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https://mobile.twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1419024997448884230 Which job does he have lined up already?
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Burgerville is awesome, I’m horribly allergic to dairy like, cramps rashes abdominal dysfunction, but I would have one Burgerville berry shake per year, because it’s just that good good [=“Strawberry Panda” post=“516456963”] Whenever I remember Zoran Dragic played for the Heat in shocked because I do not think I watched a minute of him playing. [/quote] I don’t remember if this is real or something that I just imagined, but I feel like there was a stretch for the heat were So injured that zoran was getting a lot of playing time and he was actually decent for like two weeks. That was the highlight of his NBA career, being a zero minutes per game guy usually. Zach lowe may have even written about it at some point.
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Jul 24, 2021 21:34
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Dejan Bimble posted:
I think it was literally one game at the end of the season: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dragizo01/gamelog/2015 But then he never played in the NBA again
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Jul 24, 2021 21:46
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I can’t believe Charles Boozer didn’t make into the league
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Jul 24, 2021 21:58
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https://towardsdatascience.com/which-nba-teams-are-best-at-drafting-20070ccd1702 This fellow attempted to quantify which teams have done well I would have done poorly in the draft over the last 12 years. Pretty good read [quote="“Lockback”" post="“516460040”"] I think it was literally one game at the end of the season: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dragizo01/gamelog/2015 But then he never played in the NBA again [/quote] I think you’re right, way to go, Zoran, way to get that bone
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Jul 24, 2021 22:05
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Dejan Bimble posted:https://towardsdatascience.com/which-nba-teams-are-best-at-drafting-20070ccd1702 Pretty surprised Charlotte ranks just slightly below average but I guess there’s less opportunity cost whiffing on the 11th pick over and over
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Jul 24, 2021 22:27
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What we really need to happen is all the Balls get on one team, all the Holidays get on another, and then both teams will need to a Lopez and an Antetokounmpo on the roster. Then play lineups with only those players against each other. Make it happen Bucks and Hornets.
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Jul 24, 2021 22:40
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Remember when the Suns were collecting all the least talented siblings
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Jul 24, 2021 22:45
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Spacebump posted:What we really need to happen is all the Balls get on one team, all the Holidays get on another, and then both teams will need to a Lopez and an Antetokounmpo on the roster. Then play lineups with only those players against each other. Put the plumlees on Charlotte too
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Jul 24, 2021 22:50
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WhyteRyce posted:Remember when the Suns were collecting all the least talented siblings
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Jul 24, 2021 22:53
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One of my favorite draft moments was Blake Griffins brother getting drafted in the same year but his family had already left the arena by then
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gloom posted:Are there still multiple Morrises in the league? Feels like they should be part of this brother team thing. Yep! One is in LA and the other is in... LA! There should also be a Porter Jr clause here since there are so many of them, even though they're enjoy related. Feel like we should include Portis Jr as well.
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Spacebump posted:What we really need to happen is all the Balls get on one team, all the Holidays get on another, and then both teams will need to a Lopez and an Antetokounmpo on the roster. Then play lineups with only those players against each other. Hornets also have the Martin twins and one of the McDaniels Trading Rozier for Lonzo to almost definitely makes Charlotte worse but just switching everything on defense would be fun
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Jul 24, 2021 23:02
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Dejan Bimble posted:https://towardsdatascience.com/which-nba-teams-are-best-at-drafting-20070ccd1702 The Cavs drafting is honestly a bigger travesty than the Browns over the same time period, and the browns basically have drafted well like 3 times in the last 15. Sexton and Irving are essentially the only good picks we’ve made, and Irving was a layup while Sexton was probably undervalued because of size. Otherwise? Bennett has claim to worst #1 ever. Garland could be good but didn’t make sense to draft with Sexton and probably has stunted his development. Okoro appears to be the second coming of Keith Bogans. Harris was arguably a good find but wasn’t developed by us. Sergey Karasev? Lol. Dion Waiters might honestly be the third best guy depending on what happens with Darius. Any of the good picks we find in the second or whatever just get traded.
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TheGreyGhost posted:The Cavs drafting is honestly a bigger travesty than the Browns over the same time period, and the browns basically have drafted well like 3 times in the last 15. Drafting Wiggins got you Kevin Love without having to play Wiggins, which seems like a win.
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I Before E posted:Drafting Wiggins got you Kevin Love without having to play Wiggins, which seems like a win. Yeah, I wish this adjusted for guys who played their first minute with the team vs who happened to hold the draft pick. The former is far more relavent.
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Jul 25, 2021 00:44
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Dejan Bimble posted:https://towardsdatascience.com/which-nba-teams-are-best-at-drafting-20070ccd1702 So their draftscore was a sliding metric based on the LEBRON stat. That stat itself is a weighted score of offensive/defensive player impact plus-minus which uses a methodology that was adjusted for 'luck'. https://www.bball-index.com/player-impact-plus-minus/ posted:The most clear example of this variance comes from opponent 3P%, which a team has relatively limited control over but can drastically shift how a team looks in raw ORTG and DRTG. I kind of disagree with measurements that do this. We already see that problem with other magnitude based projections in statistics. Either way, regardless of the legitimacy of the statistic, the article itself compares players LEBRON scores from selections before and after them. I think that in itself is a poor way to measure success at drafting. Not even taking into account the myriad of ways players could bust or be successful on other teams, it ignores players being surrounded by successful talent already. As in it's pretty easy for the Lakers to draft when they go from Kobe to Lebron with a bunch of high picks in between. It also tries to take into account GMs having limited picks, or later picks, but the author himself admits its a crappy metric in the dataset spreadsheet he provided.
