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wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?
NUMBEERRRRRR

after all this time you’d think I’d be numb but instead I’m merely number

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Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

https://twitter.com/stlouisfed/status/1439235329677004802?s=19

Interesting.

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.
I'm relived that inflation is over and brunch is back on

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

Regarde Aduck posted:

Why do you people keep saying this like its a binary outcome? Its too late to prevent a lot of bad poo poo happening. It isn’t too late to prevent it killing everything. Who the gently caress is telling you ‘it’s too late’? It sure as hell isn’t climate scientists.

Like if you cba to do anything fine, but don’t just lie about it being too late. Being locked in to 2.5 c isn’t an excuse to let it get to 5, then 10 then 20. Christ you people make me mad. We lost the ‘preventative’ phase. We’re now in the main phase of the war but everyones given up because you don’t know the difference between ‘climate change cannot be stopped’ and ‘global extinction of all life’. The fate of our species will be decided in the next 10-20 years. Most likely we’re hosed because the entirety of capital is against us. But there is still a fight to be had. It isn’t too late to prevent the end of everything. It will be soon.

I’m not hopeful, nations appear to be trying to get more planes and boats in the air and sea to make up for covid shortfalls, ideas of a ‘green recovery’ appear to have been memoryholed. This bodes ill. But people need to shut the gently caress up saying its too late everytime someone tries to make things better, even just a little. Just wait a decade.

it's because it is a convenient excuse for doing nothing that still allows you to feel like you're better than the people who are doing nothing because they just don't give a poo poo

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

it's german

Harry Potter on Ice
Nov 4, 2006


IF IM NOT BITCHING ABOUT HOW SHITTY MY LIFE IS, REPORT ME FOR MY ACCOUNT HAS BEEN HIJACKED

Das racist

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Both PNC Bank and Huntington Bank are advertising heavily about their “low cash mode” accounts, where if you overdraw they issue you an expensive payday loan. Seems normal.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

Both PNC Bank and Huntington Bank are advertising heavily about their “low cash mode” accounts, where if you overdraw they issue you an expensive payday loan. Seems normal.

Listen, we're the pigs at the trough of the world economy. We gotta keep consuming by any means necessary.

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
my wife and I still have 3 grandfathered in free checking accounts with PNC that I will never close lmao

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

Koirhor posted:

my wife and I still have 3 grandfathered in free checking accounts with PNC that I will never close lmao

they will “accidentally” close them, apologize, refuse to reopen them but offer coupons for a free burger as compensation

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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Jel Shaker posted:

they will “accidentally” close them, apologize, refuse to reopen them but offer coupons for a free burger as compensation

american banks are respected bodies that will never resort to predatory antics

Also, opening accounts, transferring funds locally, withdrawing/depositing cash and having debit cards are all free of charge here in Singapore

Palladium has issued a correction as of 17:38 on Sep 18, 2021

SchrodingersCat
Aug 23, 2011
Every once in a while I think about the joy of having grand children, and then realize there's a good chance those grandchildren will die horrible deaths before my very eyes while I'm still alive.

I feel bad for my kids.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
I too feel bad for your kids.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1438985941289521156?s=21

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

Rutibex posted:

americans don't actually value the future beyond their own personal lifetime. its doesn't matter how much doom is coming when the people in charge are only concerned for the 10-15 years they have remaining on this earth

The good news is that we're so hosed that 10-15 years without catastrophic destruction is extremely optimistic at this point.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Koirhor posted:

my wife and I still have 3 grandfathered in free checking accounts with PNC that I will never close lmao

PNC stands for Pittsburgh National Company

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica

Mister Bates posted:

it's because it is a convenient excuse for doing nothing that still allows you to feel like you're better than the people who are doing nothing because they just don't give a poo poo

i voted for Biden, and i recycle. no, my city doesn't actually recycle. the market fell out so it's better fiscal policy to bury, or burn, everything.

the only things that can be done to change policy are illegal to discuss.

Raine
Apr 30, 2013

ACCELERATIONIST SUPERDOOMER



Mister Bates posted:

it's because it is a convenient excuse for doing nothing that still allows you to feel like you're better than the people who are doing nothing because they just don't give a poo poo

actually i just think im better than people who say stuff like this, who are smug about "not giving up and actually doing something", and then it turns out all they're actually doing is writing fanfiction online and drinking from coconut straws and voting or whatever

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

PNC stands for Pittsburgh National Company

mmhmm

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Raine posted:

actually i just think im better than people who say stuff like this, who are smug about "not giving up and actually doing something", and then it turns out all they're actually doing is writing fanfiction online and drinking from coconut straws and voting or whatever

my contribution to doing something is my posts

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

Raine posted:

actually i just think im better than people who say stuff like this, who are smug about "not giving up and actually doing something", and then it turns out all they're actually doing is writing fanfiction online and drinking from coconut straws and voting or whatever

same

but also i got a vasectomy and don’t have any kids so I’m already doing more than most of the people scolding me for being a doomer :smug:

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

eSports Chaebol posted:

if by “acceptable” you mean “if we literally cut 100% of non-agricultural fossil fuel use that isn’t for the development of renewable energy right now, the fossil fuel expenditure on RE might be just below our remaining carbon budget to stay below 2.5C increase”. Also it probably won’t be lol

I just think it would be nice if we made any attempt at all really

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

Vox Nihili posted:

I just think it would be nice if we made any attempt at all really

Any serious attempt requires economic degrowth, along with committing to a long-term strategy of managed retreat and incredibly costly mitigation efforts to survive the damage that's already baked in. Any half-hearted attempt requires, at a minimum, intentionally slowing economic growth.

