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Ur Getting Fatter posted:For some reason I can't explain, I love reading the Quora digest emails I get every day. It's always either some reasonable question that gets insane answers, or vice versa. This sounds like ethically repugnant horseshit, and neither side is currently doing much to convince me they give a poo poo about coronavirus in this country. 
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:Today I got this one, and I was wondering if this guy's numbers check out. He never provides any sources, of course, and I don't know how you'd break the death numbers by party without a lot of assumptions. He probably just combined the stats on party membership, vaccination rates by party, and vaccination rates among covid casualties. It's just a correlation, so file it alongside "demographic drift" in the pile of things that promise to save the world automatically without real activism and effort
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Sep 11, 2021 18:01
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Professor Beetus posted:This sounds like ethically repugnant horseshit, and neither side is currently doing much to convince me they give a poo poo about coronavirus in this country. A dude posted:It certainly has an air of truthiness about it These were both my exact thoughts. It's horrible and ghoulish, but it's true.
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Sep 11, 2021 18:20
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Biden isn't doing what needs to be done on Covid because doing anything substantial will hurt the economy that matters much more to him and politicians than lives do. Also, he was a senator for decades and nothing the senate likes doing more than doing nothing. Don't need to do elaborate electoral math, it's money.
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There's a looooooot of complaining going on where I work about the vaccine mandate here in Ohio. Shouldn't be surprising since I had two coworkers who asked if I'd tried putting a magnet on my arm after ingot my shot in spring
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Stopped by the front desk in my office to find our office manager spitting mad because she'd just learned she'd been written up for not turning in proof of vaccination or doing surveillance testing. Said she didn't know she was supposed to do either, which is...unlikely, given the volume of messaging we've gotten about it. Plus this lady's repeatedly gone to the hospital in the last month for unrelated reasons, so I'm guessing somebody's told her about the vaccine once or twice. I wish in the moment I'd had the presence of mind to tell her that she's threatening the well-being of the various immunocompromised people coming through our office, but the best I could muster up in the moment that didn't involve profanity was "Did they at least give you information about how you can get vaccinated?" She waved a vax card at me with one dose marked the day prior. I guess that's as close as I'm getting to a win here?
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Bizarre Echo posted:Stopped by the front desk in my office to find our office manager spitting mad because she'd just learned she'd been written up for not turning in proof of vaccination or doing surveillance testing. Said she didn't know she was supposed to do either, which is...unlikely, given the volume of messaging we've gotten about it. Plus this lady's repeatedly gone to the hospital in the last month for unrelated reasons, so I'm guessing somebody's told her about the vaccine once or twice. Ask her if she's getting her 5G signal yet. Just kidding obviously, every vaccination is a victory at this point. 
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Professor Beetus posted:Ask her if she's getting her 5G signal yet. Start chanting, "One of us... One of us" at her.
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Bizarre Echo posted:Stopped by the front desk in my office to find our office manager spitting mad because she'd just learned she'd been written up for not turning in proof of vaccination or doing surveillance testing. Said she didn't know she was supposed to do either, which is...unlikely, given the volume of messaging we've gotten about it. Plus this lady's repeatedly gone to the hospital in the last month for unrelated reasons, so I'm guessing somebody's told her about the vaccine once or twice. Hell yeah, the system works. This is how we get to 80%, 90%.
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CDC finally acknowledges N95 masks exist and can be used to protect yourself from covid! https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/types-of-masks.html quote:Updated the section on Masks that Meet a Standard quote:Other examples include 1st, DL2, DL3, DS2, DS3, FFP2, FFP3, KN100, KP95, KP100, P2, P3, PFF2, PFF3, R95, Like even a child sized N95 level mask can't be certified as N95 in the US, because our mask regulation is for workplaces, and kids shouldn't be in workplaces that require respiratory protection. Except now they are being exposed to respiratory dangers in school, and we lack internal regulations to certify masks needed to protect them from that. (And any political will to protect them, but that's another issue.) N95 tier masks are great, because they meet the protection level of the and risks and transmissibility presented by covid. Please wear them any time you're potentially sharing air with people. Edit: Exhalation valves are called out in the cloth mask section, and the international section, but not in the NIOSH certified section. "Do NOT wear ... International respirators with exhalation valves or vents". This matches their existing study with NIOSH filtering face respirators that shows them being as effective at source control as cloth or surgical masks, but doesn't explicitly spell it out. jetz0r fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Sep 11, 2021 |
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Scheduled to get my 3rd on Tuesday. A friend of a friend is a pharmacist and is sick of having to toss partly full vials of vaccine away at the end of the day. Provided there's a partial vial I'll be getting my booster then. If not, then another day. So we're not taking shots out of anyone else's arms, just getting what would otherwise be wasted. Mrs Underbridge and I are both teachers, and even in my small private school we've already had a student test positive. She's in a public system, and so faces a lot more kids overall. Luckily we're in a state that mandates proper mask usage inschools, and my school has been really good so far with measures. Even so, we both would feel better protected with a booster.
