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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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Nomyth posted:I'm also big hot for the 2.5T and this is making it easier to not think about other more powerful cars in the class, but: Unless the Polo becomes an SUV there’s no chance it comes to the US
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Jul 7, 2021 14:39
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the polo will never ever ever ever come to the US because it won't sell, at all
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Jul 7, 2021 15:31
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The US is cursed to not have that many small fun cars because of our big fat asses and our perception of small cars as being "cheap" and thus conveying less status upon the driver. Also maybe you'll get pasted by someone in a Tahoe running a red light?
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Jul 7, 2021 16:00
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The fact they cancelled the regular golf means not a chance in hell for polo GTI, way too much investment to federalize that. 
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Jul 7, 2021 16:14
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Was the new Golf R still not on the way, though?
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Jul 7, 2021 19:22
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new golf R and GTI are a go but the base golf didn't sell so its dead. the GTI sold in similar numbers to the base Golf at worst, and for sure way better excluding fleet sales, and i am sure that margins are substantially higher.
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Jul 7, 2021 19:33
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:new golf R and GTI are a go but the base golf didn't sell so its dead. the GTI sold in similar numbers to the base Golf at worst, and for sure way better excluding fleet sales, and i am sure that margins are substantially higher. Kinda weird but it makes sense
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Jul 7, 2021 19:40
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What base model small cars aren't dead now anyways...Corolla & Civic? RIP Focus & Fiesta
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Jul 7, 2021 20:17
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you're now talking about full carlines - all of the Fiesta and Focus are dead, not just the base models. the Golf is the only one I can think of off hand where an OEM killed low end and kept high end - but it was also one of the few cars where the high end outsold the low end. mini will still sell you their poo poo, and I think you can get a Spark still
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Jul 7, 2021 20:25
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Mazda 3? Kind of a shame they stopped doing the Focus for North America because the latest model is excellent. Can you still get the Kia Rio in the USA? My mother law just got one and it surprisingly okay for the price.
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Jul 7, 2021 20:26
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dissss posted:Can you still get the Kia Rio in the USA? My mother law just got one and it surprisingly okay for the price. In Canada at least you can still get a rio, forte, elantra, and accent I'm pretty sure. Forte5 SX Turbo and Elantra GT N-Line are both hot hatches too as far as I'm concerned.
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Jul 7, 2021 21:47
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for hatches in the US, you can still get
Only three of those listed above have a hot hatch option. I'll be taking bets on which one dies next.
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Jul 7, 2021 22:18
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Hopefully the Corolla GR makes that four. Mazda could make it five by adding a manual and LSD option to the Mazda 3 Turbo.
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Jul 7, 2021 22:20
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Man I wouldn't mind a Mk. 8 but holy poo poo that infotainment is absolutely awful. I'd hope for a mid generation refresh but that seems unlikely.
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Jul 7, 2021 22:35
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A mid cycle refresh isn’t that unlikely, but I’d be surprised if it resulted in less capacitive touch stuff.
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Jul 7, 2021 23:08
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They can keep that but give me a knob or two. Having to swipe to change volume on the wheel seems awful.
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Jul 8, 2021 04:28
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It's at the point where we need laws saying certain functions in a car need to be controlled with physical buttons. So far I'm pretty happy with my mk7.5, it has a lot more buttons than my civic had.
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Jul 8, 2021 04:42
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Aircon and radio volume should always be real buttons (also preference to like driving dynamic stuff like traction control too being buttons) and all the multimedia poo poo can be touch screen because 99% of the time I drive with the screen completely off. The loving Tesla precedent of just a single gently caress off big iPad is the worst god drat thing. Also capacitive touch steering wheel buttons are the dumbest loving things, nubs and textures allow you to differentiate while focused on the road which is the whole drat point of steering wheel buttons!!! Wheels should just have an option to disable all buttons tbh. They were better before they got poo poo added to them, like dumb pesky airbags. (This last bit was exaggeration in case it wasn’t obvious, but I am an old man yelling at clouds about poo poo going too far) The only good modern tech whatever thing are backup cameras and I was very anti them too at first, but living with modern cars with ridiculous C/D pillars they are kind of actually helpful
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Jul 8, 2021 05:25
