Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
MetaMeme
Apr 30, 2017

You may boorishly refer to it as "Pickpocketing", but I prefer "Urban Foraging".

Arcvasti posted:

I've played through the game three times and am two-thirds through a fourth time, and I never noticed that you're on a different side of the field for Abnormality fights. What the gently caress.

I'm pretty sure it was added a couple months into early access? I remember seeing a couple updates talk about swapping librarians orientation; and I remember it was initially the other way around.

Mr. Stizblee posted:

please try not to hijack the thread too much.

Word.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Mr. Stizblee
Aug 24, 2021

anilEhilated posted:

Not sure if :thejoke: but context would seem to imply a different David Mitchell.

Today I learned there are two famous David Mitchells. I honestly assumed they meant comedy writer in this case.


Thanks for being cool.

Keldulas
Mar 18, 2009
I didn't have a problem on Bloodbath despite the Slash cards in my deck. I think I got a lucky early stagger, then just nuked it with an All-Out Attack since immunities still become fatal on staggering.

This is an advantage I will use repeatedly moving forward.

Edit: Of course, this also meant I didn't properly learn the importance of reading the enemy until later, which was a painful lesson.

Keldulas fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Sep 5, 2021

King of Bleh
Mar 3, 2007

A kingdom of rats.
I think I did not learn the "you can skip playing cards" lesson here, but there's a different abnormality fight quite soon that reiterates it much more strongly.

I'm trying not to get too far ahead of the LP but I've really liked the handful of abnormality fights I've seen, they feel a lot more focused in the puzzle design than most of the main-plot receptions at this early point, which have instead mostly just been "here's some guys with a couple new cards or a slight bonus to <X>, beat them up."

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!

King of Bleh posted:

I think I did not learn the "you can skip playing cards" lesson here, but there's a different abnormality fight quite soon that reiterates it much more strongly.

I'm trying not to get too far ahead of the LP but I've really liked the handful of abnormality fights I've seen, they feel a lot more focused in the puzzle design than most of the main-plot receptions at this early point, which have instead mostly just been "here's some guys with a couple new cards or a slight bonus to <X>, beat them up."
I really do like the juxtaposition between fighting other humans and fighting monsters. Even the most complex Receptions, on a fundamental level, feel similar to each other. You're all fundamentally playing with the same rules - which makes sense because when the fight is over and they've all been booked you'll be getting the abilities they used for yourself. It's all very straightforward. Very fair, like Angela wants it to be.

Abnormalities on the other hand are alien. They're out of context problems, and if you try to fight them like they're people you'll get eaten alive. They have weird abilities and cards too powerful for players to ever hold - Bloodbath's instastagger card would be mandatory in every deck ever if you could use it. Both visually and mechanically, they are something other. Unnatural. It's very interesting storytelling through gameplay.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

Abno fights are a lot more puzzly than the early fights are, they're a lot harder as a result but getting extra fighters and the abno cards are well worth it. Bloodbath's bonuses are... not my favorite, but we won't have to wait long to see better ones.

Also while Zaida's been called back from permanent break, it's still more lenient a workday than LobCorp. All she might have to do is beat up some nerds or handle some old-hat suppressions and she gets to go back on break right after!

ArashiKurobara
Mar 22, 2013
Yeah I'm another one who didn't learn the "you can just not attack its cool" fight for another half-dozen or so Abnormalities; I stonewalled once due to a lot of slash but powered through normally after just rejiggering my deck towards blunt damage.

I'm still not very far in, taking it in small chunks, but I feel like just in general there's no shame in taking more than one attempt at even the very early Abnormalities, sometimes you just need to see how they work first and that's just fine.

Viola the Mad
Feb 13, 2010
Is that music a remix of First Trumpet?? :swoon:

Poltergrift
Feb 16, 2014



"When I grow up, I'm gonna be a proper swordsman. One with clothes."
I was today years old when I learned that you don't actually have to attack.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

Wasn't LobCorp written in C#? I guess they switched engine since then for some reason if it's C++ for LoR? For the random number generator thing, modern C++ gives you access to different random number generators and has a whole module dedicated to doing that. It's not too hard to get some high quality but still cheap to compute random numbers, so I'd have expected them to use that. Alternatively they might be using the ancient C rand() function, which is probably more likely to have issues like that. So what I'm saying is, Project Moon might still be partly to blame here, depending on the details.

