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biceps crimes: Apr 12, 2008

lots of malthusian nazis itt, smh

# ? Sep 4, 2021 18:17

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 02:13

Perry Mason Jar: Feb 24, 2006; "Della? Take a lid"

actionjackson posted:

I think the current state of affairs was inevitable once fossil fuels were discovered

I've been toying around a bit with this idea which I'm calling Marxism-Pessimism that agrees that the current state of affairs - the triumph of the ruling class; fascism - was inevitable owing to these two conditions: fossil fuels were discovered, but Marxism was not yet discovered. I think these two premises made RC victory inevitable; we greatly underestimate the amount of capital accumulating in capital's tendency to accumulate. I think people presume that capital is used primarily for arms and fortresses and neglect to consider it also buys loyalty and "truth".

Edit: to be clear, the only really relevant accumulation I'm referring to is the capture of fossil fuel reserves. All other accumulations, I think, can be surmounted but the capture of energy and power itself cannot really be defeated without some drastic Luddite-style Bender's-Island-of-Primitive-Robots stuff.

Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 18:34 on Sep 4, 2021

# ? Sep 4, 2021 18:25

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

SniperWoreConverse posted:

yeah i mean hypothetically you could avoid it. I brew and still use silicone tubes and seals. I don't have apple trees or bees or any source of sugars I can get on my own so I end up buying something that's inevitably packed or bottled in plastic.

Bees are fun. You put frames of honeycomb pattern material in flat sheets into the hive which they draw out and store honey in. You have a choice of natural wax or plastic for your honeycomb foundation. Plastic frames hold up better in the extractor (probably also plastic, unless you can afford the $$ for a stainless steel tub) but you often scrape off little slivers of plastic when you're working the frames. (Bees have their own opinions on where they should put wax and propolis.) Plastic frames can last a long time - I'm pretty sure some of mine are from the late 80s/early 90s. Lots of time to offgas whatever into your bee spit.

I prefer wood and wax foundation frames for anything I'm harvesting honey from. The bees again have their own opinions about how to organize the hive so even if the frames don't fall apart in the extractor the wax foundation needs to be replaced because the bees have decided to chew a new passageway into it. Very few beekeepers have a roller press or mould to make their own foundation so you have to buy it and hope it doesn't have too much in the way of industrial ag chemicals in it. There's a lot of beeswax coming out of China these days but just lol at eating anything produced on that soil. Like Chinese counterfeit sugar-water "honey" getting into the supply chain I'm not sure I trust the suppliers when they tell me the foundation wax originated in Quebec. With my luck they're lying and it actually came from Sudbury or some other environmental disaster.

In summary: gently caress it all.

Cold on a Cob posted:

yeah population growth has been fueled (heh) by energy and we're now in overshoot

but

ideology still imposes a hierarchy on the world and the dominant ones allow people closer to the top benefit more from those energy and material resources

imho anyway

Vaguely remembered from an ancient population ecology course (get the salt shaker out), but there were two significant jumps in world population prior to industrialization, associated with farmers learning to double and triple crop rice in Asia. Of course, compared to what we have now "significant" isn't that significant anymore.

# ? Sep 4, 2021 18:31

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually; College Slice

Hexigrammus posted:

Vaguely remembered from an ancient population ecology course (get the salt shaker out), but there were two significant jumps in world population prior to industrialization, associated with farmers learning to double and triple crop rice in Asia. Of course, compared to what we have now "significant" isn't that significant anymore.

yeah there are plenty of historical examples where human societies have gone into overshoot at the local/regional level, things collapse, and then people migrate away

unfortunately we were so "successful" this time we have nowhere to migrate to, in the sense that our pollution and resource extraction are now global and we're collapsing the global ecology not just a relatively small area like ancient sumer or greece

# ? Sep 4, 2021 18:53

Minera: Sep 26, 2007; All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.

lead brained boomers is the hot new insult i see constantly but what will the children of the post climate apocalypse call us

plastic infused doesnt have the same sting to it

# ? Sep 4, 2021 19:09

Cold on a Cob: Feb 6, 2006; i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually; College Slice

i'd say plast*rds (as in bastards) but it's close enough to the r-slur i felt the need to censor it so obviously the clued in kids won't say that

# ? Sep 4, 2021 19:11

Cup Runneth Over: Aug 8, 2009; She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate

Topo Chico Debarge posted:

found it on reddit with a post titled something like "California home wrapped in fire proofing material"

shake and bake

# ? Sep 4, 2021 19:13

Complications: Jun 19, 2014

Minrad posted:

lead brained boomers is the hot new insult i see constantly but what will the children of the post climate apocalypse call us

plastic infused doesnt have the same sting to it

we merely adopted the plastic infusion

they were born in it, molded by it, and will never be blinded by a world without it

# ? Sep 4, 2021 19:14

Cup Runneth Over: Aug 8, 2009; She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate

Perry Mason Jar posted:

I've been toying around a bit with this idea which I'm calling Marxism-Pessimism that agrees that the current state of affairs - the triumph of the ruling class; fascism - was inevitable owing to these two conditions: fossil fuels were discovered, but Marxism was not yet discovered. I think these two premises made RC victory inevitable; we greatly underestimate the amount of capital accumulating in capital's tendency to accumulate. I think people presume that capital is used primarily for arms and fortresses and neglect to consider it also buys loyalty and "truth".

Edit: to be clear, the only really relevant accumulation I'm referring to is the capture of fossil fuel reserves. All other accumulations, I think, can be surmounted but the capture of energy and power itself cannot really be defeated without some drastic Luddite-style Bender's-Island-of-Primitive-Robots stuff.

It also buys inaction. Effective resistance has been bred out of the American population, for instance, even discounting the surveillance state. If they lash out violently it's just to kill innocents. No one with real power or blame is ever in physical threat. Ever since the 80s only involuntary celibacy seems to be a strong enough motivator to get people to pick up a gun and start committing terrorism. I guess that's what zero pussy does to a motherfucker.

# ? Sep 4, 2021 19:20

Complications: Jun 19, 2014

Cup Runneth Over posted:

It also buys inaction. Effective resistance has been bred out of the American population, for instance, even discounting the surveillance state. If they lash out violently it's just to kill innocents. No one with real power or blame is ever in physical threat. Ever since the 80s only involuntary celibacy seems to be a strong enough motivator to get people to pick up a gun and start committing terrorism. I guess that's what zero pussy does to a motherfucker.

That's not fair. State security has also spent decades of hard work ensuring that any threats to the ruling class or their enforcers are scattered, demoralized, terrorized, and suppressed.

# ? Sep 4, 2021 19:23

Cup Runneth Over: Aug 8, 2009; She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate

Complications posted:

That's not fair. State security has also spent decades of hard work ensuring that any threats to the ruling class or their enforcers are scattered, demoralized, terrorized, and suppressed.

Surely that wouldn't deter lone actors from snapping. You can stamp out organized resistance, but in a populace with nothing left to lose there would have to be some people willing to buy a one way ticket to DC or something. But there aren't. Americans just die quietly without even a thought spared for rage at the people behind their suffering. Capital buys that, too.

# ? Sep 4, 2021 19:29

Complications: Jun 19, 2014

Cup Runneth Over posted:

Surely that wouldn't deter lone actors from snapping. You can stamp out organized resistance, but in a populace with nothing left to lose there would have to be some people willing to buy a one way ticket to DC or something. But there aren't. Americans just die quietly without even a thought spared for rage at the people behind their suffering. Capital buys that, too.

The problem is that for all the whining about how it's 'impossible' to stop lone wolves, people aren't that asocial as a rule. Whenever we hear about someone 'just snapping' and going after [insert vulnerable population here] it's inevitably discovered that a shitton of red flags were ignored. That tends to happen much, much less when it involves threats against anyone that matters. Hell, you can look around to the international arena to see that it's not a uniquely American phenomenon - it's not heads of state or billionaires getting shot or car bombed or whatever.

# ? Sep 4, 2021 19:36

Rime: Nov 2, 2011; by Games Forum

Minrad posted:

lead brained boomers is the hot new insult i see constantly but what will the children of the post climate apocalypse call us

plastic infused doesnt have the same sting to it

Speaking as a mod-thirties millennial, I suspect the generations not yet teenagers will view us with considerably more contempt than they will the boomers. The boomers, at least, can try and plead ignorance. The issues weren't obvious yet in their youth. And, sure, that's actually true, I mean look at that graph of plastic production and most of it has occurred since 1997.

While we can sit here and argue They should have known! , in fairness the bulk of western humanity are loving idiots.