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Ok Comboomer posted:Is a 10th Gen Civic Sport a hot hatch? Warm hatch? Well, regardless, it’s currently the #1 contender because that transmission + engine combo is excellent and so easy to live with Choosing between a low mile 2018 Civic Sport and an equally low mile CPO 2018 Mazda3 Hatch. $100 difference between the two. The Civic Sport’s essentially an LX base model with a better engine and shocks. Infotainment’s poo poo/nonexistent and replacing it borks your rearview camera. The transmission is better and the brake hold implementation is marvelous. The seats and surfaces are poo poo. Overall the car seems harder wearing and more utilitarian. The Mazda3 is a Grand Touring trim, so it’s a way nicer place to be than the Honda. Real leather, heated seats, fancy Bose (lol) radio, all the Mazda Sensing poo poo. Obviously it drives like a Mazda3, which is to say very good, but it doesn’t quite reach the Civic. The manual transmission’s excellent but I prefer the Civic’s, and I’d rather be stuck in traffic with the Civic’s transmission/engine combo. But I’d rather be sat in the Mazda’s interior. From a depreciation/current value standpoint (lmao) it seems like you’re getting way more value for money with the Mazda. Alternatively, the Honda’s retained its value much better. Regardless, you’re paying way closer to sticker price on the base-to-mid Honda than the top-trim (or close to top trim) Mazda. The Honda feels like the slightly better driver’s car, and the Mazda feels like the better touring car. It’s weird that brake hold seems to be making so much of a difference but I run the risk of spending a lot of time in traffic. Both cars feel like they have better manuals than the GTI, ironically enough
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Jul 8, 2021 15:49
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Everything you've said lines up with my experience of the two cars. The civic is also more practical than the Mazda 3 from a space/usability standpoint. The civic is also better if you plan on hooning it around or doing some light tuning. A quick flash can bring the sport up to/past Si numbers (though you're obviously missing bits like the LSD & active suspension). It's also cheaper to maintain than the 3 due to sheer sales volume. The Mazda is way nicer but that's about it, they aren't really even trying to compete in the same space as the civic anymore. There's some overlap between the 3 and Civic Touring but it ends there. Fart Car '97 fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Jul 8, 2021 |
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Jul 8, 2021 16:13
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Warbird posted:Man I wouldn't mind a Mk. 8 but holy poo poo that infotainment is absolutely awful. I'd hope for a mid generation refresh but that seems unlikely. It's inexcusable, they saw what happened with Honda and still thought that was a good idea.
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Jul 8, 2021 16:37
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Fart Car '97 posted:Everything you've said lines up with my experience of the two cars. The civic is also more practical than the Mazda 3 from a space/usability standpoint. The civic is also better if you plan on hooning it around or doing some light tuning. A quick flash can bring the sport up to/past Si numbers (though you're obviously missing bits like the LSD & active suspension). It's also cheaper to maintain than the 3 due to sheer sales volume. The answer is clear. Obviously I must buy a decade-old Civic for peanuts that I know won’t give me any trouble and drive it for 2-3 years until I can get my hands on either a Mk7 GTI for unstupid money or an 11th Gen Civic of some sort.
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Jul 8, 2021 16:56
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BlackMK4 posted:Hopefully the Corolla GR makes that four. Mazda could make it five by adding a manual and LSD option to the Mazda 3 Turbo. LSD + turbocharged version of the 7500rpm 2.0 from the ND2 Miata would be an awesome Mazdaspeed3. Never gonna happen. But would be cool.
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Jul 8, 2021 20:54
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Ok Comboomer posted:Choosing between a low mile 2018 Civic Sport and an equally low mile CPO 2018 Mazda3 Hatch. $100 difference between the two. I basically loving hated being in my civic after 3 years fwiw. Just not a comfortable place to be. And I had the better infotainment and seats. I can't speak to the Mazda though. What happened to getting a GTI?
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Jul 9, 2021 00:12
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prom candy posted:I basically loving hated being in my civic after 3 years fwiw. Just not a comfortable place to be. And I had the better infotainment and seats. I can't speak to the Mazda though. What happened to getting a GTI? This is exactly how I feel about my '18 Si, I really dislike being inside of it for longer than a few minutes at a time. Infotainment is a terribly old version of Android and extremely unresponsive, the AC controls are a menu deep but it often takes 10+ seconds for the menu to load after hitting the climate control button.
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Jul 9, 2021 02:00
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Ok Comboomer posted:Choosing between a low mile 2018 Civic Sport and an equally low mile CPO 2018 Mazda3 Hatch. $100 difference between the two. Take the Mazda 3, especially if it has the 2.5 over the 2.0. I loved my 2015 Touring. The technology is better, and the craftsmanship is there. It may be the same class as the Civic, but it sure feels more premium.
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Jul 9, 2021 02:30
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Ya if I had a stick in my 2.5 mazda3 I wouldn’t have ever sold it it was really great in so many ways.
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Jul 9, 2021 03:12
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Coolnezzz posted:This is exactly how I feel about my '18 Si, I really dislike being inside of it for longer than a few minutes at a time. Infotainment is a terribly old version of Android and extremely unresponsive, the AC controls are a menu deep but it often takes 10+ seconds for the menu to load after hitting the climate control button. Yeah, even though most of my interaction with the infotainment was CarPlay it was still lovely because it was so slow to register touches and swipes. I pretty much just always put the climate control on auto because that touch menu was so slow and unresponsive. And god forbid if you want to jump around between like radio and carplay because there's no dedicated buttons for anything. I'm surprised there were no major aftermarket alternatives given what a popular car it is and how much everyone hates the infotainment.
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Jul 9, 2021 03:26
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Our jeep has the climate control settings buried in the slow touchscreen. I will absolutely refuse to buy a vehicle if it has a setup like that. The FiST has real buttons and a responsive touchscreen, but I still wouldn’t consider it if I couldn’t control where the air went with a physical button.