Sindai posted:

I'm skeptical of that RNG comment unless it was made by someone who's very familiar with the code. A bias bad enough to actually be noticeable by human players in a game like this would take a serious programming error since C#'s Random class should be fine for anything short of actual cryptography.

It'd make sense if they were using rand(), which is... bad, basically. Even though <random> and everyone's favorite algorithm (the Mersenne Twister) exists.

jaclynhyde
May 28, 2013

Lipstick Apathy

Poltergrift posted:

I was today years old when I learned that you don't actually have to attack.

I discovered this accidentally pressing Space without selecting an attack. Multiple times.

NullBlack
Oct 29, 2011

I'm as confused as you are.

I realize it's just because Lenny uses her own key page (as opposed to a Lenny-specific version), but still,



that's not your bag, Zaida. Have some respect for the dead/booked.

ADD: realized it as I was finishing, but there's something beautifully ironic that Zeta21, the former clerk (they of the infinitely interchangeable men and women in suits), is now dressed like a hobo while on the job. I guess there's no dress code in the Library.

NullBlack fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Sep 6, 2021

TeeQueue
Oct 9, 2012

The time has come. Soon, the bell shall ring. A new world will come. Rise, my servants. Rise and serve me. I am death and life. Darkness and light.

MetaMeme posted:

[EXCISED ON REFLECTION]



[FURTHER EXCISED ON REFLECTION]

I do love this meme, if nothing else.

Viola the Mad posted:

Is that music a remix of First Trumpet?? :swoon:

It sure is!

NullBlack posted:

I realize it's just because Lenny uses her own key page (as opposed to a Lenny-specific version), but still,



that's not your bag, Zaida. Have some respect for the dead/booked.

ADD: realized it as I was finishing, but there's something beautifully ironic that Zeta21, the former clerk (they of the infinitely interchangeable men and women in suits), is now dressed like a hobo while on the job. I guess there's no dress code in the Library.

:allears: don't think I didn't catch what you did there, but this is still great.


AweStriker posted:

Also was there a battle video in there, or

There was not. Bloodbath is not engaging enough to be worth it, imo.


Omniphile posted:



Here's a sketch I was working on for the last thread but didn't finish in time, enjoy (?)

I'm sure we'll see these fellas again soon enough anyways.

We can hope. Rip in book, Anime Squad.

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH

jaclynhyde posted:

I discovered this accidentally pressing Space without selecting an attack. Multiple times.

Same :(

MetaMeme
Apr 30, 2017

You may boorishly refer to it as "Pickpocketing", but I prefer "Urban Foraging".

NullBlack posted:

I realize it's just because Lenny uses her own key page (as opposed to a Lenny-specific version), but still,



:five:

The outlining looks great! Big Pog

we're already in baby lets gooo

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

Abno fights are a lot more puzzly than the early fights are, they're a lot harder as a result but getting extra fighters and the abno cards are well worth it. Bloodbath's bonuses are... not my favorite, but we won't have to wait long to see better ones.

Also while Zaida's been called back from permanent break, it's still more lenient a workday than LobCorp. All she might have to do is beat up some nerds or handle some old-hat suppressions and she gets to go back on break right after!

tbf Scars activates surprisingly often for what it's worth, and it's really funny if you luck out and get a huge attack nullified entirely

Besides that though yeah they're just kinda there

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


Omniphile posted:

Are we the baddies?

No, we are the book-ies.

Edit: I see there have been a few pages since that post. I'm very good at this.

MetaMeme
Apr 30, 2017

You may boorishly refer to it as "Pickpocketing", but I prefer "Urban Foraging".

Kith posted:

Edit: I see there have been a few pages since that post. I'm very good at this.

Sometimes a joke is just that worth it

OneWingedDevil
Aug 27, 2012

Kith posted:

No, we are the book-ies.
I thought this was a library, not a gambling hall? Though the intro had Angela at a table with others and Roland was a (Joker) card, so I guess it checks out after all.

Wonder what the over-under is on how many times Roland will die during the course of this game?

ArchiveLurker
Sep 5, 2009

I am also well aware you can skip attacks because I keep making this mistake over and over again, having just skipped my entire turn the scene an enemy played a "win this clash or die" card. :v:

Theantero
Nov 6, 2011

...We danced the Mamushka while Nero fiddled, we danced the Mamushka at Waterloo. We danced the Mamushka for Jack the Ripper, and now, Fester Addams, this Mamushka is for you....

