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Explosionface
May 30, 2011

We can dance if we want to,
we can leave Marle behind.
'Cause your fiends don't dance,
and if they don't dance,
they'll get a Robo Fist of mine.


Imagined posted:

I've never met an engineer type IRL who didn't seem to believe that they were the only competent engineer alive, and particularly that whoever touched the thing before them was especially incompetent, possibly evil.

Other engineers aren't the enemy, salespeople are the enemy. Especially when they make us cobble together untested systems and we take the blame when they don't work.

My view of other engineers tends to be that they're trying to overcomplicate things that can get by being simple.

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Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

CuriousMarc is a Youtuber who is a big fan of HP gear of that vintage, and does similar tear downs and repairs.

Unlike Dave he's not an insufferable gobshite.

azurite
Jul 25, 2010

Strange, isn't it?!


3D Megadoodoo posted:

The best interaction I've had with an engineer was with one who kept calling me and asking about the stuff he was working with. One time I told him I had no idea what some doo-dad was like, as we'd never had it in stock, and he got mad and said I was supposed to know so I said "no, you're the engineer responsible for this system, you're supposed to know" and he stopped calling me. (Just for clarification: he was supposed to know, it was his loving system.)

e: This also illustrates why I'm not in sales.

Software developers do the same with me. "Hey, can you tell me what this stack trace means?"

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Sweevo posted:

CuriousMarc is a Youtuber who is a big fan of HP gear of that vintage, and does similar tear downs and repairs.

Unlike Dave he's not an insufferable gobshite.

I brought him up before and some goon had some sort of weird complaint about him, don't remember what it was because it didn't make any sense.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Cojawfee posted:

I brought him up before and some goon had some sort of weird complaint about him, don't remember what it was because it didn't make any sense.

He has access to all sorts of hardware I'm jealous of!

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Sweevo posted:

CuriousMarc is a Youtuber who is a big fan of HP gear of that vintage, and does similar tear downs and repairs.

Unlike Dave he's not an insufferable gobshite.

He's also quite literally an OG. Not one of the OGs, but guy's been around computers and tech on a professional level since the 80s iirc and has a wealth of first and second hand experience using a lot of vintage equipment. He's even an Intel Fellow too.

Basically guy has credibility out the rear end and if anyone's turned off by his thick accent (French born and raised ESL speaker), I highly suggest sticking through it anyways because there is almost no one uploading to youtube with more history and experience in the vintage tech world than him.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

His last few videos repairing a similar HP computer have been great for that.
"We have some problems with this weird add-in board. Fortunately, we also have the original blueprints, and can video chat with the guy that designed it".
"In the videos we've done about this machine, we keep referring to the product catalog press photo of it (and a rack of stuff), with a guy in very fancy 70's pants. We found the guy, and he worked his way up to head metrologist at Keysight. Let's talk to him".

Computer viking has a new favorite as of 23:23 on Jul 3, 2021

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Yeah he's really cool. He gets into the nitty gritty and reverse engineers circuits to figure out why a board isn't working. And don't forget to check out his Apollo Guidance Computer series because it's really good.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
That's cool as poo poo.

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.
It's the pipe that truly makes it, imo.

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free

this image has an incredible aesthetic to it

like non grungy cyberpunk

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

the pipe is largely an extension of his beard

mlnhd
Jun 4, 2002

a black executive in 70s? 80s?

Hokkaido Anxiety
May 21, 2007

slub club 2013

mlnhd posted:

a black executive in 70s? 80s?

An executive who handles their own calls?

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

it's a fuckin deck. Like 1 step away from cyberdecks

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


SniperWoreConverse posted:

it's a fuckin deck. Like 1 step away from cyberdecks

gently caress I want a retro cyberpunk game focused on phreaking now.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Code Jockey posted:

this image has an incredible aesthetic to it

like non grungy cyberpunk

-snip-

edit: na might be construed as racist

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
Tell me that thing didn't have leds it had that vacuum tube display module like old credit card terminals

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


SniperWoreConverse posted:

Tell me that thing didn't have leds it had that vacuum tube display module like old credit card terminals

Nixies or VFDs?

JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS
It looks very much like a Radio Shack Pocket Computer PC-2, but it’s not. Perhaps a Sharp or Casio version of the same idea?




http://oldcomputers.net/trs80pc2.html

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmBLsKV7Sx0

This guy talks about this a bit.

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.

JnnyThndrs posted:

It looks very much like a Radio Shack Pocket Computer PC-2, but it’s not. Perhaps a Sharp or Casio version of the same idea?




http://oldcomputers.net/trs80pc2.html

Supposedly a Panasonic RL-H1400 with an acoustic modem attachment. Had other (hot-swappable!) modules too:



The "RCA" attribution on the photo is confusing though.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

mlnhd posted:

a black executive in 70s? 80s?

