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Assuming a game's difficulty curve is not built around pushing players to buy DLC that skips grinding, I don't really mind DLC that lets you skip grinding. There was a time when I could happily pour multiple hundreds of hours into an RPG and just grind endlessly for things I wanted, but that time is long past and if I can spend $2-5 to skip a couple hours of grinding that is absolutely worth my time. It wasn't paid DLC but as a recent example I was very grateful for the Vesperia Enhanced bonus packs that let you skip the more odious bits of gald/synth materials/costume grinding. Again though, the game needs to be balanced in such a way that it's not expecting you to drop extra cash, which is a hard thing to trust in these days unfortunately. Artes being tied to costume DLC sucks rear end though.
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I don't really see a need to defend the lovely practice of offering up gameplay boosts for money, even if it's been standard for over a decade. It sounds like it's at the worst it's ever been in this game, since they're now charging extra for artes. I'm glad the game is reviewing well and all, but that is definitely not something I want to see from this series.
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Sep 8, 2021 17:51
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FutureCop posted:ACG review up at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYD8HeGmh0A. Seems to be generally positive about it: notable complaints from this review was that a) they couldn't get their controller to work in the PC version so they had to do mouse/keyboard instead, b) one of the characters was pretty annoying, c) no way to reduce the audio of battle cries/chatter and d) majority of sidequests are boring filler. Hasn't been mentioned in the reviews, but in watching I did see a few boring blocky hallway dungeons which is something I'm fearful of from Berseria and other recent previous entries, but they did seem to be the minority and even despite that still more varied and pretty looking in comparison. Also there is the issue of skits no longer being the 2d art and now being these comic style panels with 3d models posing: some people are positive on this, others not, probably falls down to personal preference (for me, its kinda ok, but the poses do look to be pretty lifeless in 3d, very stiff and puppet-y).
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Sep 8, 2021 17:53
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Rascyc posted:I've watched a lot of ACG reviews but this is the first that I've heard him describe a character as a sandpaper handjob he wanted to drown, daaaang.
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Sep 8, 2021 17:56
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ive never played a tales game that was difficult enough to require grinding. at worst i has to drop the difficulty to easy for zestirias final boss because that stupid instakill gimmick along with the clunky battle system sucked.
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Sep 8, 2021 17:57
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Rascyc posted:I've watched a lot of ACG reviews but this is the first that I've heard him describe a character as a sandpaper handjob he wanted to drown, daaaang. Endorph posted:hm, that seems like a weird thing to say about a video game character Honestly that was Bienfu for me and I'll stand by those exact, specific words
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Sep 8, 2021 17:57
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I'll double down on them, in fact Eat poo poo Bienfu, you chainsmoker
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Sep 8, 2021 17:58
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Bienfu owned, gently caress the haters y’all just jealous of his cool hat.
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Sep 8, 2021 18:02
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TheKingofSprings posted:Some of that DLC is real sus Endorph Yes this practice has ruined the AC and Middle Earth franchises where the difficulty is literally non-existent and is simply any enemies like 2 levels above you can 1 shot you and take 500 hits to take down. XP boosting DLC leads to the actual worst possible design decisions. Even if they managed to mitigate that whole mess they are still charging money for cheat codes and should be dinged a couple points.
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Sep 8, 2021 18:04
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I can't imagine feeling that strongly about any of the cast. They are all basically inoffensive generic archetypes Like I guess Shionne is aggressively tsundere?
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Sep 8, 2021 18:04
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Raxivace posted:Bienfu owned, gently caress the haters y’all just jealous of his cool hat.
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Sep 8, 2021 18:06
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Exp/Gald boosters are whatever but keeping SP normally scarce and costume-specific Artes… eh, don’t like that
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Sep 8, 2021 18:07
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are we taking bets on how many of those bonuses are just from the ng+ grade shop like every other tales game
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Sep 8, 2021 18:08
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ImpAtom posted:I can't imagine feeling that strongly about any of the cast. They are all basically inoffensive generic archetypes i checked the youtube comments and that reviewer also seems to hate rita from vesperia so they just might have no taste
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Sep 8, 2021 18:10
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My greatest hope for Arise is there is no voice acting as bad as Kamoana
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Sep 8, 2021 18:18
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I'm not surprised there's an obnoxious character in a Tales game. The franchise that in it's last entry had Magilou and Kamoana.
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Sep 8, 2021 18:18
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Magilou is actually great though
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Sep 8, 2021 18:19
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what are you smoking? Magilou was great!
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Sep 8, 2021 18:19
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Imagine hating on Magilou
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Sep 8, 2021 18:19
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Senator Drinksalot posted:I'm not surprised there's an obnoxious character in a Tales game. The franchise that in it's last entry had Magilou Troll begone
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Sep 8, 2021 18:20
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kamoana is also a totally fine character, her dub va just sucked
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Sep 8, 2021 18:21
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The humor fell flat for me so all her scenes were torture.