OneWingedDevil posted:

I thought this was a library, not a gambling hall?

Did you not see the intro cinematic?

The Library is clearly just Angela's cover for an illicit casino operation.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
If nothing else, having 2 the amount of cards to play at a time will help make things easier/more tactically interesting.

MetaMeme
Apr 30, 2017

You may boorishly refer to it as "Pickpocketing", but I prefer "Urban Foraging".
Can't even get a good nap nowadays with all the death screams of agony. Disgusting.

TeeQueue
Oct 9, 2012

The time has come. Soon, the bell shall ring. A new world will come. Rise, my servants. Rise and serve me. I am death and life. Darkness and light.
Book 5: Yun's Office 3—Chapter 1

VIDEO
Music: Lobby


Now that we've got some much-needed help, it's time to check out our next reception. Seems like we're not quite done with Yun's Office yet.

Music: StoryNervous


He was just mediocre. He should have gotten a decent modification surgery, or had enough talent to make up for his lack of experience. But he didn’t have any of that. He was nothing more than an overconfident brat.

Music: STOP


Though I agree, he was bound to die sooner or later.

Congratulations, by the way. You must have more options now that you’re a Grade 8 Fixer.

Yep! So you’d better be careful. If you don’t pay me well enough, I might move to another Office. Heard that you’re barely covering your own taxes these days, let alone the monthly rent for this Office space, am I wrong?

…I believe the case I had Finn handle could make a breakthrough.




But you said the invitation appears randomly, no? How are you going to get another one?

I wouldn’t have called you if I didn’t have certainty. I recently received another invitation.

Hmm. Is that so?

The existence of our Office depends on this case. The Library is sure to be profitable. I have a hunch. So we’re giving it everything we have.

Aight, let’s roll in some dough! I just bought this lovely thing here from a workshop, too.


Music: Lobby


A whole Office coming at us, huh. It may be a small and insignificant one, but it could prove to be a little tough for the Library right now.

What if they make it all the way to your room?

The guests cannot act outside of the space we’ve prepared for them. It’s how this place works. After all, this space is created with limitless power.

Yet you somehow jumped right into my room, when you weren’t even invited…

Anyways, I’m capable of protecting myself, so there’s nothing for you to worry about.


Music: Entrance


You must be the owner of this place.

She doesn’t even look that strong.




Ah, that one has become a book.

I see, so you turn into a book if you die here~

……

Acting all sentimental when you were the one who sent him here, knowing he’d fail?

Shut up. We all get exploited and abandoned at some point in our lives.

…May you find your book in this place.


Next time, on Library of Ruina: It's time to talk about our feelings.


Videos

Yun's Office 4




Huh… you changed your outfit?

Oh, this? I just had a thought. That Yun guy seemed to feel a little bad about what he'd done to his junior.

You think..?

It's just a hunch. Still, Fixers will do anything to get an advantage over each other, even if it's just a little bit.

If you say so... Honestly, I'll be fine as long as these ones don't shoot lasers when we kill 'em.

Hey, hey… just what kind of crazy idea do you have about Fixers in your head?

Welp. Let's get this over with so I can go back to my precious downtime...

C'mon, don't just ignore me like that..!

TeeQueue fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Sep 28, 2021

PinkDawn
Aug 22, 2021
Zaida :allears:

Nice touch with having Roland swap outfits. Also, this is it. This is the banter I've been missing. Zaida is perfect.

berryjon
May 30, 2011

I have an invasion to go to.
For those of you who haven't read the LobCorp LP, and are very confused as to why the thread is adoring our first Librarian's Assistant, Zeta21 first shows up on Day 11 as a nameless Clerk who became a thread darling by turning around and walking away from multiple potential threats, rather than charging blindly to their deaths. They get promoted to full Agent on Day 13, and they become one of the leads of the story as it develops.

What I'm trying to say is that with Angela and Roland being who they are, being balanced out by someone whose first response to a problem is to chill and go back on break is a good thing.

jimmydalad
Sep 26, 2013

My face when others are unable to appreciate the :kazooieass:

AGDQ 2018 Awful Block Survivor
Zaida is just as amazing as she was before. I wonder if she’s enjoying life more than she did in Lob Corp. does the lore specify if the librarians only take their human form for receptions or if they just spend time chilling around the library while waiting for the next victims guests.

