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Professor Beetus posted:I've only ever tried to claim a warranty for a logitech mouse and they sent me a brand new replacement for a 4 year old gaming mouse with very few questions asked. I dread the day I am forced to try and claim a warranty for an actual big ticket item. Yeah, same, I had a warranty issue with a piece of music gear, and the company was exceptionally accommodating (IK Multimedia in case anyone is curious, I will sing their praises to everyone!). Mid-ticket items (like appliances vs. bigger-ticket items like cars) seem like the area where they like to gently caress you over. It's often not enough money that they'll get sued over a failure to address the problem, and more often than not, people will go "gently caress it I just want a better one that won't break in the first loving place, rather than wading through this hell to repair a thing I already hate." That's what my parents did with a terminally hexed washer/dryer pair; they just got the gently caress rid of it and bought a really nice LG pair that was far superior to the ones that were broken anyway.
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BiggerBoat posted:You guys ought to try claiming a warranty sometime.
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weaponized lovely bureaucracy is unfortunately a widespread practice. a while ago i had to discontinue a payroll card because it required a monthly "maintenance fee"  . rather than a webpage where i could enter my information i had to personally call a number, input data using the phone keypad and verbal commands, then wait on hold until i was attached to an actual person who confirmed that i wanted to cancel. the obvious ploy was to make it as much of a pain in the rear end as possible to discontinue so they could keep draining money.side note: is anyone able to spell "bureaucracy" without looking it up? i have to spellcheck every time
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BiggerBoat posted:You guys ought to try claiming a warranty sometime. I claim warranties and insurance all the time on all my electronic devices. It's all automated websites and I never have to talk to a real person? Just last month I shattered my phone screen and the guy drove out two days later
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Sep 15, 2021 23:30
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BiggerBoat posted:Anyone watched Mike Judge's Silicon Valley? It touches on a lot of poo poo we get on about in this thread but this little clip in particular is basically my entire relationship with just about anything tech related, especially if it's new and "cutting edge"  lmao
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Calumanjaro posted:My phone wanted me to download their app to diagnose my non-functional phone. And wouldn't let me progress until I tried that. That checks out. Thanks for the belly laugh too.
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Stexils posted:weaponized lovely bureaucracy is unfortunately a widespread practice. a while ago i had to discontinue a payroll card because it required a monthly "maintenance fee" I just remember that it's "bureau cracy," from the Greek bureau kratia, i.e. "rule by a chest of drawers." 
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Stexils posted:side note: is anyone able to spell "bureaucracy" without looking it up? i have to spellcheck every time I mentally split it into "bureau" + the "-cracy" suffix, and that works for me. I guess taking French in grade school helped since that makes it way easier to spell "bureau".
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thats the part that gets me. i always want to add an o somewhere
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BiggerBoat posted:Anyone watched Mike Judge's Silicon Valley? It touches on a lot of poo poo we get on about in this thread but this little clip in particular is basically my entire relationship with just about anything tech related, especially if it's new and "cutting edge" I'm sure it's been quoted in the thread before, but there are a few articles where they pointed out how hard it was to parody Silicon Valley. Here's one of them https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/how-silicon-valley-nails-silicon-valley. That conference for start-ups in the first season was apparently a huge pain. They had to come up with names for the various background groups, and a lot of the stupid names they came up with were already being used by real companies. Hell, some people (even a few goons) saw that joke about the machine that would low-grade microwave everyone in a room to warm them up as a joke about a stupid Luddite journalist who didn't understand THE SCIENCE!. Also as mentioned in the linked article, one of their favorite stories is meeting with the Moonshot program guy at Google who was deeply offended by the show. He made a little prepared speech, which ended with him trying to rollerskate away only to get awkwardly stuck trying to swipe his ID.
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Stexils posted:thats the part that gets me. i always want to add an o somewhere If I don't remember to do the "Bureau" and "cracy" trick, I will definitly try and spell if "Beauro" every goddamn time. I think because I had a lot of trouble spelling "beautiful" as a kid and so anything that might even remotely get the letters of "beau" in it somewhere catches those old memories. And my highschool French mental word filter. And you can literally hear the "rock" sound in there, too. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Sep 16, 2021 |
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https://twitter.com/taylorogan/status/1438141148816609285?s=21 I’m surprised this thing hasn’t murdered any pedestrians yet
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Jose Valasquez posted:I’m surprised this thing hasn’t murdered any pedestrians yet Do you mean that particular Tesla? Because otherwise, I have news for you.