Millenials? My generation? We Knew. By the time we were teenagers, it was obvious to anyone how hosed things were. FFS, I was writing essays about the coming socioeconomic driven collapse of western civilization by the time I was fifteen. We graduated ighschool or college into the worst economic crisis in decades, giving us a paint-by-numbers explanation of how the system was rigged against us.

And what did we do with all that?

By and large, we spent the past decade and a half sitting here doing nothing while the world burned down around us at a furious pace. Playing videogames and feeding our narcissism on social media, sharing memes about late stage capitalism and making jokes about blowing up pipelines instead of, you know, Blowing Up Pipelines. I don't think there's ever been a generation as deeply aware of the existential threats to their own existence - and yet completely unwilling to do anything about it. Too high on life and research chemicals to muster up the effort to be a rebel, the unstable fringes happier to drown in conspiracy theories and protest hospitals or telecom towers than find a convenient library depository.

We're angry at the Boomers because they pulled up the ladder and we don't get the comfortable lifestyles of excess which they enjoyed. Boo Hoo. The coming generations will be angry at us because we sat around and watched while the world burned, and consumed their futures fully aware of what the price would be for all of us.

We should be very, very afraid of a generation which will come of age knowing that it has Nothing to lose, and who to blame for it - just like we did.

# ? Sep 4, 2021 19:40

Cup Runneth Over: Aug 8, 2009; She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate

Rime posted:

Speaking as a mod-thirties millennial, I suspect the generations not yet teenagers will view us with considerably more contempt than they will the boomers. The boomers, at least, can try and plead ignorance.

It would be nice if they bothered tbh

# ? Sep 4, 2021 19:42

blatman: May 10, 2009; 14 inc dont mez

to be fair most of us millennials are still conditioned to think that nonviolent protest is the most effective way to solicit change

like even though we tried that with occupy and it was immediately stomped in the most predictable ways possible

edit: also vote, dont forget vote

blatman has issued a correction as of 20:03 on Sep 4, 2021

# ? Sep 4, 2021 19:56

Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

Rime posted:

Speaking as a mod-thirties millennial, I suspect the generations not yet teenagers will view us with considerably more contempt than they will the boomers. The boomers, at least, can try and plead ignorance. The issues weren't obvious yet in their youth. And, sure, that's actually true, I mean look at that graph of plastic production and most of it has occurred since 1997.

While we can sit here and argue They should have known! , in fairness the bulk of western humanity are loving idiots.

Millenials? My generation? We Knew. By the time we were teenagers, it was obvious to anyone how hosed things were. FFS, I was writing essays about the coming socioeconomic driven collapse of western civilization by the time I was fifteen. We graduated ighschool or college into the worst economic crisis in decades, giving us a paint-by-numbers explanation of how the system was rigged against us.

And what did we do with all that?

By and large, we spent the past decade and a half sitting here doing nothing while the world burned down around us at a furious pace. Playing videogames and feeding our narcissism on social media, sharing memes about late stage capitalism and making jokes about blowing up pipelines instead of, you know, Blowing Up Pipelines. I don't think there's ever been a generation as deeply aware of the existential threats to their own existence - and yet completely unwilling to do anything about it. Too high on life and research chemicals to muster up the effort to be a rebel, the unstable fringes happier to drown in conspiracy theories and protest hospitals or telecom towers than find a convenient library depository.

We're angry at the Boomers because they pulled up the ladder and we don't get the comfortable lifestyles of excess which they enjoyed. Boo Hoo. The coming generations will be angry at us because we sat around and watched while the world burned, and consumed their futures fully aware of what the price would be for all of us.

We should be very, very afraid of a generation which will come of age knowing that it has Nothing to lose, and who to blame for it - just like we did.

lol 80% of millenials still have their entire lives dictated by their parents we never got to grow up and be independent cause the boomers won't step down no matter how addled

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:08

Rime: Nov 2, 2011; by Games Forum

"But...The....Boooooomers" I croak, as the youth slowly hoist my noose over the lamppost - cheering.

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:13

silicone thrills: Jan 9, 2008; I paint things

Still havent had enough rain in seattle in like 70+ days now to make any difference at all. We had a trace so it was enough to mean we didn't break a record. Gonna go outside and work on my sad permaculture attempt today which generally makes my brain happy but with no rain I cant really transplant anything i've started from seed yet and its starting to wear on me.

