Halloween III, and will go ahead and say it’s better than any Halloween movie past the original if we’re going there
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Definitive Halloween list: 1 2 3 4 5 6 H20 Resurrection RZ Halloween RZ Other Halloween 2018 Halloween Kills Halloween Ends
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Jun 28, 2021 04:00
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Halloween '78 Halloween '18 Zombie's Halloween II Halloween II Halloween III: Season of the Witch Zombie's Halloween Halloween: H20 Halloween 4 Halloween 6 Halloween 5 Halloween: Resurrection
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Jun 28, 2021 06:23
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Anyone watch Caveat on Shudder? Goddamn terrible. How is this 83% on RT? I'll give it a few points for effort though. it was shot and directed pretty well and the cast was decent. It could have been good if the script wasn't so stupid. it was almost impossible not to tap out the second he agreed to put the harness on and generally I am pretty generous with my suspension of disbelief in horror movies. From there on out it was pretty much "the adventures of the dumbest man on earth"
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Jun 28, 2021 08:41
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I didn't mind it! but it took too long to get to the very creepy visual of ghost mom eyeballs popping out from behind things
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Jun 28, 2021 10:09
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Halloween rankings are harder than say F13 rankings cause those have tiers that come pretty evenly spread at like 3-4 films each. Halloween its like one masterpiece and then a handful of mediocre and straight to atrocious. Nothing ever hits the S-tier high of 78 but nothing hits the low of Curse or Rez either. 78 Season of the Witch H20 Halloween 2 18 Halloween 4 Robert Zombie 2 Halloween 5 Robert Zombie 1 Halloween 6 Resurrection
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Jun 28, 2021 13:31
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Halloween '78 Halloween '18 Zombie Halloween 2 Halloween H20 Season of the Witch Halloween 4 Halloween 2 Zombie Halloween Halloween 5 Resurrection Halloween 6 flashy_mcflash posted:It sounds like they tried and have kept trying to work with women directors. They're backing Gigi Shaul Guerrero's new one IIRC.
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Jun 28, 2021 13:37
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As it turns out, the real Halloween ranking was the friends you lose along the way.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:40
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Movies I would rewatch: 78 18 4 III Movies I would rewatch, but not go out of my way for: 5 RZ1 Movies I never want to watch again: 6 RZ2 Haven’t seen 2, H20, or Resurrection and I’m not super motivated to change that
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Jun 28, 2021 15:31
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david_a posted:Haven’t seen 2, H20, or Resurrection and I’m not super motivated to change that I think people are too hard on Halloween II(original, not Zombie). If you're someone who loves Halloween, there's really no reason not to seek out and watch 2 because it's shot by Dean Cundey and it's an extremely direct sequel so you're picking up right where the first left off. I dunno, I just don't have any major complaints about it other than that it's not as good as the original. But if Halloween is a 10/10, I think Halloween II definitely should be considered a solid 7/10, and generally people don't seem to regard it that way. It gets a lot of undeserved poo poo imo. Maybe it's because I grew up watching the Halloween series on cable, and it was rare that the first two films weren't shown back to back. So for me they're almost like one complete film where the first half is better than the second half. But Cundey's cinematography acts as a very strong through-line that connects the two films.
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Jun 28, 2021 15:53
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Yeah 2 is a solid slasher I think, it's just weak when compared to the original. The only Halloween movies I wouldn't care to watch again are 4 and 5. 4 is OK but feels like a rehash of 1/2 to me and I didn't care for 5 at all. 6 and Resurrection are not great but I think they're fun enough that I could see myself putting them on when I'm in the mood for some goofy 90s nostalgia. Resurrection was the first Halloween movie I saw in the theater so I have a soft spot for it.
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Jun 28, 2021 16:41
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Since we're all doing it... Good tier 1978 RZ 2 2018 3 RZ 1 Acceptable tier 4 H20 2 Bad tier 5 Resurrection 6 For what it's worth, I enjoy 4 as feeling very time-and-place for 1988, at least on the Jamie side of things, from what I remember of that year (I was only 5 then). It's still not that good of a movie on its own merits, though. And H20 is fine, but it does feel more like a Scream retread with the serial numbers filed off then a proper sequel to Halloween, at least until the last 20 minutes or so. Original 2 has a great opening and ending, but I don't care abut the stuff in the middle, and the bottom 3 are all pretty much interchangeably dire garbage.