80s.

And well yeah laughable with how likely that was in the real world, tech in the 80s was honestly weirdly up on being inclusive in their advertising. Lots of women and POCs - there was even an ad/a series of ads done by IBM iirc for the PC Jr that revolved entirely around a black family owning one and using it (despite it still being ludicrously expensive compared to basically any other home targeted computer). Dad uses it for work, the son uses it for school/games, mom uses it for household management, etc.

stevewm
May 10, 2005

Cojawfee posted:

Yeah he's really cool. He gets into the nitty gritty and reverse engineers circuits to figure out why a board isn't working. And don't forget to check out his Apollo Guidance Computer series because it's really good.

His series on restoring a Xerox Alto is a fantastic watch. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YupOC_6bfMI) It features the inventor of Ethernet and co-founders of 3Com in one episode. It was definitely a machine ahead of its time.

His restorations of old teletypes are also interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NuvwndwYSY

Rap Game Goku
Apr 2, 2008

Word to your moms, I came to drop spirit bombs


SniperWoreConverse posted:

it's a fuckin deck. Like 1 step away from cyberdecks

I'm on my phone so, no pictures. But look up the old MSX computers out of Japan. In the 80s when cyberpunk was forming, basing your future tech off what Japan was doing at the time is pretty reasonable.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Wacky Delly posted:

I'm on my phone so, no pictures. But look up the old MSX computers out of Japan. In the 80s when cyberpunk was forming, basing your future tech off what Japan was doing at the time is pretty reasonable.

And yet you go there now and they all use fax machines like it's 1995.

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

Are they cool looking fax machines?

Rap Game Goku
Apr 2, 2008

Word to your moms, I came to drop spirit bombs


KillHour posted:

And yet you go there now and they all use fax machines like it's 1995.

They peaked in the 80s it's true.

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


Fax is the superior technology, why downgrade

A Pack of Kobolds
Mar 23, 2007



Wacky Delly posted:

I'm on my phone so, no pictures. But look up the old MSX computers out of Japan. In the 80s when cyberpunk was forming, basing your future tech off what Japan was doing at the time is pretty reasonable.

Cyberdecks are always VIC-20s in my mind.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

KillHour posted:

And yet you go there now and they all use fax machines like it's 1995.

I kind of get it in a country that uses complicated characters and has a huge focus on handwriting and calligraphy - writing on paper probably feels better.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

KillHour posted:

And yet you go there now and they all use fax machines like it's 1995.
Lol when some US/British developer was asked to Fax The Source Code over the Nintendo of Japan.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



A Pack of Kobolds posted:

Cyberdecks are always VIC-20s in my mind.
MSXes are similar but look cooler.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

😌Finally, an avatar the describes my love of tech❤️‍💻, my love of anime💖🎎, and why I'll never see a real girl 🙆‍♀️naked😭.

I work in UCaaS, and without fail when we're setting up, someone will ask how they get their thirty year old fax machine onto our network. If it weren't for that and overhead paging units, we would have maybe 25% fewer tickets.

SavageMessiah
Jan 28, 2009

Emotionally drained and spookified

Toilet Rascal

KillHour posted:

gently caress I want a retro cyberpunk game focused on phreaking now.

Blue boxes, modems, and old issues of 2600 :allears:

I want it

tight aspirations
Jul 13, 2009

SavageMessiah posted:

Blue boxes, modems, and old issues of 2600 :allears:

I want it

One puzzle has you whistling at exactly 2600hz into your mic. I remember reading all about phreaking from random text files and maybe the Anarchists Cookbook and thinking that all sounded so cool and hackery.

Rap Game Goku
Apr 2, 2008

Word to your moms, I came to drop spirit bombs


Zereth posted:

MSXes are similar but look cooler.

Yup:

YerDa Zabam
Aug 13, 2016



Wacky Delly posted:

I'm on my phone so, no pictures. But look up the old MSX computers out of Japan. In the 80s when cyberpunk was forming, basing your future tech off what Japan was doing at the time is pretty reasonable.

Always had a nerd boner for MSXs. They still look amazing.

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KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Computer viking posted:

I kind of get it in a country that uses complicated characters and has a huge focus on handwriting and calligraphy - writing on paper probably feels better.

Typing kanji is much faster. It's more about having a physical paper trail and a very conservative mindset around changing how business is done.

See also: 判子

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_(East_Asia)#Japanese_usage

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