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RareAcumen posted:
FF14 does have fall damage. Edit: I second the combat in Psychonauts. I really like the game and don't actually mind the combat but it seems superfluous - enemies die really quickly when you use the right power on them so there's very little actual challenge to it, it's just there because...I guess the first game had it? Even the powers you use are used elsewhere on the game so it's not like any of them would need to be removed if combat was gone. Morpheus has a new favorite as of 07:02 on Aug 28, 2021 |
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Fall damage should only apply to bad guys after I super kick them off a ledge.
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Aug 28, 2021 07:02
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Morpheus posted:FF14 does have fall damage. But you can't die from it, just reduces you to 1 HP at maximum damage if I'm not mistaken.
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Aug 28, 2021 07:03
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I knew I should've used Spider-Man as an example.
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Aug 28, 2021 07:39
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Skaven are some unfun bullshit to deal with in Total Warhammer 2. Their default move stance just gives them the ability to attack someone and ambush them. And they get access to the underway so they are not slowed down by terrain and can bypass impassible terrain. Then you fight them and they summon units from under you. Oh they got low leadership? Well my units don't really keep their leadership that well when the skaven can just call down the heavens and delete half the unit.
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Aug 28, 2021 07:58
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Zil posted:But you can't die from it, just reduces you to 1 HP at maximum damage if I'm not mistaken. 'Drop to 1 HP' is a method used for I think every MMO I've ever played, and it works really well. It means fall damage is basically just a slap on the wrist if you're just casually jumping off buildings in a non-combat zone (which is a disconcertingly common pastime in those games now I think about it), but means that it has weight if you tried to jump off a cliff to avoid enemies or something.
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Aug 28, 2021 08:06
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Gerblyn posted:I don’t think you take damage falling from a great height. You do take damage if you fall into a void and respawn on a platform, which I guess is what the option controls. Nah, I've definitely fallen and landed on my face a few times in Psychonauts 2, it just does a tiny amount of damage compared to enemies or stage hazards. It basically only happened to me when I ran out of levitation juice, so I couldn't tell if Raz goes into a helpless state like in Banjo-Kazooie after he starts screaming or if you can save it at that point by using levitation. Also can't say whether or not that menu option goes for both or only falling from a distance.
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Aug 28, 2021 08:11
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Retro Futurist posted:Killer7 is one of my top 5 games of all time but I absolutely understand why someone might hate it Every Suda51 game I've played has been an incredible, unique, spectacular experience that I would not change at all with some of the jankiest and shittiest actual gameplay of anything I've played. I played the Silver Case recently and the game part is obnoxiously slow, static screens that gain nothing by even being interactive with like 5 puzzles the whole game and 16 hours of text but I loved it.
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Aug 28, 2021 08:11
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Zil posted:But you can't die from it, just reduces you to 1 HP at maximum damage if I'm not mistaken. unless you're in combat, in which case fall damage can absolutely kill you
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Aug 28, 2021 08:16
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FFXIV Porn posted:unless you're in combat, in which case fall damage can absolutely kill you It's not the fall that hurts, it's when someone stabs you afterward
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Aug 28, 2021 09:17
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Skaven are some unfun bullshit to deal with in Total Warhammer 2. Their default move stance just gives them the ability to attack someone and ambush them. And they get access to the underway so they are not slowed down by terrain and can bypass impassible terrain. Also I have learned to not bother scouting far beyond my borders for trade partners or anything like that. Because what happens instead is that some jackass on the other side of the world will decide they want a piece of me and can come in from any direction with all the beach landings all over the place.  Last game these undead assholes from all the way on their island in the corner of the world decided they were gonna go through 3 other faction's lands to get at me.
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Aug 28, 2021 10:14
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Leal posted:Skaven are some unfun bullshit to deal with in Total Warhammer 2. Their default move stance just gives them the ability to attack someone and ambush them. And they get access to the underway so they are not slowed down by terrain and can bypass impassible terrain. It's a pity that the only way to have fun in strategy games is to have everyone unite against the player so you get to experience the extremely well balanced combat. It's not like there could be any enjoyment to be had playing ai factions off against each other. Now if you excuse me I have to go make Civilization VII.
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Aug 28, 2021 11:48
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You can turn off fall damage in Psychonauts 2 from the options menu at no penalty. Why that isn't the default I don't really know. Whats dragging me down is they still forgot to include a post-game item that points out where the figaments you're missing are because holy hell some of these levels are absolutely sprawling and missing 1 of 206 is just brutal.