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Jul 25, 2021 00:53
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Jul 25, 2021 01:22
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There should be an off-season competition to see who can create the most diabolical and nonsensical trade machine proposal
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They also had the Knicks as the 6th or 7th best drafting team. That’s insane to me (obi toppin, Knox, ntilikina, etc. almost none of their draft picks generated any value for them). I’m guessing most of their score comes from Mitchell Robinson, so it seems too weighted towards that. It needs some sort of Bayesian prior so that it doesn’t interpret good luck so meaningfully. They also had KAT as being the 3rd or 4th “best” draft pick, which doesn’t make any sense.
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Jul 25, 2021 01:25
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If your model for evaluating draft picks doesn’t have Anthony Bennett as the worst draft pick in the modern era, your model sucks.
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Dejan Bimble posted:https://towardsdatascience.com/which-nba-teams-are-best-at-drafting-20070ccd1702 Wexler/Kleiman at the top and Chris Wallace at the bottom. The agony and the ecstasy
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Jul 25, 2021 01:35
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JackBandit posted:They also had the Knicks as the 6th or 7th best drafting team. That’s insane to me (obi toppin, Knox, ntilikina, etc. almost none of their draft picks generated any value for them). I’m guessing most of their score comes from Mitchell Robinson, so it seems too weighted towards that. It needs some sort of Bayesian prior so that it doesn’t interpret good luck so meaningfully. Didn't Frankie Smokes become halfway decent this year?
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Jul 25, 2021 01:42
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I don't quite understand the metrics here, but it's baffling to me that they consider the single best Suns draft pick in recent years to be Cam Johnson at #11 with a 2.24 score. I mean, he's done well for them so far...but that's head and shoulders above the 1.43 they gave for taking Booker as a #13 pick.
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Jul 25, 2021 02:00
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Jul 25, 2021 02:03
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I didn't read the methodology closely but I believe that guy adjusts pick value for player availability, so cam johnson gets a high value because he's a million times better than whoever was picked behind him, pj washingto I think
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dokmo posted:I didn't read the methodology closely but I believe that guy adjusts pick value for player availability, so cam johnson gets a high value because he's a million times better than whoever was picked behind him, pj washingto I think How is he a million times better than PJ Washington?
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JackBandit posted:They also had KAT as being the 3rd or 4th “best” draft pick, which doesn’t make any sense. The idea there is KAT was way better than the guys following him, so the Wolves get value for not loving up. It makes sense on one level (#8 in one year will have a different expected value than another) but it needs to be baselined against, like, Hollinger's draft board or something because it definitely gives a lot of credit when the pick was obvious (the model obviously doesn't know that).
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Porfiriato posted:I don't quite understand the metrics here, but it's baffling to me that they consider the single best Suns draft pick in recent years to be Cam Johnson at #11 with a 2.24 score. I mean, he's done well for them so far...but that's head and shoulders above the 1.43 they gave for taking Booker as a #13 pick. If I'm understanding, it's saying that of the players in the 2019 draft only Brandon Clark has had a better career than Cam Johnson and had not already come off the board when Cam was drafted. For the 2015 draft, when Booker was picked, Montrezl Harrell was still on the board, and by any advanced stat, Montrezl has had a much better career. It's worth pointing out that as far as advanced stats go, Richaun Holmes currently has a marginally better career than Booker. Now, anyone who watched basketball this year is gonna take Booker in a heartbeat over either of them, but it took Booker a long time to become an efficient scorer. Those first 2-3 seasons he was about at Andrew Wiggins level efficiency and had a bit higher usage rate, which is murder on advanced stats. Give it a couple years and he'll pass Montrezl I'm sure. It's an interesting approach to comparing drafts year over year, but it strikes me as something that needs full careers to make any kind of reasonable comparison.
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Carlosologist posted:There should be an off-season competition to see who can create the most diabolical and nonsensical trade machine proposal ESPN's trade machine won't let me involve more than 4 teams, is there a better one?
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three posted:How is he a million times better than PJ Washington? I dunno charges taken or something cool like that, I don't actually care since it's not my model
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I don't really see how that draft analysis is any better than just cherry picking guys a team COULD have had. It's basically the same reasoning but using a spreadsheet instead. I aint reading the whole methodology, but idk if it really passes the eyeball test to me. Like, Toronto has been the best at drafting since 2009? I don't think their track record over that time is anything to write home about. Meanwhile GSW is in the bottom half after drafting Steph, Klay, Draymond and Harrison Barnes in that time span.
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The Timberwolves are losing Evan turners $28 million. It looks like they have a lot of Space, anyone know what they are likely to do, what would you like to see them do?
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Dejan Bimble posted:The Timberwolves are losing Evan turners $28 million. It looks like they have a lot of Space, anyone know what they are likely to do, what would you like to see them do? They really don't have much. 131 in guaranteed contracts oh a cap of 112 and a tax of 136. They probably won't do anything beyond minimum fill ins unless they make some trades, and I'm guessing they do some trades. They won't go into the tax unless it's a solid playoff team though.
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Lockback posted:They really don't have much. 131 in guaranteed contracts oh a cap of 112 and a tax of 136. They probably won't do anything beyond minimum fill ins unless they make some trades, and I'm guessing they do some trades. They won't go into the tax unless it's a solid playoff team though. I am really bad at reading sporTrac Sucks to be capped up with such a bad team, but I guess we need to see what happens with potentially healthy Carl talents, D’Angelo, ant
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Dejan Bimble posted:I am really bad at reading sporTrac Last year was a beast on them too. I think they'll be in play for the play-in (which isn't what you want when your capped out either), Beasley looked really solid too. They have talent but they are really guard heavy.
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Hot Diggity! posted:VERY important update But the really important question here is... what was the flavor of the day?
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