Still finding random black plastic every time I dig because the previous boomer morons who owned this house lined every bit of the yard with it. Can I ever have a vegetable garden with all this black plastic? I guess so because it isnt like every organic grower in the US isnt using it anyway.

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:17

Perry Mason Jar: Feb 24, 2006; "Della? Take a lid"

Millenials feel powerless because they don't own anything. Power grows at least in part from a sense of security. If any actions, however minimal, can see you swiftly dispossessed then you need to be incredibly bold to take an action. Mostly though I've spent my life trying to tell people that we need to rise up immediately and have been routinely ignored and occasionally ridiculed. Thus I've fallen into the same behaviors that Rime is lamenting. Can't beat em..

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:19

Oxxidation: Jul 22, 2007

Rime posted:

"But...The....Boooooomers" I croak, as the youth slowly hoist my noose over the lamppost - cheering.

oh no, zoomers, please don't expedite my departure from this diseased rock, i beg of you

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:19

Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

get a good view on the way up at least, rime

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:19

silicone thrills: Jan 9, 2008; I paint things

https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1434137356806807553?s=20

lmao unsurprisingly there are now a bunch of oil spills in the gulf post Ida.

I just crack pinged the person who sent me that article with this article

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/27000-abandoned-gulf-oil-wells-may-be-leaking/

quote:

27,000 Abandoned Gulf Oil Wells May Be Leaking

More than 27,000 abandoned oil and gas wells lurk in the hard rock beneath the Gulf of Mexico, an environmental minefield that has been ignored for decades. No one - not industry, not government - is checking to see if they are leaking, an Associated Press investigation shows.

The oldest of these wells were abandoned in the late 1940s, raising the prospect that many deteriorating sealing jobs are already failing.

The AP investigation uncovered particular concern with 3,500 of the neglected wells - those characterized in federal government records as "temporarily abandoned."
Regulations for temporarily abandoned wells require oil companies to present plans to reuse or permanently plug such wells within a year, but the AP found that the rule is routinely circumvented, and that more than 1,000 wells have lingered in that unfinished condition for more than a decade. About three-quarters of temporarily abandoned wells have been left in that status for more than a year, and many since the 1950s and 1960s - even though sealing procedures for temporary abandonment are not as stringent as those for permanent closures.

As a forceful reminder of the potential harm, the well beneath BP's Deepwater Horizon rig was being sealed with cement for temporary abandonment when it blew April 20, leading to one of the worst environmental disasters in the nation's history. BP alone has abandoned about 600 wells in the Gulf, according to government data.

There's ample reason for worry about all permanently and temporarily abandoned wells - history shows that at least on land, they often leak. Wells are sealed underwater much as they are on land. And wells on land and in water face similar risk of failure. Plus, records reviewed by the AP show that some offshore wells have failed.

Asked in multiple requests over several weeks how often abandoned wells have failed, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency acknowledged Tuesday - as this story was being released - that it has had to deal with leaks at abandoned wells in shallow state waters of Louisiana and Texas. The U.S. Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement - which oversees wells in federal waters - also acknowledged Tuesday that it has dealt with "a few" failed abandoned wells farther out in the Gulf. But the information was released only through the public affairs offices and neither agency provided experts for follow-up.

Experts say abandoned wells can repressurize, much like a dormant volcano can awaken. And years of exposure to sea water and underground pressure can cause cementing and piping to corrode and weaken.

"You can have changing geological conditions where a well could be repressurized," said Andy Radford, a petroleum engineer for the American Petroleum Institute trade group.

Whether a well is permanently or temporarily abandoned, improperly applied or aging cement can crack or shrink, independent petroleum engineers say. "It ages, just like it does on buildings and highways," said Roger Anderson, a Columbia University petroleum geophysicist who has conducted research on commercial wells.

Despite the likelihood of leaks large and small, though, abandoned wells are typically not inspected by industry or government.

Oil company representatives insist that the seal on a correctly plugged offshore well will last virtually forever.

"It's in everybody's interest to do it right," said Bill Mintz, a spokesman for Apache Corp., which has at least 2,100 abandoned wells in the Gulf, according to government data.

Officials at the U.S. Interior Department, which oversees the agency that regulates federal leases in the Gulf and elsewhere, did not answer repeated questions regarding why there are no inspections of abandoned wells.

State officials estimate that tens of thousands are badly sealed, either because they predate strict regulation or because the operating companies violated rules. Texas alone has plugged more than 21,000 abandoned wells to control pollution, according to the state comptroller's office.

Offshore, but in state waters, California has resealed scores of its abandoned wells since the 1980s.

In deeper federal waters, though - despite the similarities in how such wells are constructed and how sealing procedures can fail - the official policy is out-of-sight, out-of-mind.

The U.S. Minerals Management Service - recently renamed the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement - relies on rules that have few real teeth. Once an oil company says it will permanently abandon a well, it has one year to complete the job. MMS mandates that work plans be submitted and a report filed afterward.

Unlike California regulators, MMS doesn't typically inspect the job, instead relying on the paperwork.

The fact there are so many wells that have been classified for decades as temporarily abandoned suggests that paperwork can be shuffled at MMS without any real change beneath the water.

With its weak system of enforcement, MMS imposed fines in a relative handful of cases: just $440,000 on seven companies from 2003-2007 for improper plug-and-abandonment work.

Companies permanently abandon wells when they are no longer useful. Afterward, no one looks methodically for leaks, which can't easily be detected from the surface anyway. And no one in government or industry goes underwater to inspect, either.

Government regulators and industry officials say abandoned offshore wells are presumed to be properly plugged and are expected to last indefinitely without leaking. Only when pressed do these officials acknowledge the possibility of leaks.

Despite warnings of leaks, government and industry officials have never bothered to assess the extent of the problem, according to an extensive AP review of records and regulations.

That means no one really knows how many abandoned wells are leaking - or how badly.

The AP documented an extensive history of warnings about environmental dangers related to abandoned wells:
- The General Accountability Office, which investigates for Congress, warned as early as 1994 that leaks from offshore abandoned wells could cause an "environmental disaster," killing fish, shellfish, mammals and plants. In a lengthy report, GAO pressed for inspections of abandonment jobs, but nothing came of the recommendation.

- A 2006 Environmental Protection Agency report took notice of the overall issue regarding wells on land: "Historically, well abandonment and plugging have generally not been properly planned, designed and executed." State officials say many leaks come from wells abandoned in recent decades, when rules supposedly dictated plugging procedures. And repairs are so routine that terms have been coined to describe the work: "replugging" or the "re-abandonment."

- A GAO report in 1989 provided a foreboding prognosis about the health of the country's inland oil and gas wells. The watchdog agency quoted EPA data estimating that up to 17 percent of the nation's wells on land had been improperly plugged. If that percentage applies to offshore wells, there could be 4,600 badly plugged wells in the Gulf of Mexico alone.

- According to a 2001 study commissioned by MMS, agency officials were "concerned that some abandoned oil wells in the Gulf may be leaking crude oil." But nothing came of that warning either.

The study targeted a well 20 miles off Louisiana that had been reported leaking five years after it was plugged and abandoned. The researchers tried unsuccessfully to use satellite radar images to locate the leak.

But John Amos, the geologist who wrote the study, told AP that MMS withheld critical information that could have helped verify if he had pinpointed the problem. "I kind of suspected that this was a project almost designed to fail," Amos said. He said the agency refused to tell him "how big and widespread a problem" they were dealing with in the Gulf.

Amos is now director of SkyTruth, a nonprofit group that uses satellite imagery to detect environmental problems. He still believes that technology could work on abandoned wells.

MMS, though, hasn't followed up on the work. And Interior Department spokeswoman Kendra Barkoff said agency inspectors would be present for permanent plugging jobs "only when something unusual is expected." She also said inspectors would check later "only if there's a noted leak."

Companies may be tempted to skimp on sealing jobs, which are expensive and slow offshore. It would cost the industry at least $3 billion to permanently plug the 10,500 now-active wells and the 3,500 temporarily abandoned ones in the Gulf, according to an AP analysis of MMS data.

The AP analysis indicates that more than half of the 50,000 wells ever drilled on federal leases beneath the Gulf have now been abandoned. Some 23,500 are permanently sealed. Another 12,500 wells are plugged on one branch while being allowed to remain active in a different branch.

Government records do not indicate how many temporarily abandoned wells have been returned to service over the years. Federal rules require only an annual review of plans to reuse or permanently seal the 3,500 temporarily abandoned wells, but companies are using this provision to keep the wells in limbo indefinitely.