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jetz0r posted:CDC finally acknowledges N95 masks exist and can be used to protect yourself from covid! A month ago they made a subtle change to the worse page. Now it only says that you shouldn’t wear ‘N95 respirators labeled as “surgical” or “medical”’. So the ones at the hardware store are O.K. now, but don’t trumpet it from the rooftops.  We wouldn’t want to encourage people to take measures commensurate with the worst pandemic in living memory.
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MMWR on portable hepa filters: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e1.htm?s_cid=mm7027e1_w CDC now recommending N95s "in some situations" now that shortages are gone: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/types-of-masks.html
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:For some reason I can't explain, I love reading the Quora digest emails I get every day. It's always either some reasonable question that gets insane answers, or vice versa. Even if these numbers were true, a 640 margin a day is not enough to make a difference. Over a 150 days that just adds up to 96,000. Spread out over the whole country, that isn't flipping any state.
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Bill Maher last Friday once again railed at the CDC for not talking about the connection between obesity and COVID deaths, but he totally ignores why food is the "3rd Rail" in American Politics. So I wrote a letter to him: https://medium.com/weight-loss-truths/covid-and-obesity-an-open-letter-to-bill-maher-2bbf72df8102
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On infection-acquired immunity and vaccine mandates: besides the fact that infection-acquired immunity is likely not as broad-based and vaccination offers clear benefits on top of prior infection there's a very obvious reason why it's not great public health policy to say "you have to either get vaccinated or infected, whichever"...
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VideoGameVet posted:Bill Maher last Friday once again railed at the CDC for not talking about the connection between obesity and COVID deaths, but he totally ignores why food is the "3rd Rail" in American Politics. Whoa, 78% of COVID deaths were overweight, in a country where....74% of adults are overweight. I think any Bayesian has to  at that apparent revelation.It's a decent article, but you have a syntactic error in your opening sentence fwiw
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Failed Imagineer posted:Whoa, 78% of COVID deaths were overweight, in a country where....74% of adults are overweight. I think any Bayesian has to Thank you. And Grammery didn't catch it. Fixed.
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TBF (for a second), obesity is associated with increased likelihood of hospitalization/ICU admission/death, and moreso in young adults. The overall relative risk is smaller because the risk gap is smaller for older folks who are the highest risk of hospitalization/death. The overall rates obscure the more specific trends, though it's also likely that comorbidities that are not necessarily sequelae account for a portion of the risk attributable to obesity. The RR is going to be an upper bound on any reduction in risk due to weight loss, etc, and the actual average effect would likely be much lower. On the other hand, on the scale of the nation obesity absolutely cannot be addressed without addressing a shitload of underlying societal and economic problems and Maher is an rear end in a top hat man-baby with nothing to offer. And obviously on the scale of COVID right now, "eat better" is useless and "lose weight" isn't much better. Doubly-so in light of all of the structural issues VGV highlighted. Anyone remember this horribly counter-productive public health campaign from 2012 [stigmatizing content warning]? This poo poo is worse than useless.
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Stickman posted:TBF (for a second), obesity is associated with increased likelihood of hospitalization/ICU admission/death, and moreso in young adults. How seriously should I take these links considering the prevalence maps on the first one are self-reported obseity and the outcomes in the links go by BMI? I would assume COVID outcomes are most strongly dependent on cardiovascular health, which I can imagine is correlated with obesity but not necessarily causally linked to.
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VideoGameVet posted:Bill Maher last Friday once again railed at the CDC for not talking about the connection between obesity and COVID deaths, but he totally ignores why food is the "3rd Rail" in American Politics. Despite getting you a 3 day probe for posting it in YLLS (lol), this is excellent content for DND and I really wanted to highlight it. It's a great reminder that it's obnoxious to blame individuals for systemic and structural problems, even if we find them personally repugnant. Also new OP looks pretty good right now if a bit lacking and got feedback that amounted to "pretty good," but I plan on rotating things out and updating and will try to always keep the updated date in the thread title. New thread goes up Monday at some point and we'll have a fresh Covid thread to poo poo up. 
