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The lurk landmark is good design but low power level, cheap repetitive utility changes the feel of the game without ever winning it outright or feeling bad if you can't remove it or if you never draw it. It costs a card and has a small upside though (and it's so narrow, it doesn't even work with deep). Lurk is already going to have problems with running out of gas and drawing removal for must-remove cards, the landmark makes those problems worse. I think bloodbait is bad too, you go down a card and make your topdeck a pretty bad 2 drop just so you can guarantee lurk and a shot at an off-cycle lurk. It's really all-in for not too great a payoff. Redfin looks bad in comparison to merciless hunter but it's easily good enough for the lurk deck. The one drop exists to pollute the lurker pool. The List has a lot of potential, I like it. Vulnerable works well with overwhelm and overwhelm works well with big blobs of attack and with free attacks. You can also do something like level up renekton the turn you play him.
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Saw someone streaming a leaked reveal video and when Pyke lurks he turns into a spell that summons him and strikes a unit and when a levelled Pyke kills a unit it strikes the weakest enemy and that's not "once per turn" or anything, so he can board clear. His level up requirement was "allied Pykes have dealt 15 damage" I think. He's a 2/4 with lurk (obviously) and quick attack. edit: found the video https://streamable.com/arfkb4 Pilchenstein fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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Well that seems to fit Pyke from league well, in that Pyke is going to eat a ton of nerfs after releasing overpowered and just chains kills by spamming his ult. Have a new card.  And a unexpected Shen Boat 
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Jun 26, 2021 20:16
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Pilchenstein posted:Saw someone streaming a leaked reveal video and when Pyke lurks he turns into a spell that summons him and strikes a unit and when a levelled Pyke kills a unit it strikes the weakest enemy and that's not "once per turn" or anything, so he can board clear. His level up requirement was "allied Pykes have dealt 15 damage" I think. He's a 2/4 with lurk (obviously) and quick attack. It's going to be so sweet to counter that spell.
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Official version here. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GU-f_MFB3Rs Pyke looks nasty as hell if the opponent isn’t paying attention, which fits his league character marvellously.
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Pyke's champ spell is bone skewer, which is pretty perfect. It advances his level up, guarantees lurk, and on attack transforms him into death from below. I'm guessing that at level 2 it will also trigger his multikill mode. The champs definitely bail out lurk from being too awful, but my feeling is that the units are pretty weak, you can just trade off random stuff for them and hold on to removal/freezes/stuns to neuter the champs. Probably weak to wide aggro as well, since it takes a while for lurk units to become really threatening and bone skewer and reksai take blockers off your board.
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Magic Underwear posted:I'm guessing that at level 2 it will also trigger his multikill mode. Lurk does looks like it may be vulnerable to faster more aggressive decks, the same weakness Azirelia has. But I'm a little hesitant in that take because even without getting lurk buffed, their units have really good statlines for blocking into aggro.
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  I sort of like treasure seeker and baboon. You'd really hope you have better things to do with 5 mana than summon 2 2/2s, even at burst speed. Reaver's row reminds me of history of benalia except the buff is permanent but turn 7 or 8 payoff is really late for an aggro deck in this meta particularly since you're taking turn 5 off.
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Elnuk tribal continues to exist for some reason. I'm going to want to find a deck that makes Glorious Evolution work.
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I do hope this is the final expansion they split up into multiple parts, it's sorta annoying to have cards that are supposed to work together be released several months apart.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:I do hope this is the final expansion they split up into multiple parts, it's sorta annoying to have cards that are supposed to work together be released several months apart.
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Hellioning posted:Elnuk tribal continues to exist for some reason. Viktor and the augment cards will love it.
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It has that problem of being a 10 mana "do nothing" card that can be denied, but it looks fun at least and that 1 mana 1/3 tech support card actually has a purpose now for Viktor. The time has come is -1/1 compared to other 5 mana "summon a dude" spells but it is burst speed so against shurima it'll always be something control can do to chump block two of your guys with 2/2's. Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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Reaver's Row and Volunteer Elnuk seem unbelievably bad. I'm not booked up on Elnuk synergy and maybe I'm missing at the inevitability of dropping Reaver''s Row somehow or am missing how it works. I am assuming (1) it's not a permanent buff to all 1 drops and (2) the 1 drops have to be in play when the countdown pops off. If either of these assumptions are incorrect then it gets marginally better. The rest of the cards seem to exist for a reason. I'm not entirely sure why the 10 mana card costs 10 mana instead of 5-7 mana, but its reason for existence seems to be "I just played this card and somehow beat you" and costing it at 10 really emphasizes that design goal over a more reasonable lower mana cost. I'm having a very hard time imagining playtesting this card at 8 mana and going "the ability to jam this out on t5 after not using 3 mana during the earlier turns is just too strong". Similarly, I'm having a hard time imagining it being in an A tier deck even at 5 mana but 5 is a dangerous mana cost for it due to potential combos that may or may not currently exist. Pilchenstein posted:Have they said they're going back to one big release? Word was this was going to be the first expansion designed from the start to be released in three chunks so wouldn't be as bad but I guess time will tell lol I hope it changes personally because this tiered release thing hasn't been all that interesting. I'd much rather have one big release and then some balance patches. They seem to be moving toward split release + balance patches which will probably be just as good. Khorne fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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AFAIK, there are no plans to change the release format. This is the last set that wasn't designed with the format in mind (it was designed with one big release in mind). Future sets have been designed with the big/tiny/tiny format in mind.