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Jose Valasquez posted:https://twitter.com/taylorogan/status/1438141148816609285?s=21 How the gently caress are insurance companies okay with this, lol. Edit: Oh wait Tesla issues the insurance right?
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"Still not perfect, but a big improvement" he said, scraping off the pedestrian from his windshield.
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Less Fat Luke posted:How the gently caress are insurance companies okay with this, lol. Insurance companies are willing to put up with a surprising amount if you pay them more.
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duz posted:Insurance companies are willing to put up with a surprising amount if you pay them more. One thing I am curious about is the financial (actuarial?) model for insuring self driving cars. Aren't current models based on individual drivers being independent in a statistical sense?
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eXXon posted:Do you mean that particular Tesla? Because otherwise, I have news for you. I haven't seen anything about Tesla autopiloting into pedestrians, just other cars. I absolutely believe it, I just haven't seen it
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Sagacity posted:"Still not perfect, but a big improvement" he said, scraping off the pedestrian from his windshield. In his previous video the Tesla kept trying to drive into the barriers, so killing pedestrians is considered an improvement over that if you're in the car
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Jose Valasquez posted:https://twitter.com/taylorogan/status/1438141148816609285?s=21 This dumb motherfucker was trying this stunt in downtown Seattle. I would normally never suggest this, but if you have a twitter account maybe tag the shitheads @SeattlePD.
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Solkanar512 posted:This dumb motherfucker was trying this stunt in downtown Seattle. I would normally never suggest this, but if you have a twitter account maybe tag the shitheads @SeattlePD. That made me legit angry. Luckily this portion of the road seemed rather empty at this time, but this is an area where you absolutely do not want to let
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MickeyFinn posted:One thing I am curious about is the financial (actuarial?) model for insuring self driving cars. Aren't current models based on individual drivers being independent in a statistical sense? Yes, insurable risks have to be relatively independent. But self-driving cars probably would be relatively independent. Mathematically independence means one Tesla running a baby stroller over doesn't increase the probability of a different Tesla doing the same thing. Although they can both he very high.
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Calumanjaro posted:Yes, insurable risks have to be relatively independent. But self-driving cars probably would be relatively independent. Mathematically independence means one Tesla running a baby stroller over doesn't increase the probability of a different Tesla doing the same thing. Although they can both he very high. If Teslae are running over strollers at a rate measurably higher than other vehicles, however,
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Yeah once automatic driving is well established your insurance will probably be based on some combination of the vehicle’s physical characteristics (how well it can avoid accidents and how much damage it does if it gets into one) and the auto drive software package.
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Jose Valasquez posted:I haven't seen anything about Tesla autopiloting into pedestrians, just other cars. I absolutely believe it, I just haven't seen it You might be correct that this is the first reported case of a Tesla plowing directly into a person while on autopilot, at least in the US. There was a lawsuit filed last year for a fatality in Japan way back in 2018, where a Tesla accelerated into some motorcycles parked in front of a van and killed someone standing nearby in the process. It's unclear whether it hit the person or the motorcycles first, but since that alleges that the autopilot failed to recognize the pedestrian and parked vehicles, I think it qualifies. There was another incident just last month where a Tesla hit a parked car and killed someone. Skimming the article, it doesn't seem clear as to whether the victim had just gotten into the driver's seat or was still partly outside. At any rate, the novelty of smashing into people standing on their own rather than next to parked vehicles is not a point in Tesla's favour.
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goatsestretchgoals posted:Yeah once automatic driving is well established your insurance will probably be based on some combination of the vehicle’s physical characteristics (how well it can avoid accidents and how much damage it does if it gets into one) and the auto drive software package. And your typical routes, which will gently caress non wealth havers even harder
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Solkanar512 posted:This dumb motherfucker was trying this stunt in downtown Seattle. I would normally never suggest this, but if you have a twitter account maybe tag the shitheads @SeattlePD. The stunt of...turning on AI assisted driving on a city road, while keeping his hands primed and ready to immediately grab the wheel when the car tries to do something dangerous? He wasn't sitting in the back with a weight on the driver's seat, he grabbed the wheel and corrected the course every time the AI tried to cause damage (which happened more times than it should have). He was actually using the feature the way it's "meant" to be used (despite Tesla's marketing trying real hard to lie about it).