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Sep 8, 2021 18:22
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:are we taking bets on how many of those bonuses are just from the ng+ grade shop like every other tales game I’m gonna guess all of them except the explicit level boosters are in the Grade Shop
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Sep 8, 2021 18:24
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Ugh, I really do not care for the new skit look at all. Maybe it'll grow on me over the course of a full game but from what little I've seen it has all the awkward jank of talking anime heads but with none of the charm.
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Sep 8, 2021 18:24
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Endorph posted:i checked the youtube comments and that reviewer also seems to hate rita from vesperia so they just might have no taste rita was awesome and blahblahblah TIDAL WAVE was the most broken poo poo in a tales game i can remember
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Sep 8, 2021 18:26
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OneDeadman posted:I’m gonna guess all of them except the explicit level boosters are in the Grade Shop Sort of. They are mostly just grade 1 artifacts. You get the same and better boosts during the game via sidequests. However they are separate from those boosts I don't believe there is any grade shop. Instead all artifacts can be carried over and some are NG+ only like "carry over equipment" ASenileAnimal posted:rita was awesome and blahblahblah TIDAL WAVE was the most broken poo poo in a tales game i can remember Guess what Rinwell can do right down to the blahblahblah. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Sep 8, 2021 |
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Sep 8, 2021 18:30
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multijoe posted:I don't know why you would ever want to mute the combat barks in an anime style JRPG, getting all the BORN IN A WORLD OF STRIFE lines played a thousand times until they're burned into your mind is part of the ride "Oh snap, a giant hammer: Miracle Hammer!" is burned into my mind from Anise since that's the character that my SO always played. I have no idea if that's what she actually says, but that's what I always heard I can literally hear it playing in my mind as I type this reply.
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Sep 8, 2021 18:36
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ImpAtom posted:I don't believe there is any grade shop.
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Sep 8, 2021 18:36
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Artes tied to DLC costumes is extremely suspect and I now don't want to get the DLC so as to not send the wrong message. Normally Tales is the only game I ever spend money on cosmetic stuff like costumes but now.....ehhhhhhhh. Unless you can get the artes some other way in-game Chaotic Flame fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Sep 8, 2021 |
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Sep 8, 2021 18:38
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Chaotic Flame posted:Artes tied to DLC costumes is extremely suspect and I now don't want to get the DLC so as to not send the wrong message. Normally Tales is the only game I ever spend money on cosmetic stuff like costumes but now.....ehhhhhhhh. I don't believe so. You get them from titles the DLC costumes give
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Sep 8, 2021 18:43
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ImpAtom posted:I don't believe so. You get them from titles the DLC costumes give Are the titles themselves only available through said DLC costumes, in that case?
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Senator Drinksalot posted:Yes this practice has ruined the AC and Middle Earth franchises where the difficulty is literally non-existent and is simply any enemies like 2 levels above you can 1 shot you and take 500 hits to take down. XP boosting DLC leads to the actual worst possible design decisions. That's not true at all, in AC it's the opposite and it's virtually impossible for the game to put up any kind of resistance after the first hour or two. In Shadow of War it was only true for the post game stuff then they patched it out when people complained. I can't think of any game with XP boosters that attempts to force you to buy them by making everything too hard, which the possible exception of some gatcha mobile games.
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Sep 8, 2021 19:08
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Sakurazuka posted:That's not true at all, in AC it's the opposite and it's virtually impossible for the game to put up any kind of resistance after the first hour or two. Thats not true at all, in AC Odyssey it's not possible to mainline the MQ, you have to do plenty of side quests to keep up with the lvl reqs of the gated MQ's
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Sep 8, 2021 19:26
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Yeah so you can forget about freely exploring too because even the average mook (that in any other AC game you could just stealth kill) in an area a couple levels above you is an impossible juggernaut.
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Not do the side quests?  Or you can turn the difficulty down and turn on and adjust the level scaling so that everything is the same level as you.
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Sakurazuka posted:Not do the side quests? Okay but what if you just want to have a simple well crafted experience without having to retune everything to account for the ways the dev is trying to twist your arm into buying DLC
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Sep 8, 2021 19:36
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Then do some side quests
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multijoe posted:Okay but what if you just want to have a simple well crafted experience without having to retune everything to account for the ways the dev is trying to twist your arm into buying DLC Then you stop playing Ubisoft games.
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Sep 8, 2021 19:39
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Bland posted:Then you stop playing Ubisoft games. Exactly.
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Senator Drinksalot posted:Yeah so you can forget about freely exploring too because even the average mook (that in any other AC game you could just stealth kill) in an area a couple levels above you is an impossible juggernaut. This wasn't my experience in Odyssey. I could punch way above my weight class by just animation locking individual enemies forever with abilities. I was regularly killing level 80+ mercs when I saw them while I was in the 50-60 range.
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