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Aug 28, 2021 13:21
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Dragon Age: Inquisition has fall damage but not at your base so you can jump off the very top of your castle, scream as you hit the ground, and then run off like nothing. It’s great.
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Aug 28, 2021 13:21
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Rabbit Hill posted:(Don't even get me started on no longer being able to loving jump off a building in AC Syndicate.)
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Aug 28, 2021 14:05
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I can put up with fall damage in games, as long as its consistant. What I loathe are the games where this fall will do nothing, or at most about a third of your health bar, but that fall will just kill you outright from full health, despite them not appearing to be that different. Particularly if the actual path forward is to jump down a drop that looks pretty much exactly the same as the drops which kill you everywhere else in the game.
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Aug 28, 2021 14:25
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FFXIV Porn posted:unless you're in combat, in which case fall damage can absolutely kill you It's "fun" when you jump off a cliff expecting to survive with 1HP, just as an enemy notices you and puts you into combat
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Aug 28, 2021 14:29
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Fall damage can work well with decent level design, where height differences form a natural barrier that can passed with certain powers or paying the toll (taking damage). In open world games where the player can already go pretty much everywhere, it can be really annoying, especially if you are super powered or the tone is otherwise cartoonish.
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Aug 28, 2021 14:45
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Broke: fall damage Bespoke: your character making a character shaped crater in the ground after a fall and they climb out unharmed.
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Aug 28, 2021 15:22
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I've been playing a fair bit of Red Dead Online recently, which is a bit of a surprise considering how hard I bounced off of the singleplayer, but I guess everything is more fun when played with friends. More recently I unlocked a new type of activity that involves stealth missions, and I'm staggered by just how lazy the implementation of stealth gameplay is. There's not way to distract or lure enemies, there's no indication whether you're within sight of any of them, they can spot you right through dense foliage and occasionally even solid objects. Once even one does see you, every other enemy in the area is telepathically alerted and knows exactly where you are. It's the sort of half-assed approach I'd expect from some mid-budget or indie game, but this an AAA game, with stupid amounts of polish in other (rather superfluous) areas. Not just that, but it's a game about criminals getting up to crime poo poo, which traditionally does involve a fair bit of stealth and subterfuge, like the aforementioned stealth missions. At least it's nice enough to generally just let you shoot your way out if stealth fails, but even then it'll cut the rewards of the mission. Fake edit: Also the loving game keeps switching my weapons around for no reason 
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Aug 28, 2021 15:38
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Alexander Hamilton posted:Dragon Age: Inquisition has fall damage but not at your base so you can jump off the very top of your castle, scream as you hit the ground, and then run off like nothing. It’s great. In the world, fall damage does not apply if you're mounted. I've definitely used that as a shortcut. Summon horse, mount up, jump off cliff. All is fine. The only problem is that your horse (or stag, or weird horse-shaped reptile) does briefly fall over like they're hurt before getting up, and I feel bad.
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Aug 28, 2021 16:51
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10 Beers posted:The worst offender for this IMO is AC:Valhalla. You have to unlock the ability to do a leap of faith into a pile of hay/whatever from any place high up. Lol what? That is so stupid, the fall into the pile of hay has been a part of AC since like the very beginning.
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Aug 28, 2021 17:13
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The idea is that Eivor starts out as a graceless viking raider and has to learn the assassin ways from a bunch of effeminate middle eastern men, but like most plot threads in Valhalla this gets dropped the second she learns how to safe fall.
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Aug 28, 2021 17:19
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The funny thing is, there's also a tutorial for learning how to do that that I only stumbled upon 2/3 of the way through the game. It's like "do you have the courage to dive off this small hill?" Yeah dude, I've been doing it for 60 hours by now.
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Aug 28, 2021 17:25
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I don't mind fall damage, on its face, but The Witcher 3 and games like that take it to a ridiculous extreme.
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Aug 28, 2021 17:25
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I think I’m done with Hades. I really enjoyed the plot, art, writing, etc. and the combat was good. At first. I appreciate that the rogue-like element is integral to the plot but it’s reached the stage where I simply can’t be arsed fighting through the same enemies in the same stages for the zillionth time.
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Aug 28, 2021 18:38
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Robert J. Omb posted:I appreciate that the rogue-like element is integral to the plot but it’s reached the stage where I simply can’t be arsed fighting through the same enemies in the same stages for the zillionth time. That's how I feel about most rogue-like games.