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Jun 28, 2021 17:02
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I never watched Zombie's Halloween because he's a very specific type of filmmaker and I just didn't think it would mesh with what I loved about Halloween. Looking at the very polarized opinions on his films in these lists is confirming my view. Tyler Mane as Michael was a stroke of genius, though. That guy rules. He's so much more than just a big guy, he really does have the presence to go with it. From the Kill Count videos I've been watching though, it sounds like Zombie was kept on a leash for the first film, and my GF was also telling me how much she liked it and she can't watch horror films at all. I might give it a try.
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Jun 28, 2021 17:14
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NikkolasKing posted:I never watched Zombie's Halloween because he's a very specific type of filmmaker and I just didn't think it would mesh with what I loved about Halloween. Looking at the very polarized opinions on his films in these lists is confirming my view. The main point of contention with Zombie's Michael is that he spends the whole first act showing Michael as a kid and the events leading up to the first murders. Some people like it, some people hate it. I've always thought it's odd though how some people will say "I liked Michael in the first film because he's this mysterious force of nature who's motives can't really be understood", because for me in the original Halloween Michael is at his most mundane and he's the easiest to understand then before the sequels get into all the family stuff and the Cult of Thorns stuff. He's a disturbed, violent murderer who escapes an asylum and goes on a killing spree. That's it. I think Zombie recognized the basic humanity of Michael in Carpenter's original and chose to make that the core of his version, and I have a hard time seeing how that wasn't the correct decision given how bogged down some of the previous sequels had become with the other stuff.
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Jun 28, 2021 17:22
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Kvlt! posted:that makes me wanna watch it It has a very elaborate onscreen castration so it’s actually required viewing in this thread
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Jun 28, 2021 17:26
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NikkolasKing posted:I never watched Zombie's Halloween because he's a very specific type of filmmaker and I just didn't think it would mesh with what I loved about Halloween. Looking at the very polarized opinions on his films in these lists is confirming my view. Yeah he goes in a different direction with it by going all-in on the backstory. As a remake I think that’s fine; no point in doing the same thing again. Michael is more of a Jason Voorhees in this movie but restraint isn’t really RZ’s forte. I thought H1 was OK.
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Jun 28, 2021 17:40
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It’s again going to come down to how you feel about Bobby Zed’s style cause yes you see the childhood but it’s entirely loud, yelling, white trash. It’s what you should expect but I find it unwatchable.
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Jun 28, 2021 17:45
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gunna watch a quiet place 2 today. see how that turned out.
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Jun 28, 2021 17:46
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weekly font posted:it’s entirely loud, yelling, white trash If you take out the psychopathy and murder, it's exactly like my childhood!
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Jun 28, 2021 17:46
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I'm watching Halloween 6 for the first time right now.
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Jun 28, 2021 17:52
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veni veni veni posted:Anyone watch Caveat on Shudder? Goddamn terrible. How is this 83% on RT? It was a weird viewing experience for me; I enjoyed lots of pieces of it individually and they put in a little work to explain why this guy is so dumb, but once you know what the full story is it's really disappointing. Here's my pitch to make it a vastly better movie while requiring near-zero changes: The mom is a vampire instead of a ghost. This is why they shot her in the first place and why she becomes more active once the crossbow bolt is pulled out; they hosed up and didn't finish with the decapitation and garlic stuffing. Main dude agrees to poo poo because he got himself thralled on the first visit and has a compulsion he does not understand to go help her. This is extra frustrating to me because it almost works as a read on what's in the film as presented.
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Jun 28, 2021 17:52
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm watching Halloween 6 for the first time right now. I'll go to bat for Halloween six. It's not as good as the earlier ones but it has some decent kills, Paul Rudd is fine, and and Donald pleasence is Great as always though you can tell he was deteriorating.