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A big gently caress you to the Publix pharmacist that insisted that CDC guidelines say you can't give someone a Covid vaccine on the right arm "except for medical reasons". Love to have my dominant arm rendered useless for no good reason. I'm reading the CDC guidelines out of spite and can't find anything about it. (no it isn't a big deal, I'm just salty).
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That's not sinister at all.
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:A big gently caress you to the Publix pharmacist that insisted that CDC guidelines say you can't give someone a Covid vaccine on the right arm "except for medical reasons". Lol I got asked which one I prefered each time.
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:A big gently caress you to the Publix pharmacist that insisted that CDC guidelines say you can't give someone a Covid vaccine on the right arm "except for medical reasons". lol the directions to providers don’t mention arms at all. It’s an intramuscular injection and the deltoid is just a good first choice  https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download Same for Moderna, still under EUA “Administer the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine intramuscularly”, no mention of the arm. https://www.fda.gov/media/144637/download  https://slate.com/technology/2021/02/can-you-get-the-vaccine-in-your-butt.html Yes. Yes you can. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Sep 13, 2021 |
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:A big gently caress you to the Publix pharmacist that insisted that CDC guidelines say you can't give someone a Covid vaccine on the right arm "except for medical reasons".
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Platystemon posted:lol the directions to providers don’t mention arms at all. It’s an intramuscular injection and the deltoid is just a good first choice I genuinely wonder what the story is here. I know in industrial applications (especially when safety critical) we will give exactly one set of instructions when training people, and even if there is technically more than one “correct” way to do something those instructions should never be deviated from. This removes ambiguity and thus the potential for mishaps or work defects. I’m curious if they didn’t train pharm techs or something with exactly one correct way to administer the vaccine as a CYA sort of thing to prevent similar mistakes. IDK how common that sort of thing is in the medical field though.
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TheSlutPit posted:I genuinely wonder what the story is here. I know in industrial applications (especially when safety critical) we will give exactly one set of instructions when training people, and even if there is technically more than one “correct” way to do something those instructions should never be deviated from. This removes ambiguity and thus the potential for mishaps or work defects. I’m curious if they didn’t train pharm techs or something with exactly one correct way to administer the vaccine as a CYA sort of thing to prevent similar mistakes. IDK how common that sort of thing is in the medical field though. Pharm tech who has been giving COVID shots for one of the major US pharmacies speaking. My first question before the receiver sits down is which arm they want it in, and I adjust the sitting situation accordingly. Pharmacy workflow where they are more efficient by only giving left arm shots is something I would want no part of. Something fucky is going on there. hcreight fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Sep 13, 2021 |
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I was asked which arm I wanted no. 2 in, I picked the opposite arm I got for no. 1, was told I was an idiot for picking my dominant arm and she put it in the other. I was thankful.
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i'm in canada although even prior vax in the states have been the same. i went to a mass clinic and it was set up, as you'd expect, with everything one way and each time i just asked if i could flip the chair around
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Question, though I don't know if there's an answer. My best friend's husband has covid. He is vaccinated (don't know which shot), but very obese. As in, easily over 300. What are his chances, would you guess? I'm happy he's vaxxed but kinda fearful of his weight
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:Question, though I don't know if there's an answer. no one in this thread should be making those sorts of analyses imo it's a rough situation and i'm sorry, though, i'm sure it's a stressful thing
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:Question, though I don't know if there's an answer. Like nearly everyone, the most likely outcome will be that he will okay. He's at somewhat higher risk than other (vaccinated) peers, but the higher risk associated with obesity and even CVD are dwarfed by the effects of age and vaccination. And sorry for the lovely situation 
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haveblue posted:Clearly you need to find a more dexterous pharmacist I think they’d need a sinister pharmacist to truly understand.
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She also incorrectly said the CDC doesn't recommend taking ibuprofen to relieve side-effects, but her two wrongs didn't make a right.
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:She also incorrectly said the CDC doesn't recommend taking ibuprofen to relieve side-effects, but her two wrongs didn't make a right. No that would take three lefts 
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Don't make me close this thread early.  I keed I keed, have your fun and
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So what's it mean when organizations claim that a booster is "unnecessary" without any further explanation? Does one only become "necessary" when the effectiveness of the existing doses drops below a certain level? Because I would consider going from 90% to 95% extremely loving necessary myself.
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