Either way, she gets more time to relax and considering what we’ve seen of the world outside the library, probably has a much better fate.

TeeQueue
Oct 9, 2012

The time has come. Soon, the bell shall ring. A new world will come. Rise, my servants. Rise and serve me. I am death and life. Darkness and light.

jimmydalad posted:

Zaida is just as amazing as she was before. I wonder if she’s enjoying life more than she did in Lob Corp. does the lore specify if the librarians only take their human form for receptions or if they just spend time chilling around the library while waiting for the next victims guests.

Either way, she gets more time to relax and considering what we’ve seen of the world outside the library, probably has a much better fate.

It's pretty much confirmed that the Librarians can do things between receptions in a conversation later in the game, though I won't get into specifics.

...and I will admit part of the reason I made sure Zeta21 made Architecture captain is so that I could put her here to bounce off of Roland because the idea made me chuckle. :v:

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

(Could she be talking about that legendary Fixer who replaced his entire head with a laser beam and, for some reason, programmed it to fire indiscriminately whenever he was sleeping?)

(I can't believe someone met Laserface Jim and lived to tell the tale)

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

Incidentally, I guess this update confirms lower grade numbers are more qualified. So at least Bishop wasn't totally bullshitting bragging about being grade 6.

BisbyWorl
Jan 12, 2019

Knowledge is pain plus observation.


Yinlock posted:

(Could she be talking about that legendary Fixer who replaced his entire head with a laser beam and, for some reason, programmed it to fire indiscriminately whenever he was sleeping?)

(I can't believe someone met Laserface Jim and lived to tell the tale)

Can't get attacked in your sleep if you're constantly attacking in your sleep.

Crasical
Apr 22, 2014

GG!*
*GET GOOD
I'm excited for chainsaw sword.

For some reason the Rats suit on Zaida reads to me as comfy casual 'Not going out today' clothing, though I'm not really sure why. I think it's the scarf.

Mecha_Face
Dec 17, 2016
Wait... this fight is supposed to be hard...? It was certainly harder than the previous receptions, but I still thwomped it. I had a lot more problems with Bloodbath, because the game never told me I could just not use cards. I must have gotten absurdly lucky when I farmed this reception.

This is the last part of the game I’ve played, also, because I got distracted by other games, and lost access to my friend’s library because of a weird glitch we can’t figure out.

Edit: oh right, people were having problems because they skipped the abno fight. Yea, doing this fight wih only one person and no abno cards would be harrowing.

Mecha_Face fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Sep 6, 2021

jimmydalad
Sep 26, 2013

My face when others are unable to appreciate the :kazooieass:

AGDQ 2018 Awful Block Survivor

TeeQueue posted:


Next time, on Library of Ruina: It's time to talk about our feelings.

I just noticed this. I’m eager to see how this is approached.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

The basics of feelings are easy to understand. But there are so many little edge cases that it boggles the mind.

Chinely
Apr 13, 2018



Oh poo poo I'm late to the party!! Hella yeah it's Ruina time!!!!! Cannot wait to see this go.

Doobeedoo
Oct 6, 2013

Trees and plants tend to grow on this Pokemon's back because it moves so little. It loves eating food while playing with tiny Pokemon.
So a lot of the Fixers never mention their Grade in-game. Like, Yun mentioned that Eri's a Grade 8 now, but his Grade didn't get talked about.
The artbook has the Grades of all the actual Fixers that show up, even if that's never said in game.

Since I have that, should I post their info after people get booked without that being mentioned? Not sure if anyone but me's interested in comparative numbers, or if posting things out of a separate product would be a generally bad thing to do.

It also has age, likes, dislikes, hobbies, etc, but I feel like posting that much is almost definitely unethical.

Doobeedoo fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Sep 6, 2021

Chinely
Apr 13, 2018



I feel it's p harmless and fairly interesting to get fixer numbers. One thing I really like that Ruina does it provide context for a lot of terms that were just mentioned and then dropped in Lobotomy Corporation - for me it clarified just how strong Gebura was to be known as the Red Mist!

HeyItsKasey
Aug 24, 2020

You ever want to just be a sea slug?
Forget card games on motorcycles, card games in libraries is where it's at.

HeyItsKasey fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Feb 21, 2022

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

OneWingedDevil
Aug 27, 2012
Considering how many animes Angela must have watched because of the anime squad in LC, that could very well be how she thinks complex card games are played.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply