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Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord

This was exceptionally good

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ShellGame
Apr 10, 2016

stack 'em to the heavens

Improbable Lobster posted:

This was exceptionally good
Thank you! That one was a lot of fun for us.

As a thank you, have this stomach-turning collection of posts by people on keto.

Post poste
Mar 29, 2010

Here's my story of MAGIC COFFEE

'guyz i waz relly cold and tiired and i got a hot cup of cioffee and i felt bettar it is magick plz buy overpriced crap'

god i hate that story.

Heliotrope
Aug 17, 2007

You're fucking subhuman

I'm honestly amazed at how this guy is channeling the power of Horny to write so many words, god drat.

Is he deleting the fics himself or are they getting deleted by Ao3? I thought Ao3 let almost anything stay up. Also it looks like I need permission to access the doc when I click the link on the website.

ShellGame
Apr 10, 2016

stack 'em to the heavens

Heliotrope posted:

Also it looks like I need permission to access the doc when I click the link on the website.

oops! sorry. that should be fixed

LanceHunter
Nov 12, 2016

Beautiful People Club



The complete breakdown when Ganymede started reading the post from SuperTumor was fantastic.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Heliotrope posted:

Is he deleting the fics himself or are they getting deleted by Ao3? I thought Ao3 let almost anything stay up. Also it looks like I need permission to access the doc when I click the link on the website.
nothing in his fics would qualify for deletion on ao3. it was created because fanfiction.net would delete stuff fairly arbitrarily for being porn, even though five minutes on ff.net would tell you that is not a very consistent policy, and they'd do it to stuff that just had brief mentions or depictions of sex without really being about it. ive only seen stuff get deleted on ao3 if its very clearly not fanfiction (and even that is fairly loose since you can have an unhinged political rant go on for pages and itll be fine so long as you also mention that goku is in the room listening to your unhinged political rant) or if it contains real-world information about someone. so i have to imagine that he's deleting it himself.

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)

I looked up what sort of diet you should follow if you've had gallbladder surgery, and you should eat more whole grain and avoid high fat foods and dairy (from mayoclinic.com). Great if you're a keto jackass!

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

The dialectical struggle of history has always, essentially, been a question of how to apply justice to matter. Take away matter and what remains is justice.
Goku reads, and agrees 100% with, my posts

Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


it's crow time again

tokin opposition posted:

Goku reads, and agrees 100% with, my pants
(:hmmyes:)
|/
:goku:

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)

Note, I am not a doctor, only going from what I remember from my nutrition and gastroenterology lectures from nursing school.

The people whose breath or sweat smell like ammonia are probably suffering from ketoacidosis, which is when your blood contains too many ketones (a waste product of breaking down fat), and they transfer into your breath. If you have ketoacidosis and don't have type 1 diabetes, you're not feeling well, because the body is eating itself to survive.

The person who leaked orange oil from their butt is probably eating too much fat for the body to handle. The gallbladder produces bile which breaks down fat into more manageable forms, but if you're eating too much fat it just goes through your GI tract and passes through the other end. Diarrhea is a very common result, but I can imagine that you can also get oil leakage if you eat extremely fatty foods at all times.

EDIT: I don't think keto is an inherently unhealthy diet, as long as you eat sensibly.

Philippe fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Sep 4, 2021

Jestery
Aug 2, 2016


Not a Dickman, just a shape

Philippe posted:

Note, I am not a doctor, only going from what I remember from my nutrition and gastroenterology lectures from nursing school.

The people whose breath or sweat smell like ammonia are probably suffering from ketoacidosis, which is when your blood contains too many ketones (a waste product of breaking down fat), and they transfer into your breath. If you have ketoacidosis and don't have type 1 diabetes, you're not feeling well, because the body is eating itself to survive.

The person who leaked orange oil from their butt is probably eating too much fat for the body to handle. The gallbladder produces bile which breaks down fat into more manageable forms, but if you're eating too much fat it just goes through your GI tract and passes through the other end. Diarrhea is a very common result, but I can imagine that you can also get oil leakage if you eat extremely fatty foods at all times.

EDIT: I don't think keto is an inherently unhealthy diet, as long as you eat sensibly.

I agree, but this is also a good example of people looking for a miracle cure for what ails them (possibly as much mental as it is physical) and not realising any sort of fix requires sustained low level effort and them just metaphorically trying to bake a cake at twice the heat for half the time

Captain Fargle
Feb 16, 2011

I'm glad everyone else found Anders as funny as I did. Shame he keeps deleting everything. I can't help but wonder if I he had already removed a bunch of stuff when I put the doc together.

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)

Jestery posted:

I agree, but this is also a good example of people looking for a miracle cure for what ails them (possibly as much mental as it is physical) and not realising any sort of fix requires sustained low level effort and them just metaphorically trying to bake a cake at twice the heat for half the time

Oh yeah, definitely. You can't just chow down on sticks of butter and steak and expect to lose weight or feel good about yourself!

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord
The Keto diet was originally developed as a way to treat epilepsy because ketones can sometimes help with that for some reason. It's still occasionally prescribed for medication resistant epilepsy

Jestery
Aug 2, 2016


Not a Dickman, just a shape
Also, I'm not an expert

But I know there is a condition called ketoacidosis where you gently caress up your insulin and blood sugar to the point your blood is acidic enough to eat away at your blood vessels and it's seems plausible that being dumb and loving with your body's sugars and ketones can melts your blood vessels

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Jestery posted:

Also, I'm not an expert

But I know there is a condition called ketoacidosis where you gently caress up your insulin and blood sugar to the point your blood is acidic enough to eat away at your blood vessels and it's seems plausible that being dumb and loving with your body's sugars and ketones can melts your blood vessels

Physiologic ketosis and ketoacidosis are two different things. Usually if you’re in ketoacidosis either you’re an extreme alcoholic whose body chemistry and liver is hosed 8 ways to Sunday, or a diabetic whose blood is full of sugar molecules that can’t get into cells since you either have no insulin or you’re very insulin resistant. Insulin also stops your body from dumping the fatty acids that turn into ketones like crazy, so if you’re insulin deficient/resistant, that’s a big part of what pushes it to DKA instead of ketosis.

Jestery
Aug 2, 2016


Not a Dickman, just a shape

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Physiologic ketosis and ketoacidosis are two different things. Usually if you’re in ketoacidosis either you’re an extreme alcoholic whose body chemistry and liver is hosed 8 ways to Sunday, or a diabetic whose blood is full of sugar molecules that can’t get into cells since you either have no insulin or you’re very insulin resistant. Insulin also stops your body from dumping the fatty acids that turn into ketones like crazy, so if you’re insulin deficient/resistant, that’s a big part of what pushes it to DKA instead of ketosis.

Makes sense, a good friend of mine is diabetic and has mentioned it offhandedly

The description enough is :stonk:

And I figure there is similar :stonk: with what theses people are doing to themselves (like mr gall bladder)

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

The dialectical struggle of history has always, essentially, been a question of how to apply justice to matter. Take away matter and what remains is justice.
Keto diet is a long con by cannibals who wanted easy access to foie gras. We're they working with the hollow earth mole people or the lizard Queen? Who can say.

Jestery
Aug 2, 2016


Not a Dickman, just a shape

tokin opposition posted:

Keto diet is a long con by cannibals who wanted easy access to foie gras. We're they working with the hollow earth mole people or the lizard Queen? Who can say.

Human, deep friend in their own orange oil

Megabound
Oct 20, 2012

It's no weirder than Haggis I suppose

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



SA's own elise the great wrote this description of diabetic ketoacidosis that is a good read for any people you know with type 1 who won't take care of themselves.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

I have to listen to the keto ep again with the doc, one of your best. It's horrible but extremely funny. Poor Lesbiathan, I thought she was going to implode at one point.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord
Keto can actually be reasonable healthy if you're eating a lot of veggies and keeping it clean instead of drinking coffee flavoured coconut oil to wash down your lard salad

A Moose
Oct 22, 2009



Improbable Lobster posted:

Keto can actually be reasonable healthy if you're eating a lot of veggies and keeping it clean instead of drinking coffee flavoured coconut oil to wash down your lard salad

That's the point though. There's a pretty good Sawbones episode about the keto diet, and they mentioned that it was originally only used for children because they're the only people who would stick to the diet because they can mostly only eat what they're given. It sucks so bad that almost nobody who does it voluntarily is doing it right.

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


A Moose posted:

That's the point though. There's a pretty good Sawbones episode about the keto diet, and they mentioned that it was originally only used for children because they're the only people who would stick to the diet because they can mostly only eat what they're given. It sucks so bad that almost nobody who does it voluntarily is doing it right.

Also wasn't it originally a flailing attempt to deal with one person's kid's epilepsy, that first ballooned into some scientific child abuse, and now is just the fad diet for people who want to eat a ton of bacon?

ShellGame
Apr 10, 2016

stack 'em to the heavens
True understanding of the Dream Fiction Wiki is to accept that one cannot truly understand the Dream Fiction Wiki

Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


it's crow time again

I went back to the original episode and someone in the comments did a deep dive on the history of the Dream Fiction Wiki

quote:

I figured out what the Dream Fiction Wiki is.

So, there's a Fandom wiki called Logopedia. Logopedia is a non-fiction reference wiki for corporate logos current and historical. It is not a place to put logos you made up. That's why the Dream Logos Wiki was created, so that the users of Logopedia who were unbound by the petty constraints of the real world could make up logos to their heart's content. But all was not well in the Dream Logos Wiki, because one of its early admins was someone named Kaylor Blakely. Kaylor Blakely got into a bunch of edit wars with other users of the Dream Logos Wiki, and was successfully ousted by the main character of this story: CoolGamer23

CoolGamer23, also known as Susumo Takajima, Driller, and Drillimation, was very proud of his wikis. He contributed to a number of them, including the Creation Wiki (the one on Fandom, not the creation science one) and the GoAnimate Community wiki. That's one for the community that used one of those "automatically generate a cartoon video!" services to make webcomics. I think that's where CoolGamer23 had his start. His angle was "I want to tell everyone about my very good thing." So, he takes over the Dream Logos Wiki from Kaylor Blakley. For a while afterward, Blakley still tries to promote his wiki he formed for his stuff after being kicked off of the Dream Logos Wiki; because his new wiki is the "Dream Kaleidoscope Wiki" he got remembered for putting "kaleidoscope ads" on Dream Logos Wiki.

With Kaylor in the past, CoolGamer23 looked to expand his wiki cred. And there was a Fandom wiki called Fiction Foundry that he was a big fan of. Also, the Dream Logos Wiki community is kind of specifically focused on logos, while these people want to be able to post about their fictional worlds. So he extended the "brand" of Dream ____ Wiki to include the Dream Fiction Wiki, whose format was supposed to be the same as Fiction Foundry. "Write about your worldbuilding here." (Fiction Foundry later noticed the Dream Fiction Wiki and went "oh, look, a site like ours" and the act of being noticed got lovingly memorialized on several pages.) Everything is going along well now, aside from the occasional rascally vandal.

During this time, CoolGamer23 was also working on that game that Frank bought. When he published it, he went into the Dream Logos/Fiction wiki themes and added a bunch of advertisement for his game on Steam. This upset other users, who thought it wasn't fair that the admin was using the wiki to "advertise" his game. This culminated in a crisis on Discord, where the entire server was muted for two days so no one but the mod team could post. A number of accusations were flung around, but because every source on this is either from the pro-CoolGamer faction or the anti-CoolGamer faction, it's difficult to tell what's true. The anti-CoolGamerites claimed he had a big ego and was trying to make his wiki the "biggest" on Fandom. The pro-CoolGamerites insisted he was technically within his rights as described by the Fandom code of conduct.

Disgraced after this controversy, CoolGamer23 was put up for impeachment and lost control over the Dream Logos/Dream Fiction wikis. They even banned him, which they didn't even do to Kaylor Blakley when he was impeached. But because community sentiment was split, a lot of the pages on the wikis themselves are the version of events which both sides could agree on. They call the ads he put up "partially controversial". This sort of doublespeak is absent from other sources, such as the Wiki Wiki ("a wiki about wikis") where the page about the Dream Fiction Wiki mentions the specific accusation that he was trying to inflate his wiki's statistics, or from the Dream Fiction Wiki articles about Blakley that straight up talk poo poo about his stupid kaleidoscope wiki for assholes that no one liked.