Petroleum engineers say abandoned offshore wells can fail from faulty work, age and drilling-induced or natural changes below the seabed. Maurice Dusseault, a geologist at the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, says U.S. regulators "assume that once a well is sealed, they're safe - but that's not always the case."

Even fully depleted wells can flow again because of fluid or gas injections to stimulate nearby wells or from pressure exerted by underlying aquifers.

Permanently abandoned wells are corked with cement plugs up to 200 feet (60 meters) long. They are placed in targeted zones to block the flow of oil or gas. Heavy drilling fluid is added. Offshore, the piping is cut off 15 feet below the sea floor.

Wells are abandoned temporarily for a variety of reasons. The company may be re-evaluating a well's potential or developing a plan to overcome a drilling problem or damage from a storm. Some owners temporarily abandon wells to await a rise in oil prices.

Since companies may put a temporarily abandoned well back into service, such holes typically will be sealed with fewer plugs, less testing and a metal cap to stop corrosion from sea water.

In the Deepwater Horizon blowout, investigators believe the cement may have failed, perhaps never correctly setting deep within the well. Sometimes gas bubbles form as cement hardens, providing an unwanted path for oil or gas to burst through the well and reach the surface.

The other key part of an abandoned well - the steel pipe liner known as casing - can also rust through over time.

MMS personnel do sometimes spot smaller oily patches on the Gulf during flyovers. Operators are also supposed to report any oil sheens they encounter. Typically, though, MMS learns of a leak only when someone spots it by chance.

In the end, the Coast Guard's Marine Safety Laboratory handles little more than 200 cases of oil pollution each year.

And manager Wayne Gronlund says it's often impossible to tell leaking wells from natural seeps, where untold thousands of barrels of oil and untold millions of cubic feet of gas escape annually through cracks that permeate the sea floor.

silicone thrills has issued a correction as of 20:27 on Sep 4, 2021

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:24

SniperWoreConverse: Mar 20, 2010; Gun Saliva

Real hurthling! posted:

lol 80% of millenials still have their entire lives dictated by their parents we never got to grow up and be independent cause the boomers won't step down no matter how addled

I'm old as poo poo and my mom won't leave the the gently caress alone about not living the way she thinks i should. Doesn't matter if i ignore her or what.

I used to get really upset because my nephew is a complete loving rear end in a top hat but 9/10 of these boomers don't see anything that's not in their face, got zero empathy, and seems you can only get through to them if they're being bullied for real. Absolute loving lead brain moron poo poo 24-7 was a big factor in my crack ping.

Rime posted:

"But...The....Boooooomers" I croak, as the youth slowly hoist my noose over the lamppost - cheering.

I can only pray this day comes with breakneck speed, and that hopefully the kids will not be reactionary turds. I don't care if they know how to do a decent gallows that can actually break necks or not.

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:25

Crazypoops: Jul 17, 2017

Zoomers may have my head, it's been mostly useless

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:25

Crazypoops: Jul 17, 2017

I might be able to cool uncle my way out of execution though

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:26

Dr. Furious: Jan 11, 2001; KELVIN
My bot don't know nuthin' 'bout no KELVIN

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Millenials feel powerless because they don't own anything. Power grows at least in part from a sense of security. If any actions, however minimal, can see you swiftly dispossessed then you need to be incredibly bold to take an action. Mostly though I've spent my life trying to tell people that we need to rise up immediately and have been routinely ignored and occasionally ridiculed. Thus I've fallen into the same behaviors that Rime is lamenting. Can't beat em..

If the next generation can seize power and initiate carousel, more power to them. They're gonna gnash their teeth and fight over the increasingly scarce scraps like the rest of us.

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:29

Donkwich: Feb 28, 2011; Grimey Drawer

Rime posted:

"But...The....Boooooomers" I croak, as the youth slowly hoist my noose over the lamppost - cheering.

zoomers would be doing us a favor by that point

its only fair we suffer along with them

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:29

Minera: Sep 26, 2007; All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.

silicone thrills posted:

https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1434137356806807553?s=20

lmao unsurprisingly there are now a bunch of oil spills in the gulf post Ida.

I just crack pinged the person who sent me that article with this article

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/27000-abandoned-gulf-oil-wells-may-be-leaking/

hahahahahahahahajskakdjxik

ahhahhahahahahajahajahah

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:30

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
(and can't post for 22 days!)