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It's still strange to me that in order to read or learn about just about anything related to news that I have to watch ads and that my ad blocker is a problem. But I find it hard to articulate precisely why. I get that the writers and journalists need to make money but, on the other hand, doesn't having big corporations paying for it compromise the news itself? What if the ad buyers ARE the news, the criminals and the ones doing poo poo worthy of reporting on? The idea of having anything worth reading or watching being directly tied to advertising troubles me - but then I go look at stuff from the 40's and 50's where radio and TV took hold and realize it's always been like this and I feel naive. poo poo like Fred Flintstone and Joe DiMaggio smoking cigarettes. And not just naive but...disconnected and unable to relate to the way things function. Detached maybe. The idea that it's always been this way only feeds my cynicism. It's a loving arms race trying to protect yourself from ads. Youtube is knifing its way through my ad blockers and other news websites won't let me READ things until I learn about the new Acura. And a lot of people LIKE ads. A lot of people who don't enjoy NFL football watch the Super Bowl JUST for the ads. But it's just such an inherently dishonest form of communication that I can't wrap my head around why anyone embraces it. I used to work in advertising, and still do to some extent since I have to make money in order to live, but they're all built on deception, seduction and lies. Every single one of them. It's depressing.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/16/geofence-warrants-reverse-search-warrants-police-google https://www.wired.com/story/geofence-warrants-google/ quote:In January 2020, an alarming email from Google landed in McCoy’s inbox. Police were requesting his user data, the company told him, and McCoy had seven days to go to court and block its release. So if looks like you have to disable location and/or turn on airplane mode to avoid incriminating yourself just by being in a certain place and time with your phone now that Google is just giving out location data like candy to cops? Or is just disabling Location enough since police would have to request cell tower records from phone companies in that case?
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Jose Valasquez posted:https://twitter.com/taylorogan/status/1438141148816609285?s=21 lmao someone dmca'd the video in this post https://twitter.com/k_pendergrast/status/1438545080193720345?s=20 Plus, the original source from youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PvoqYqK_QY
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BiggerBoat posted:It's depressing. Congratulations on rediscovering the issues of Ethics In Mercury_Storm posted:now that Google is just giving out location data like candy to cops? Or is just disabling Location enough since police would have to request cell tower records from phone companies in that case? This isn't news, and Google does in fact fight back against warrants it considers overly broad (not necessarily out of the goodness of their hearts but still), but it's going to be in conjunction with a warrant and you're not allowed to just tell someone with a warrant to gently caress off outright. Turning off location just prevents logging specific location data, there's still going to be very course collection, and cell towers will still identify your location reasonably well. Yeah, our brave new world sucks but this is how it has worked for at least a decade.
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Yeah long and short: If you don't want to be tracked, leave the phone at home and don't wear a smart watch.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah long and short: If you don't want to be tracked, leave the phone at home and don't wear a smart watch. Also don't drive a car or show your face. And mix up your gait. Work on using your non-dominant hand for things so you can go back and forth. Don't have any tattoos. Actually, no, have tattoos but make sure they're all really common, and do coverups/additions frequently.
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TheScott2K posted:Also don't drive a car or show your face. And mix up your gait. Wear that funny mustache mask you always keep around for parties.
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CommieGIR posted:Wear that funny mustache mask you always keep around for parties. Every once in a while, shave that whole head. While it's shaved, put a bald cap on and get some lumps under it.
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FIRST - develop, produce, and wear the scrambler suits from A Scanner Darkly
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Remember how people make robot costumes out of boxes? Yeah, that, except a refrigerator box that covers your entire body, and maybe just eyeholes and a mouth hole. E: actually... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Jw2QtSYjA Volmarias fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Sep 16, 2021 |
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Simpsons memes are getting in on the Tesla action. https://twitter.com/zuza_real/status/1438579163296841732
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Volmarias posted:Congratulations on rediscovering the issues of Ethics In I know you're right but it's still loving depressing either way. Even the best journalists with the most integrity in the world need to get paid and I understand that. All one has to do is peruse old publications or TV spots to know it. It's just that sponsorship seems to ruin everything and corrupts the message. Tech only seems to be making it worse. Like I said, even at my fairly advanced age, I still feel naive. Even a casual glance at much older "journalism" clearly spells it all out. And it doesn't make any of it less depressing.
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