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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It's canon in The Next Generation that they reenact it every time on a set with staff playing the parts of the crew, as seen in that episode where Wesley makes friends with the blue guy who needs to breathe from a tiny smoke machine. That's not the Kobayashi Maru, it's a recreation of literally each applicant's greatest fear that somehow they can determine and perfectly reenact. I'm pretty sure that episode was quietly shuffled out of canon behind the scenes. If Starfleet was as selective as shown in said ep, no way they would have the numbers shown later in the series. Not to mention that such tests would never allow someone like Barclay through.
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Picard got his academia friends to just gently caress with Wesley. He could have just gone to earth and got in, but was convinced he had to go through all these "tests".
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Jul 14, 2021 16:45
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I want to see them run that test and get it wrong, like the candidate goes through it and doesn't even hesitate or spook at the situation just powers right through. "We thought this was your greatest fear?" "Nah, I worked through that years ago. Worked on it, accepted it, all that jazz." I think early on Roddenberry had a notion that Starfleet was this intensely selective organization, and people in it had these massively long careers with little to no attrition. Plus, with a post-scarcity civilization, you had the resources to spend on things like elaborate trial simulations and double-blind evaluations of a candidate's 'greatest fears' or whatever. So out of the teeming trillions of persons in the Federation, and membership in Starfleet being so prestigious, there was assumed to be TONS of applicants, then the cream of that was selected out which was still a ton of people, and then pick the 1 of 4 that's the best-of-the-best and STILL have a deep bench of candidates. But then they needed characters like Barclay and like hell he's making it through anything tougher than a scantron.
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Jul 14, 2021 17:23
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Maybe he started out an exemplary officer but over time developed debilitating neuroses from being constantly subjected to horrifying space phenomena that made him relive his death in a time loop or turned him inside out or made him a giant spider. Maybe starfleet needs so many people all the time because they just run through people all the time from all the horrible stuff on every planet. That's something I never really tracked: are the ships on the Star Trek series supposed to be running into exceptionally unusual situations every week, or is their experience typical of what every ship goes through in the Star Trek universe? Sometimes someone on one of the 90s shows will talk about the legendary Captain Kirk and his famous adventures, but then there's a whole book of rules about what you're supposed to do if you end up going back in time.
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Jul 14, 2021 17:34
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I liked Barclay's arc as a Holosuite expert.
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Jul 14, 2021 17:34
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The impression I always got was that the Enterprise was on the front lines of the weird poo poo. Like, yeah, there are space stations that get turned into Mayan temples or a colony that’s on a planet that turned out to be a turtle egg, but most people don’t ever experience anything like that, or maybe have a once-in-a-lifetime brush with craziness. The Enterprise, being on the cutting edge and pushing the boundaries of the final frontier, saw that kind of poo poo exponentially more often than anyone else. I think it helps to keep in mind the scope of the galaxy. We’re talking about what? Tens of thousands of colonies? Millions? Tens of millions? A few anomalies are pretty insignificant if you take that into account.
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Jul 14, 2021 17:42
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:
I think its more that the Enterprise experiences the real weird poo poo because they are going into the unknown, uncharted ect. Other ships do encounter weird poo poo, that's why the rules are there but ships like the USS Hood that just shuttle people around and bring diplomats around. But since its space and poo poo happens, here some rules just in case.
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Jul 14, 2021 17:47
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Not sure if it's in a book or short story but I really like the Kobayashi Maru test where a famously tactically ruthless Captain had attempted the rescue the Maru but when the enemy ships appear and start aggressive action he blows up the Maru whose warp core explosion takes out an enemy ship or two and manages to brawl his way out of the situation. His reasoning being that it's obviously a trap after it's been sprung and either the Maru is a disguised enemy ship or it's the legit Maru and everyone aboard is already dead.
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Jul 14, 2021 18:02
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I finally watched Hamburger: the Motion Picture, and it's aged horribly in basically every way possible. Highly recommended if you like hollaring at lovely old comedies. The best I can say is that the characters are all adults and there's only one f slur.
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Jul 14, 2021 18:08
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El Spamo posted:I want to see them run that test and get it wrong, like the candidate goes through it and doesn't even hesitate or spook at the situation just powers right through. Star Fleet is a place for the idle rich to put their spoilt fail-sons so they can go and play spacemen by blowing up a gas cloud or sleeping their way around the nymphomania quadrant.