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Jul 9, 2021 03:35
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prom candy posted:Yeah, even though most of my interaction with the infotainment was CarPlay it was still lovely because it was so slow to register touches and swipes. I pretty much just always put the climate control on auto because that touch menu was so slow and unresponsive. And god forbid if you want to jump around between like radio and carplay because there's no dedicated buttons for anything. I'm surprised there were no major aftermarket alternatives given what a popular car it is and how much everyone hates the infotainment. It is pretty loving dire. Apparently you can replace the stock climate control panel with an older one that has a temperature readout, knobs, and fan buttons though wiring mismatches mean you lose the ability to toggle the dual zone climate control. I also love the fact that CarPlay keeps grabbing the focus when I'm listening to the radio though it's hard to tell if that's a Honda problem or an Apple problem.
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Jul 9, 2021 03:39
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Sounds like the answer is: buy the Mazda, tune the 2.5 into something more fun.
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Jul 9, 2021 03:44
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prom candy posted:I basically loving hated being in my civic after 3 years fwiw. Just not a comfortable place to be. And I had the better infotainment and seats. I can't speak to the Mazda though. What happened to getting a GTI? GTIs are really overpriced comparatively speaking in my area, and every time that I see one that I actually feel good about buying it’s a 2017 Sport with like 40k-60k miles that somebody wants like $25 grand for. I don’t want to play into corporate stereotypes, but I just don’t feel right paying 90% of the new retail price, or closer to $30k than 20k, for a four year old German car that no longer has warranty coverage and may/may not have been hooned. Like, I know that something like a Civic will be relatively trustworthy and fine with a pedigree like that (not the price, obviously), but I don’t have the same illusions about a GTI. Like even on VWvortex nobody’s ever like “oh yeah 60k miles that car’s a puppy it’s just getting started, drive it without fear dude!” And then you’re getting into the fact that you’re spending “new car” money on a pre-facelift Mk 7 when the Mk 8’s around the corner, and it just kinda soured me on the GTI for now. I’d rather wait 2-3 years and hopefully spend less money on a newer model year car, or even like the same amount of money, but just for something less comparatively old. Civics are also really overpriced if they’re desirable/rare (hatchbacks are fetching like a $2-4k premium over sedans, and every Sport with a manual that isn’t beat is commanding $20 grand or more (we’re talking like 2018s with 40k miles retailing for within $1k of the msrp when new) but at least they’re cheaper in general. And then you get to Mazda3s, and those got big refreshes in 2019 (to make them worse), so you can get 2017-2018s in Touring Trim for $16k all day long. Grand Touring for $17-19 if you’re patient. CPO Grand Touring for $20. Like there’s just no comparison with how much more car you get for the money right now.
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Jul 9, 2021 06:42
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Yall are saying a lot of words when the real answer is buy a FiST for 14k and drive it into the ground
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Jul 9, 2021 12:51
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SeaGoatSupreme posted:Yall are saying a lot of words when the real answer is buy a FiST for 14k and drive it into the ground gently caress me that's a lot of money for those things
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Jul 9, 2021 14:12
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I was looking at Chevy SSs and they currently sell at their MSRP. Weird to see a non-Tacoma with no depreciation.
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Jul 9, 2021 15:08
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:gently caress me that's a lot of money for those things I mean, isn't this accurate for every used car right now?
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Jul 9, 2021 15:45
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Ok Comboomer posted:The answer is clear. Obviously I must buy a decade-old Civic for peanuts that I know won’t give me any trouble and drive it for 2-3 years until I can get my hands on either a Mk7 GTI for unstupid money or an 11th Gen Civic of some sort. Actually a p good move. The 9th gen Si is extremely fun
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Jul 9, 2021 15:45
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Coolnezzz posted:This is exactly how I feel about my '18 Si, I really dislike being inside of it for longer than a few minutes at a time. Infotainment is a terribly old version of Android and extremely unresponsive, the AC controls are a menu deep but it often takes 10+ seconds for the menu to load after hitting the climate control button. Jesus Christ, gently caress that. More and more used cars are going to suck rear end, and there's gonna be a ten year or more period of "old touch screen cars" that nobody wants because of poo poo like that. You can try to pry my mechanical climate controls from my cold dead hands 
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Jul 9, 2021 15:59
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MrLogan posted:I was looking at Chevy SSs and they currently sell at their MSRP. Weird to see a non-Tacoma with no depreciation. most of those needed a rebate to get off the lot in the first place. prices have definitely been hosed up on them for 2+ years
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Jul 9, 2021 16:03
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Coolnezzz posted:This is exactly how I feel about my '18 Si, I really dislike being inside of it for longer than a few minutes at a time. Infotainment is a terribly old version of Android and extremely unresponsive, the AC controls are a menu deep but it often takes 10+ seconds for the menu to load after hitting the climate control button. I have none of these problems with my 2020.
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Jul 9, 2021 17:02
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