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Jun 28, 2021 17:53
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weekly font posted:It’s again going to come down to how you feel about Bobby Zed’s style cause yes you see the childhood but it’s entirely loud, yelling, white trash. It’s what you should expect but I find it unwatchable. I’m not a fan of RZ’s films but I could stand that one, I dunno. Maybe it’s because I hadn’t watched a lot of the other ones.
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Jun 28, 2021 17:54
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david_a posted:I’m not a fan of RZ’s films but I could stand that one, I dunno. Maybe it’s because I hadn’t watched a lot of the other ones. The amount of obnoxious white trash stuff in the movie is overstated I think. It's pretty much centered around one particular character, his mother's boyfriend, and he has all of like two scenes before Michael does what Michael does. His relationship with his mother is handled really well and it pays off in the sequel.
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Jun 28, 2021 17:58
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Basebf555 posted:The main point of contention with Zombie's Michael is that he spends the whole first act showing Michael as a kid and the events leading up to the first murders. Some people like it, some people hate it. Just considering the first film, I can understand why some people don't like it even though I think it's a great choice. It's not really clear why this whole extended first act exists when the rest of the film is just a more violent remake of 1978. The second film justifies it completely imo. The thematic destination was always an unflinchingly brutal look at acts of violence spreading trauma like a disease and the different ways people react to it. Michael's violent upbringing blooms outward into this nightmare that kills a fairly small number of people but completely changes the lives of everyone it touches, in mostly horrible ways. I don't think the gut punch scene of Brad Dourif's sheriff discovering his daughter's body works nearly as well without that connection back to what made Michael a killer. I think that's why the Zombieweens are such good "remakes" because they're using the same basic story to explore very different themes than the original which for me is much more about the facade of security in suburban life.
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Jun 28, 2021 18:00
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Zombieween captures how nasty teenage girls are in terms of what they say. You think boys only talk about shittin and fuckin??? Think again!
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Jun 28, 2021 18:03
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Theres an argument to be made about if the theatrical cut or the producer’s cut of Curse of Michael Meyers is superior, but the correct answer is they both suck out loud.CelticPredator posted:Zombieween captures how nasty teenage girls are in terms of what they say. You think boys only talk about shittin and fuckin??? Think again! lol The dialogue just a sliver of why, but I kinda forgot how much I don’t like the new Laurie Strode across both movies. Edit: the uh old new Laurie Strode I suppose. Compound prepper Jamie Lee is fun. weekly font fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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Jun 28, 2021 18:03
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weekly font posted:Theres an argument to be made about if the theatrical cut or the producer’s cut of Curse of Michael Meyers is superior, but the correct answer is they both suck out loud. I come down on the side of Producer's Cut being clearly better just because it actually leans into the cult stuff and you at least get a somewhat more coherent version of that storyline instead of just being stuck in-between. It's still not good though.
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Jun 28, 2021 18:04
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Basebf555 posted:I come down on the side of Producer's Cut being clearly better just because it actually leans into the cult stuff and you at least get a somewhat more coherent version of that storyline instead of just being stuck in-between. It's still not good though. One of them has a head explosion and the other does not so I side squarely with whichever one does.
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Jun 28, 2021 18:07
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H6 at least hits the fall/Halloween season feel really well. Also the original Halloween 2 is better than 18 overall, sorry, but that whole babysitter sequence in 2018 is the best Halloween thing since the original by far. That should've been the whole movie.
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Jun 28, 2021 18:19
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NikkolasKing posted:I never watched Zombie's Halloween because he's a very specific type of filmmaker and I just didn't think it would mesh with what I loved about Halloween. If you’ve seen Halloween 2018, that one was actually very heavily influenced by Zombie’s Halloween 1 - and many people obviously loved it. Zombie’s Halloween is divisive simply because Laurie isn’t the protagonist. The whole suspense aspect of Carpenter’s, where you wait for Laurie to learn that there’s a random perv on the loose!!!, is replaced with a character study of Myers as lawless misanthrope who reaches out to Laurie for what he perceives as totally valid reasons. You can think of it almost like a slasher version of Falling Down, with Jason Voorhees in place of the Michael Douglas character. This is made even more interesting because Zombie incorporates the brother-sister thing. As you can see in the thread, Zombie’s Halloween 2 is ranked very highly - but I’d say that’s because it’s really just Zombie going in and just reiterating the thesis of his Halloween 1 for people who didn’t get it the first time.