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Jul 14, 2021 18:44
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Phylodox posted:The impression I always got was that the Enterprise was on the front lines of the weird poo poo. Like, yeah, there are space stations that get turned into Mayan temples or a colony that’s on a planet that turned out to be a turtle egg, but most people don’t ever experience anything like that, or maybe have a once-in-a-lifetime brush with craziness. The Enterprise, being on the cutting edge and pushing the boundaries of the final frontier, saw that kind of poo poo exponentially more often than anyone else. And yet, as reviewers and podcasters love pointing out, it’s amazing just how often the Enterprise, the flagship of Starfleet, gets roped so often into serving as a glorified Uber for alien diplomats or whatever only to run into weird poo poo. It’s like if anytime a head of state wanted to visit the US the latter would have Air Force One pick them up.
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Jul 14, 2021 18:51
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Twitch posted:I finally watched Hamburger: the Motion Picture, and it's aged horribly in basically every way possible. Highly recommended if you like hollaring at lovely old comedies. The best I can say is that the characters are all adults and there's only one f slur. Why did you watch Hamburger: The Motion Picture?
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Jul 14, 2021 18:54
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Most Sci-fi silly and campy. He’ll look at star trek before it’s modern action turn
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Jul 14, 2021 18:55
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Pastry of the Year posted:Why did you watch Hamburger: The Motion Picture? I dream of one day watching Hamburger: The Motion Picture
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Jul 14, 2021 18:59
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AceOfFlames posted:And yet, as reviewers and podcasters love pointing out, it’s amazing just how often the Enterprise, the flagship of Starfleet, gets roped so often into serving as a glorified Uber for alien diplomats or whatever only to run into weird poo poo. Do we not send our Enterprise carrier ships to pick up foreign heads of state in the 21st century? 
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Jul 14, 2021 19:00
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Iron Crowned posted:I dream of one day watching Hamburger: The Motion Picture Inferior to Hot Dog: The Movie imo.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:03
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Pastry of the Year posted:Why did you watch Hamburger: The Motion Picture? "80s boob comedy at a fast food manager training school" was a premise I couldn't resist.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:14
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quote:I'm still trying to figure out how Barclay passed the Starfleet Academy entrance exam psych eval. The Academy proctors made Wesley think he left someone to die, just for chance to enter Starfleet Academy. quote:A comedy of errors where Barclay is tipped off by an upperclassman that he might get thrown a surprise exam Kobayashi Maru and if something super intense and scary happens, just assume it's a simulation. A bunch of actual crises occur on campus, and he greets and conquers each one with the decisive poise and assuredness of a holodeck power fantasy.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:16
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MariusLecter posted:Not sure if it's in a book or short story but I really like the Kobayashi Maru test where a famously tactically ruthless Captain had attempted the rescue the Maru but when the enemy ships appear and start aggressive action he blows up the Maru whose warp core explosion takes out an enemy ship or two and manages to brawl his way out of the situation.
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Jul 14, 2021 19:25
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the Virgin Reg Broccoli vs the Chad Miles O'Brien Barclay is a fine example of how intractable social anxiety is if even a world that's eliminated poverty can't fix it
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Jul 14, 2021 20:02
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Pastry of the Year posted:Why did you watch Hamburger: The Motion Picture? Maybe they’re a huge Bears fan and it’s their mission to watch every movie with Dick Butkus.
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Jul 14, 2021 20:13
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Twitch posted:"80s boob comedy at a fast food manager training school" was a premise I couldn't resist. I can dig it. The New York Times, reviewing an 80s boob comedy posted:If the Food and Drug Administration labeled movies, the warning on ''Hamburger'' might be that it is likely to cause heartburn. This hamburger-handed movie, which opened yesterday at the RKO Warner and other theaters, takes place at Busterburger University, where aspiring Busterburger franchisers learn everything there is to know about bulls and buns, customers and ketchup. 
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Jul 14, 2021 21:05
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Inferior to Hot Dog: The Movie imo. TV Guide posted:Student sexcapades not to be confused with "Hot Dog...The Movie."
