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pentyne posted:Base Classes: If you'd like I can write a basic description of the classes and the basic poo poo you can/should be doing with them if you don't know the system at all (stat spreads, feats to beeline etc...)
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Kobal2 posted:If you'd like I can write a basic description of the classes and the basic poo poo you can/should be doing with them if you don't know the system at all (stat spreads, feats to beeline etc...) I, for one, would love this as right now my only thought is spooky lich man.
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 20:28 |
Personally I’d love any advice on making a shield-bashing character. It seems probably bad, but I really like the concept. It just sounds hard to fit all the feats, str and dex into anything that can’t take TWF feats without the dex reqs.
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DisgracelandUSA posted:I, for one, would love this as right now my only thought is spooky lich man. melee sorceror
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 20:37 |
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looking through the companions I may mod seelah to be a martyr because none of the standard companions seem suited to bard which blows my loving mind
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 20:40 |
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effectively mandating at least one merc in your party if the MC isn't one wtf
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 20:40 |
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Buck Wildman posted:looking through the companions I may mod seelah to be a martyr because none of the standard companions seem suited to bard which blows my loving mind Yeah I had this exact same thought
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 20:41 |
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Buck Wildman posted:looking through the companions I may mod seelah to be a martyr because none of the standard companions seem suited to bard which blows my loving mind Why not just multiclass Seelah into Skald? She seems like a shoe in. Also "mandating" seems a touch dramatic.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Why not just multiclass Seelah into Skald? She seems like a shoe in. it's my understanding that skald doesn't get full song capability but I haven't looked into it carefully good luck playing anything above normal without a bard lol
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Buck Wildman posted:it's my understanding that skald doesn't get full song capability but I haven't looked into it carefully In a world with mythic feats and abilities? Playing above normal without a Bard is unremarkable.
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godspeed
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What makes a bard so party critical above normal?
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 20:47 |
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Anno posted:Personally I’d love any advice on making a shield-bashing character. It seems probably bad, but I really like the concept. It just sounds hard to fit all the feats, str and dex into anything that can’t take TWF feats without the dex reqs. Slayer and Ranger build it with great ease cause they bypass feat requirements (, feats in the chain, the dex) for two weapon fighting and others. Just pick Sword and shield combat style. Fighter with proper statline gets far too many feats. After that, a few classes that get bonus combat feats can do it in a reasonable pace (warpriest, crusader and such). Any other class will have a harder time (like Paladin). Slayer or Ranger is probably still the best choice, since they have ways to get high attack bonuses baked in their class and can get sneak dice that make the damage output even better (slayer's progression , Sense vital spell for ranger) JamMasterJim fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Aug 31, 2021 |
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Buck Wildman posted:it's my understanding that skald doesn't get full song capability but I haven't looked into it carefully Tons of classes share unique stacking buffs through class abilities and the spell list can be covered. Very convenient, not mandatory. And Seelah can easily be a bard too, you get her at lv 1 and she has good enough cha.
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CAR CRASH CRACKERS posted:What makes a bard so party critical above normal? song buffs and crowd control in one package that isn't farting up what looks like an already crowded front line maybe it'll be different from km guess we'll find out JamMasterJim posted:Tons of classes share unique stacking buffs through class abilities and the spell list can be covered. Very convenient, not mandatory. And Seelah can easily be a bard too, you get her at lv 1 and she has good enough cha. yes of course you can but that's annoying, harumph
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 20:52 |
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I'd rather she just be a martyr and save me the hassle, drat you iconic characters
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 20:54 |
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Hello thread, I played the first game but have not paid attention to the new one. I have two questions for anyone who followed the beta and poo poo 1. Is this gonna be a bugfest like the first one was for a long while, or is it likely to be an actually decent experience at launch? 2. I never actually finished the first for an assortment of reasons. The three biggest ones were A: the story felt like it was kind of falling apart after the barbarian stuff and it really started to bore me, the one throughline (evil dryad lady) basically wasn't showing up either for ages which exacerbated it. B: the actual kingdom management which was kinda fun early on lost all its appeal to me. C: I realized I don't actually enjoy higher-level PF (getting into the teens) at all! I'm not expecting point C to be helped much but how does the second game compare on the first two points?