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Aug 28, 2021 18:41
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Ugly In The Morning posted:When did everyone decide they hated fall damage? That feels like it’s been since like 2018 or so. Since Mario 64. Philippe posted:In Odyssey, you are also incentivized to level up, because at a certain level you don't take fall damage anymore. The moment in Odyssey where Kassandra hits that breakpoint where fall damage no longer applies to her is glorious. I'm an unstoppable force of nature, why the hell should I care about your mortal things like fall damage? I've got cultists to stab and Spartans to kick off of buildings, I don't have time to be taking fall damage.
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Aug 28, 2021 18:48
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Barudak posted:Whats dragging me down is they still forgot to include a post-game item that points out where the figaments you're missing are because holy hell some of these levels are absolutely sprawling and missing 1 of 206 is just brutal. Yeah I finished the 3rd level and was missing 1 figment and was like "ah, that's a part of Psychonauts I remember but wish had been forgotten". I'm hoping it was beyond the grapple point I found that needs a skill to reach, just got that skill so if I do fancy getting all of them I can just go get it.
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Aug 28, 2021 18:48
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this bullshit right here
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Aug 28, 2021 23:31
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gohuskies posted:Lol what? That is so stupid, the fall into the pile of hay has been a part of AC since like the very beginning. You start able to make big jumps into hay/water/etc safely, you just don't do the AC trademark dive form with the eagle (aka red tailed hawk) call until then.
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Aug 29, 2021 01:06
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I started playing Conker's Bad Fur Day on Rare Replay for the first time since the N64. Ignoring the humor not hitting the same when I'm not an early teenager, holy gently caress are the camera and controls awful. I played Banjo-Kazooie recently and it still felt solid. Conker is a mess.
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Aug 29, 2021 01:27
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Shiroc posted:I started playing Conker's Bad Fur Day on Rare Replay for the first time since the N64. Ignoring the humor not hitting the same when I'm not an early teenager, holy gently caress are the camera and controls awful. I played Banjo-Kazooie recently and it still felt solid. Conker is a mess. To be fair with the Banjo-Kazooie port it seems like they put some effort into improving it. And yes, Conker is comparatively unplayable.
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Aug 29, 2021 01:36
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Shiroc posted:I started playing Conker's Bad Fur Day on Rare Replay for the first time since the N64. Ignoring the humor not hitting the same when I'm not an early teenager, holy gently caress are the camera and controls awful. I played Banjo-Kazooie recently and it still felt solid. Conker is a mess. N64 games are incredibly hard to revisit. Back then, the novelty of 3D made folks overlook a ton of lovely stuff.
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Aug 29, 2021 01:37
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Shiroc posted:I started playing Conker's Bad Fur Day on Rare Replay for the first time since the N64. Ignoring the humor not hitting the same when I'm not an early teenager, holy gently caress are the camera and controls awful. I played Banjo-Kazooie recently and it still felt solid. Conker is a mess. Frank Frank posted:N64 games are incredibly hard to revisit. Back then, the novelty of 3D made folks overlook a ton of lovely stuff. same but gex "well i liked this when i was six so maybe the complaints were overblown a bit?" no, they were not
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Aug 29, 2021 02:00
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I replayed Ocarina Of Time a while back and it was ok except for the lovely controller making aiming arrows aggravatingly difficult. Conker I remember being rough even at the time, that and Perfect Dark ran notably badly on a console where peak performance was like "tolerable". It's weird they didn't delay them and remake them as Gamecube games, since by the time they came up the N64's time was all but up anyway
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Aug 29, 2021 05:45
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Perfect Dark came out in May 2000. The Nintendo Gamecube did not release until May 2002, nearly two years later. Not exactly a length of time you can just sit around on. Really late Rare projects like Dinosaur Planet did end up getting a Gamecube version.
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Aug 29, 2021 06:22
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Len posted:this bullshit right here What are you talking about, in the second one she's standing as an equal, clearly. But yeah, the 90s/early 00s were....not good for video game marketing. Or...well, most depiction of women in video games really.
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Aug 29, 2021 06:31
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Morpheus posted:What are you talking about, in the second one she's standing as an equal, clearly. The one on the left isn't Dungeon Keeper 1 It's the f2p mobile game.
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Len posted:The one on the left isn't Dungeon Keeper 1 Lol what the hell
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