So at present, the Dream Fiction Wiki admin position has passed onto the moderation team that took over from CoolGamer23, who seem to be less egotistical. They're still admins of a wiki, so obviously the position self-selects for narcissism, but the most recent drama is all about the Great Dream Purge, where a vandal deleted a bunch of people's pages. CoolGamer23 is still posting, but has gone back to other wikis that didn't rebel against him.

I went digging because I thought it'd be like, "this is the wiki where everyone banned from a Youtube Let's Play fan wiki got sent", I didn't realize it was going to be the tragic tale of the hubris of CoolGamer23.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat
:holymoley:

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

The dialectical struggle of history has always, essentially, been a question of how to apply justice to matter. Take away matter and what remains is justice.
Cool gamer did nothing wrong

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
I fell down a youtube hole of some Minecraft like...scripted drama slash LP called Dream something and for a second in the first episode I thought that was it and was like 'drat these guys got Japan and Tohou folded into this weird Game Of Thrones For Kids thing?' and honestly nothing became clearer when I realized it was its own thing.

Also


tokin opposition posted:

Cool gamer did nothing wrong

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

sexpig by night posted:

I fell down a youtube hole of some Minecraft like...scripted drama slash LP called Dream something

I lurk on Archive of Our Own a lot, because I'm a crap hound, and the "most recently posted" listing is always covered in incredibly overwrought fanfiction about this Minecraft thing, because obviously the world needs a ton of hyper-angsty high-school AUs about guys named "Tubbo." It would probably be decent document material if I had the slightest idea what was going on.

miniscule12
Jan 8, 2020

HAHA YEAH HE PEED IN HIS OWN MOUTH I'M GONNA KEEP BRINGING IT UP.

sexpig by night posted:

I fell down a youtube hole of some Minecraft like...scripted drama slash LP called Dream something and for a second in the first episode I thought that was it and was like 'drat these guys got Japan and Tohou folded into this weird Game Of Thrones For Kids thing?' and honestly nothing became clearer when I realized it was its own thing.

Also

Are you talking about Dream SMP? Dream (a content creator) and SMP (survival multiplayer).

I know that blew up huge with zoomers and like 20 new youtube superstars were born from it. I would not be surprised if there was a huge fandom around it.

miniscule12 fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Sep 10, 2021

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

miniscule12 posted:

Are you talking about Dream SMP? Dream (a content creator) and SMP (survival multiplayer).

I know that blew up huge with zoomers and like 20 new youtube superstars were born from it. I would not be surprised if there was a huge fandom around it.

oh my dude it is huge, I do not understand it at all but the kids seem to be having fun and I don't think anyone's been diddled yet so hey.


Antivehicular posted:

I lurk on Archive of Our Own a lot, because I'm a crap hound, and the "most recently posted" listing is always covered in incredibly overwrought fanfiction about this Minecraft thing, because obviously the world needs a ton of hyper-angsty high-school AUs about guys named "Tubbo." It would probably be decent document material if I had the slightest idea what was going on.

yea it feels like there should be stuff that'd work for at least an Extra Credit Short or something but so much seems to be based in actual youtube/twitch videos and a weirdly deep web of context that I couldn't find an easy 'slice' of it to do when I too thought it'd be good doc material.

Because yea an overwrought fanfic comment war about how 'Tubbo' totally betrayed 'Technoblade' at the third war for Pogtopia and is A GODDAMN SOCIOPATH for it is really funny when you realize these are minecraft people talking about putting TNT in each other's houses.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
Dream is a liar and cheater in the Speedrun community and weaponized his preteen canvases to harass the speedrunning researchers and moderators who caught him before finally admitting to it, sort of, months later.

Lumbermouth
Mar 6, 2008

GREG IS BIG NOW


Hearthcliff, you rascal

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Lumbermouth posted:

Hearthcliff, you rascal

always wearing his 'harm' hat!

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

DoctorWhat posted:

Dream is a liar and cheater in the Speedrun community and weaponized his preteen canvases to harass the speedrunning researchers and moderators who caught him before finally admitting to it, sort of, months later.

Oh no, he cheated at a video game? Poor people who have to bear the brunt of this violation of trust, such as *check notes* speedrun researchers????

Djeser
Mar 22, 2013


it's crow time again

I think it's more the "waged a harassment campaign by proxy through his fans" part that was the problem.

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DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
Yeah that should say "fanbase" not "canvases"

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