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Plenty of people beat KM solo at the hardest difficulties with a variety of crazy characters so there is absolutely nothing required in these games. Even some of the stronger stuff can be worked around with alternatives.Anno posted:Personally I’d love any advice on making a shield-bashing character. It seems probably bad, but I really like the concept. It just sounds hard to fit all the feats, str and dex into anything that can’t take TWF feats without the dex reqs. I've seen some incredibly strong builds with shield bashing so you won't be weak. Like it was said most go through Ranger or Slayer so they can pick up TWF without all the dex but there are some different ways. Here's a weird one I stumbled onto in a youtube video.
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Anno posted:Personally I’d love any advice on making a shield-bashing character. It seems probably bad, but I really like the concept. It just sounds hard to fit all the feats, str and dex into anything that can’t take TWF feats without the dex reqs. You can do it two ways (well, three but the third (straight Fighter) kinda sucks). One is to go Slayer (or Ranger, but Slayer is a much better dual wielder because sneak attacks). Full hog on STR, don't care about no dex, you'll get all your TWF poo poo though your combat style and use your regular feats for improved crits on your main hand weapon of choice, then the shatter defense line. At level 11 get one level of Fighter to get Shield Master/Bashing Finish at the same time. From then on do as you like, poo poo should be exploding nicely. The other is to go Paladin, MAD as gently caress. Something like 14STR 15 DEX 16 CHA. It's fine, you'll get belts and hats eventually. Don't increase DEX (by the time you need more than 15 to qualify for TWF feats you'll have +4/+6 belts and heavy armour will restrict your max bonus to AC anyway), just go full CHA (or 1 STR 4 CHA). All your feats will be TWF stuff, but that's OK because your Smite damage applies to both your mainhand and the shield. Once again, 1 level of Fighter at 11 to not slum it for 2 more levels. You could also add in a level of monk for free Crane Style after that. It's a more tanky build than the first, but with Smite you can still make big red numbers happen when it counts. In either case you probably want your mainhand to be an 18-20 crit range weapon (rapier, scimitar, estoc (not worth the feat IMO but maybe there's some good ones, Iunno)) since bashing finish triggers on crits and the brunt of your damage comes from flat bonuses. ETA : you could also make it work with a Rogue, Warpriest, Inquisitor, Bard... but I wouldn't recommend a non-full BAB class for the purpose. The Big Ticket Feat you want ASAP to make your build shine is Bashing Finish, which is gated behind BAB 11. Kobal2 fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Aug 31, 2021 |
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DourCricket posted:
like this is a really legitimate question that they seem to have just blown off so color me credulous at mythic feats carrying the day but if I'm proven wrong I'll be the first to admit it
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 21:04 |
Thanks all. One last question - the Shieldbearer Warpriest seems to treat their shield as their sacred weapon, meaning it presumably ends up way more damaging than for any other class? They get enough bonus feats that it seems that might be another way to go?
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CAR CRASH CRACKERS posted:What makes a bard so party critical above normal? +2 to hit. I got demolished in the Technic League fight on my Hard playthrough because Linzi went down and one of the NPCs had 24 AC.
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Buck Wildman posted:like this is a really legitimate question that they seem to have just blown off so color me credulous at mythic feats carrying the day but if I'm proven wrong I'll be the first to admit it Like have you actually looked at the mythic feats and abilities list because yes they definitely blew off a question aimed at the strict inferiority of heavy armor tanking to dex tanking, but that is an issue completely orthogonal to and unrelated to Bards being totally unnecessary. You should probably read up it's publically available information now. https://pathfinderwrathoftherighteous.wiki.fextralife.com/Mythic+Feats https://pathfinderwrathoftherighteous.wiki.fextralife.com/Mythic+Abilities
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 21:14 |
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REPOSTED FOR A NEW PAGE BECAUSE I loving CAN AMA Part 1 - 2pm EST~ . For brevity, I will be summarizing questions and answers that are longer than a sentence or two. Questions in BOLD
There are also several "fan-answered" questions I see but I'm passing on those. Also some more 80's Action Move bad guy lingo questions I can't be assed to translate. Will come back for more in an hour or two. Part 2 & Finale:
Buck Wildman posted:like this is a really legitimate question that they seem to have just blown off so color me credulous at mythic feats carrying the day but if I'm proven wrong I'll be the first to admit it I summarized that answer and they have some replies in the thread but basically - they don't care that much that some options are way more powerful than others, it's a singleplayer game and heavy armor tanks work just fine on Core. Again, just summarizing.