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Jul 14, 2021 21:08
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I'd never heard of either of these movies but looking them up I found out that Hot Dog...The Movie was directed by the guy who did Youngblood so clearly it must be better, because Youngblood owns
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Twitch posted:"80s boob comedy at a fast food manager training school" was a premise I couldn't resist.
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I am inordinately fond of the unnecessary ellipsis in the title Hot Dog ... The Movie It appears to be about skiing instead of hot dogs, smdh
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Jul 14, 2021 21:20
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Pastry of the Year posted:I am inordinately fond of the unnecessary ellipsis in the title Hot Dog ... The Movie I assume the titular "Hot Dog ... " is supposed to be a person who performs stunts, which used to be referred to as hot dogging. quote:INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
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Jul 14, 2021 21:35
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AceOfFlames posted:That's not the Kobayashi Maru, it's a recreation of literally each applicant's greatest fear that somehow they can determine and perfectly reenact. It could easily be hand-waved that it determines if you are eligible to the command track (the red suit) or not. Fail to cope with your fears, and you are destined to science, engineering, medicine and maybe become a captain of some smaller specialist or support vessel. But not a front-line duty on a war-capable one that might see some action. The show overlooks that aspect several times because it is a TV-show that needs intensity, but during the first TNG seasons the Galaxy-class itself is described as powerful enough that every idea of attacking one is deemed suicide mission. Obviously this was shitcanned when DS9 and the Dominion war happened and they started to blow up like British Leyland cars doing more than 80 kmh on a freeway.
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Jul 14, 2021 21:39
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Star Trek Lower Decks makes it clear that the weird poo poo happens to all of the fleet.
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Jul 14, 2021 22:12
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DS9 really wanted to be literally anything but Star Trek.
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Jul 14, 2021 22:15
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packetmantis posted:DS9 really wanted to be literally anything but Star Trek. It was also competing at the time with Babylon 5, which had no luggage whatsoever from the earlier shows. And surprisingly, both ended up with a galaxy-wide war and how can you have war without meaningful casulties. And yes, I know that B5 was fully written by Straczynski as four season, 60 episodes or so story arc before even the first episode was filmed and he was forced to later split stuff and add filler episodes which started to show towards the end of the series.
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Jul 14, 2021 22:22
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Der Kyhe posted:It was also competing at the time with Babylon 5, which had no luggage whatsoever from the earlier shows. And surprisingly, both ended up with a galaxy-wide war and how can you have war without meaningful casulties. He had a 5season plan, but was told he would only get 4 seasons... Then they gave him a 5th season anyway!!
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Jul 14, 2021 22:29
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I never understood the people who bash DS9 for not being Star Trek because it mostly takes place in one place. It ran during the tail end and finished around the start of two trekking Star Treks.
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Jul 14, 2021 22:45
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I mean people do acknowledge DS9 is a pretty different type of trek but it’s also seen mostly favorably as a whole Though like most trek it has its flaws
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Jul 14, 2021 23:22
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean people do acknowledge DS9 is a pretty different type of trek but it’s also seen mostly favorably as a whole I mean, DS9 still had plenty of weird poo poo happen to it. It was handwaved as the weird poo poo coming to them because they are basically the border control office with the gamma quadrant. Also they would Trek into the gamma quadrant too frequently and explore it, which, you know, makes that complaint complete bullshit.
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Jul 14, 2021 23:43
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DS9 has an episode where they go on a more Enterprise kind of mission investigating a space anomaly that shrinks things and Kira can't take it seriously
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Jul 14, 2021 23:47
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DS9 is a great place to visit but I wouldn’t want to live there
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Jul 14, 2021 23:48
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oldpainless posted:DS9 is a great place to visit but I wouldn’t want to live there Well yeah, it was mostly dinked up mining colony starbase, whereas most of the Federation planets are utopia planets where there is no scarcity of any kind, the weather is always pleasant and you can do whatever you want for a living, and seek whatever fulfillment you need for your existence. And experience your weird kink things on a holosuite/deck.
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Jul 14, 2021 23:54
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I would want to try the Klingon Restaurant and some.of Quark's cocktails
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bunnyofdoom posted:I would want to try the Klingon Restaurant and some.of Quark's cocktails Sadly the Experience is long-gone 
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