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As much as I want to be excited that Viktor got a random support card I can't help but wonder when the hell you will actually be able to play a 10 mana slow spell and have it stick. And then have the game keep going long enough to make use of it. Which is a shame because it's pretty hilarious how many things they just slammed into one card for that.
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Khorne posted:Reaver's Row and Volunteer Elnuk seem unbelievably bad. I'm not booked up on Elnuk synergy and maybe I'm missing at the inevitability of dropping Reaver''s Row somehow or am missing how it works. I am assuming (1) it's not a permanent buff to all 1 drops and (2) the 1 drops have to be in play when the countdown pops off. If either of these assumptions are incorrect then it gets marginally better. Reaver’s Row says “grant”, so probably the buff is permanent, but I think you’re right that they have to be in play since it doesn’t say “1 drops everywhere”. So no strengthening the powder pandemonium monkey deck or making fearsome sand soldiers, sigh. “When I count down” sounds like it gives you a random 1 drop every round, too, rather than just one at the end. So you probably get 2 guaranteed 1 drops plus the buff. Still doesn’t seem great, I agree. Maybe it’s supposed to be a finisher for Fizz/elusives or something.
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coldtaxi posted:Reaver’s Row says “grant”, so probably the buff is permanent, but I think you’re right that they have to be in play since it doesn’t say “1 drops everywhere”. So no strengthening the powder pandemonium monkey deck or making fearsome sand soldiers, sigh.
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Volunteer Elnuk already has people talking about a possible return of ezreal freeze elnuks. If you weren't around in beta it was a meta defining deck in its time which was much maligned due to games swinging on the rng of how many nuks landed on turn 5. Here's a decent representative example: https://clips.twitch.tv/SoftGeniusMallardSaltBae
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hit button posted:Volunteer Elnuk already has people talking about a possible return of ezreal freeze elnuks. If you weren't around in beta it was a meta defining deck in its time which was much maligned due to games swinging on the rng of how many nuks landed on turn 5. and much like swim in that video, I also concede when I have no chance of winning so I don't waste time dragging out lost games.
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https://twitter.com/PlayRuneterra/status/1409542108164235269 As everyone expected it looks like Ekko is gonna be focused on Predict in some way. Time Trick looks excellent.
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All four of those should see plenty of play.
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Am i imagining things or did a card with TimeWinder's ability already exist?
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Eeepies posted:Am i imagining things or did a card with TimeWinder's ability already exist? Statikk Shock draws a card instead of discarding one, but costs 4. Kinda weird that the wording is ever so slightly different between them though.
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Does Timewinder let you target the same target twice? I think so, right? It's like a splittable Mystic Shot, yeah?
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https://twitter.com/PlayRuneterra/status/1409904492871487489 Okay yeah I'm in on this crazy bastard.
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I guess you have to run him with Chirean Posse (feels bad that you cant really be in SI but at least you still get iterative improvement). He's so fragile and you have to sink so much mana into predicting that you can't really play normal cards.
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P&Z has enough draw that you don't really need the Predict.
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I'm thinking you'll need at least five predicts.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7CdWh6rXRI edit: actual notes - https://playruneterra.com/en-us/news/game-updates/patch-2-11-0-notes/ Pilchenstein fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Jun 29, 2021 |
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Uhhhhhh... holy poo poo read those notes you guys.
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Wow well this should shake the meta up
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No Wave posted:While we're talking about balance changes boy I would like to see the make it rain nerf reverted.
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I'm excited for the boatload of changes, I'm excited that this feels very responsive to the tears after the last balance mini-patch, I'm excited for LoR constructed EDIT: Swim is just melting down on stream, haha
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I'm not a fan of them nerfing the discard 2 draw 2 by making it also cost 2 mana, but it's probably a good way to knee-cap Draven decks ability to find good cards. Also like, 8 of those changes were un-nerfs, including Tryndamere of all things.
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Riot casually dropping a bomb on the meta. I think every top tier deck has been hit with nerfs? Ionia and Bilgewater buffs? Will of Ionia at 4 mana? This is a huge patch.
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This is a nerf to Riven, isn't it?
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Kris xK posted:This is a nerf to Riven, isn't it?
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No Wave posted:No, the patch note was written wrong. Read the card next to the note instead. Ah thank you I was super confused
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jimmydalad posted:Riot casually dropping a bomb on the meta. I think every top tier deck has been hit with nerfs? Depends on your definition of top tier - it's either "yes" or "everyone but the shurima/frejlord overwhelm deck" but yeah poo poo's gonna be fun for a bit.
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