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 21:16 |
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DourCricket posted:Initially, only Legend was supposed to be late-game path, then we added Gold Dragon and Swarm on Kickstarter. Yeah, that was pretty obvious. "What if they pay me to write my magical realm about Bugs'.
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o I die horatio
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 21:19 |
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CAR CRASH CRACKERS posted:What makes a bard so party critical above normal? All the good quality of life buffs (and some mass CC/debuffs on top) on one guy (you're only missing Barkskin, Death Ward and Mind Blank) ; that stack with their song. So you're hitting more, which means you're killing more, which means you die a lot less on the whole. Also up to 6d10s worth of free hitpoints every single fight greatly reduces the need for a dedicated healbot, which frees up a party slot for Moar DPS.
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 21:25 |
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I've heard conflicting if Crane Wing/Riposte still works in WOTR like KM or whether it needs a hand free. Someone said it doesn't even work for a Magus with Spell Combat toggled on. I guess we'll see in a couple days but it's possible some of the conventional wisdom from KM in general doesn't pan out the same.
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 21:47 |
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Kobal2 posted:All the good quality of life buffs (and some mass CC/debuffs on top) on one guy (you're only missing Barkskin, Death Ward and Mind Blank) ; that stack with their song. So you're hitting more, which means you're killing more, which means you die a lot less on the whole. You do not bring a cleric for the healing after the first few levels, really. It's for everything else in the spell list. Plus, a Divine Power plus whatever other self buffs cleric is better at smacking too. And if things really go south, Heal/Mass heal or just resurrecting is still more valuable.
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 21:48 |
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Don't get me wrong, bard is still really loving good, but I wouldn't say they take the place of a cleric - even outside of raw healing. Clerics are pathfinder God tier because they are just bonkers versatile. You can make a 5 mercenary cleric team and kit them all to do something extremely different from the others and have them all be amazing. Just kiting them out for heal botting is really selling the class short. If you want a laugh, make an evil cleric merc, kit him out for maximum "gently caress off". Either Urgathoa with death and magic domain or Norgober with death and charm domain. Give yourself selective channel negative, that helmet or negative energy channeling, all the attack spells under the sun, and watch them completely wreck shop. Edit: give said evil cleric 0 healing as even more of a test, force yourself to use him aggressively and watch what he can do DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Aug 31, 2021 |
# ? Aug 31, 2021 22:22 |
So I backed the kickstarter for WotR whenever that was (2017?) but I never set myself up in the "Backer portal" and now when I go to the owlcat games page my login account acts like I've never bought anything. Clicking the links for the backer portal takes me to a dead URL because apparently the launch of the actual game was the best time to take down the backer portal, because that's what people love about kickstarter, not getting their rewards and extra logins and passwords to deal with. Anything I can do other than email owlcat and twiddle my thumbs?
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 22:55 |
Nissin Cup Nudist posted:WotR has inspired me to finally get around to installing Kingmaker I played like 90% of Kingmaker but I don't think I ever bothered to actually finish it Does the new game transfer anything from the last one or are they fully independent
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 23:00 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Does the new game transfer anything from the last one or are they fully independent Fully independent. Also, I think you may be in "twiddle thumbs" territory.
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 23:03 |
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I forgot that I had backed for POE2 until like a year later and could still claim my key, lol
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 23:14 |
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lol
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 23:17 |
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lmfao
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Buck Wildman posted:lmfao aw gently caress I forgot about that whole mess
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# ? Aug 31, 2021 23:21 |
Hieronymous Alloy posted:So I backed the kickstarter for WotR whenever that was (2017?) but I never set myself up in the "Backer portal" and now when I go to the owlcat games page my login account acts like I've never bought anything. Clicking the links for the backer portal takes me to a dead URL because apparently the launch of the actual game was the best time to take down the backer portal, because that's what people love about kickstarter, not getting their rewards and extra logins and passwords to deal with. I had the same problem. I emailed them and they sent me a link to confirm my pledge with them and then it worked fine. I emailed them at: team@owlcatgames.com with my email address and name and they got back to me in like 15 minutes.
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jng2058 posted:I had the same problem. I emailed them and they sent me a link to confirm my pledge with them and then it worked fine. I emailed them at: team@owlcatgames.com with my email address and name and they got back to me in like 15 minutes. Yeah I emailed them yesterday and no response yet. Assume they're busy.
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ahh, mandragora swarms i did a little googling then hit bag of tricks to just delete the strength debuff because drat, lol
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