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Jun 28, 2021 18:35
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Rzh2 also has some killer imagery
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Jun 28, 2021 18:39
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Basebf555 posted:The amount of obnoxious white trash stuff in the movie is overstated I think. It's pretty much centered around one particular character, his mother's boyfriend, and he has all of like two scenes before Michael does what Michael does. Also my friendly reminder that Halloween has 5 timelines which is kind of insane. The OG 1, 2, 4, 5, 6 timeline The '18 timeline of 1, '18 and the upcoming sequels The H20 timeline of 1, 2, and H20 The Part 3 standalone timeline where Halloween is a fictional film The Zombie remake timeline
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Jun 28, 2021 18:57
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:If you’ve seen Halloween 2018, that one was actually very heavily influenced by Zombie’s Halloween 1 - and many people obviously loved it. Zombie’s Halloween is divisive simply because Laurie isn’t the protagonist. I think while you're absolutely correct about the first half of Zombieween 1, I think the real reason people rank it lower than 2 is that the second half feels like a retread of the original rather than an expansion of those themes. 2 is a lot more consistent in presenting its subject matter, and also has Frankenstein running a strip club, which is hard to beat.
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Jun 28, 2021 18:58
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Basebf555 posted:The main point of contention with Zombie's Michael is that he spends the whole first act showing Michael as a kid and the events leading up to the first murders. Some people like it, some people hate it. For me it’s less that he’s mysterious and more that it’s a simple narrative that’s not bogged down by anything. I think it’s a big reason why it was so influential in the first place. I completely agree that the cult stuff is dumb of course, but that’s not the og movies fault.
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Jun 28, 2021 19:34
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I think the thing I don't love about Zombie's presentation of Michael is that the opening scene of '78 Halloween--which really doesn't give us much--empathizes Michael's class. Michael lives in this nice big house in surburbia. His dad is in a nice suit when he comes and sounds downright gentile. When people talk about both the simplicity and the lack of understanding of Michael's motives, I think that comes into play. Like even with the original Friday you have a story of revenge, a big twist, and even subtle class issues built into the backstory. But Michael was just a seemingly well-off child who murdered his sister for no good reason. There are a bunch of questions and no answers. And I really do like the idea of unpacking that story because Halloween '78 does allow you to take the assumption that there's not a reason Michael killed with you throughout the movie. And I feel like going with coding Michael's family as lower class sort of side-steps unpacking the original film if that makes sense. Because implicitly, the first film is saying that if he was poor then the actions would not be as inexplicable. I think it's a small quibble, but I like how Zombie's movies interact and try to unpack the idea of an inexplicable murderer, and recasting Michael as poor seems almost like a cheat and has never really sat well with me.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:37
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I've now seen the theatrical cut of Halloween 6 and it's better than 5--the only thing that one really had going for it was the Halloween party ON A FARM. Hell, I'd even go so far as to put this one above 4. H4 starts strong and I like the ending, but Michael feels like a knockoff Jason and in the final act everything quickly devolves into "everyone has to be incredibly stupid so the plot can move forward." I didn't know that there was a Producer's Cut. That explains why the ending of the theatrical cut is so strange and abrupt. The cult thing is not as disruptive as I expected, but it definitely comes across as half-baked. Edit: Considering what he survives from 2>4, getting drugged and bludgeoned by a smirking Paul Rudd feels a litter lackluster. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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Jun 28, 2021 20:40
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I like that Halloween 2007 opens with God of Thunder by Kiss. Zombie cinema's reigning king of the needledrop.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:41
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I like that Halloween 2007 opens with God of Thunder by Kiss. Zombie cinema's reigning king of the needledrop. The White Zombie cover kicks rear end
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Kvlt! posted:The White Zombie cover kicks rear end Indeed. the Death cover too.
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