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Millenials feel powerless because they don't own anything. Power grows at least in part from a sense of security. If any actions, however minimal, can see you swiftly dispossessed then you need to be incredibly bold to take an action. Mostly though I've spent my life trying to tell people that we need to rise up immediately and have been routinely ignored and occasionally ridiculed. Thus I've fallen into the same behaviors that Rime is lamenting. Can't beat em..

Yeah:

And that was 2019. It's probably even worse now.

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:44

IAMKOREA: Apr 21, 2007

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

Yeah:

And that was 2019. It's probably even worse now.

oh man the zoomers are hosed unless they make it big in crypto and tik tok nfts (is that a thing?)

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:56

Nanomashoes: Aug 18, 2012

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

Yeah:

And that was 2019. It's probably even worse now.

If you remove Mark Zuckerberg there's a noticeable drop in the millenial line too.

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:56

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

We drilled too deep and too greedily

# ? Sep 4, 2021 20:56

Judakel: Jul 29, 2004; Can't post for 9 years!

Hubbert posted:

fixed

ideology doesn't make the world run, energy and other material resources do

i appreciate the materialist motivation here, but profit is insanely powerful as a motivator

# ? Sep 4, 2021 21:00

Irony.or.Death: Apr 1, 2009

Rime posted:

"But...The....Boooooomers" I croak, as the youth slowly hoist my noose over the lamppost - cheering.

your endless capacity for optimism remains an inspiration

# ? Sep 4, 2021 21:03

IAMKOREA: Apr 21, 2007

Nanomashoes posted:

If you remove Mark Zuckerberg there's a noticeable drop in the millenial line too.

lets remove him in minecraft

# ? Sep 4, 2021 21:06

Shifty Nipples: Apr 8, 2007

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Mostly though I've spent my life trying to tell people that we need to rise up immediately and have been routinely ignored and occasionally ridiculed. Thus I've fallen into the same behaviors that Rime is lamenting.

# ? Sep 4, 2021 21:22

Car Hater: May 7, 2007; wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!

*Pick a field you vaguely feel is less harmful or potentially helpful* (wind, EV's)

*Quickly realize that it too is insanely destructive and nonviable but you still get called a tree hugger*

# ? Sep 4, 2021 21:25

1stGear: Jan 16, 2010; Here's to the new us.

The millennial lust for death will weird out our zoomer executioners and they'll end up just leaving us alone.

# ? Sep 4, 2021 21:43

skipmyseashells: Nov 14, 2020

lol the kids of today are gonna look down on millennials way worse than we look at boomers

# ? Sep 4, 2021 21:44

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 02:13

bowser: Apr 7, 2007

When people talk about microplastics in our food and water affecting us, what do they have in mind? Is the claim that plastic pollution is partly responsible for an increase in developmental disorders? Infertility? Gender dysphoria?

https://twitter.com/manuel_valencis/status/1434251941199106048?s=21

quote:

�As sweltering drought conditions continue to worsen throughout California, Ventura and other Southern California counties have shifted from �extreme� to �exceptional� drought conditions, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor Report,� the Los Angeles Times reported.

The �exceptional� category represents the Drought Monitor�s highest-possible designation for drought conditions, and the new status came shortly after another major Western milestone in just how serious water scarcity has become recently.

�The alert came one day after U.S. officials declared the first-ever water shortage on the Colorado River, a key source of water for the region and one that supplies the Calleguas Municipal Water District [MWD], which serves approximately 75% of Ventura County,� per the Times. �In a statement released by MWD, board member Gloria D. Gray said the water management district has needed to begin tapping into its stored reservoirs, and continued to urge residents to conserve water.�

California Governor Gavin Newsom has asked all state residents to voluntarily reduce their water consumption by 15% or more, and 50 of the state�s 58 counties have been placed under a state of emergency due to drought conditions. It seems that, even with the new �exceptional� designation applied to much of the state, there�s not much that officials can do aside from underscoring the importance of voluntary conservation.

�We are putting out the signal that conservation is very important right now in order to preserve our reserves for next year,� MWD spokesperson Dan Drugan said, per ABC 7, as the district indicated that portions of Ventura County will record the lowest amount of rainfall in history.

Here's hoping they don't need to declare a super duper mega serious drought.

# ? Sep 4, 2021 21:45

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