Our civilization does not have the tools to accept these facts, and market-based initiatives (literally the only ones we're willing to consider) are by definition incapable of implementing solutions that don't attempt to generate economic growth.

Serf
May 5, 2011


Regarde Aduck posted:

Why do you people keep saying this like its a binary outcome? Its too late to prevent a lot of bad poo poo happening. It isn’t too late to prevent it killing everything. Who the gently caress is telling you ‘it’s too late’? It sure as hell isn’t climate scientists.

Like if you cba to do anything fine, but don’t just lie about it being too late. Being locked in to 2.5 c isn’t an excuse to let it get to 5, then 10 then 20. Christ you people make me mad. We lost the ‘preventative’ phase. We’re now in the main phase of the war but everyones given up because you don’t know the difference between ‘climate change cannot be stopped’ and ‘global extinction of all life’. The fate of our species will be decided in the next 10-20 years. Most likely we’re hosed because the entirety of capital is against us. But there is still a fight to be had. It isn’t too late to prevent the end of everything. It will be soon.

I’m not hopeful, nations appear to be trying to get more planes and boats in the air and sea to make up for covid shortfalls, ideas of a ‘green recovery’ appear to have been memoryholed. This bodes ill. But people need to shut the gently caress up saying its too late everytime someone tries to make things better, even just a little. Just wait a decade.

watch "first reformed" to see what climate change resistance looks like lol

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
There's been other moments in recent history where a radical restructuring of society has happened, but the way these things happen tend to be under pretty extreme pressure from either economic or political problems (depressions and war), and that's without trying to indulge in any kind of accelerationism. People despair because nothing has really changed fundamentally despite learning what we've been doing to the biosphere over the last 40 years, let alone the economy.

I take some comfort in the fact that anyone who knows what will happen in the future (as opposed to what will likely happen based on current circumstances) are full of poo poo and things can quickly turn on a dime, but at what point that will happen and after how many people are immiserated or killed in the process is not fun stuff to think about.

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1439278703079567360

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe
Climate change apocalypse will not be averted because we’ve built everything around the wealthiest fucks making exponential profits forever. Solving the problem will not only require getting a violently opposed cohort of oligarchs out of the way but also necessitate making changes that would tank the economy and annihilate the fundamental structures we all rely on for basic goods and services. I hate to be a doomer but I really don’t see a path forward outside of some sort of massive collapse that gives people an opportunity to rebuild everything from scratch.

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh

Pittsburgh

Father Wendigo
Sep 28, 2005
This is, sadly, more important to me than bettering myself.


Nice, it's good to hear that the new luxury AF1 Trump commissioned is being built with the highest standards of professionalism.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Beached Whale posted:

When people say "nothing can be done" consider it a shorthand for your own observations that capital simply isn't going to budge when it comes to making the right choice. You also have to remember that this outcome is frankly what a lot of society wants. They want to live in their big suburban houses, use tons of plastic, drive their big cars 100s of miles a week, think of how many people you know in your life who live like this and are literally never going to change anything until it's gone entirely.

Is it not too late if we made extremely drastic cuts to emissions and focused our whole society towards more environmentally friendly energy and materials production? Absolutely not! But do you think that the people who hold the reigns to civilization, who benefit enormously from a captive audience of billions thirsting for their consumerist scraps are going to sacrifice their own wealth and power to do the right thing? I think you and I both know the answer to that question.

Anyways this discussion is probably best had in the climate thread, apologies for the derail my friends in the Number Cult.

This is why it's particularly sad that we refused to use nuclear power to solve this, as nuclear would allow us to continue on with no real changes to standard of living while also totally fixing climate change for at least 100 years.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
pittsburgh is garbage cant believe i am learning so much about this shithole on these forums

Raine
Apr 30, 2013

ACCELERATIONIST SUPERDOOMER



CaptainACAB posted:

This is why it's particularly sad that we refused to use nuclear power to solve this, as nuclear would allow us to continue on with no real changes to standard of living while also totally fixing climate change for at least 100 years.

who is this "we" you're talking about

Beached Whale
Jun 27, 2009

The world as will and idea

Raine posted:

who is this "we" you're talking about

The French, obviously

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

CaptainACAB posted:

This is why it's particularly sad that we refused to use nuclear power to solve this, as nuclear would allow us to continue on with no real changes to standard of living while also totally fixing climate change for at least 100 years.

There was never really a point where this was true but whatever

silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

gradenko_2000 posted:

What can't you replace by either putting a nuclear reactor on the thing, or powering it with an electrical connection from a grid powered by nuclear plants?

to achieve anything in the realm of "reducing oil dependence" you have to start by ending capitalism

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Pittsburg

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Numberg

Pittsber


Number

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

[-]
poo poo Sperg

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Paradoxish posted:

Any serious attempt requires economic degrowth, along with committing to a long-term strategy of managed retreat and incredibly costly mitigation efforts to survive the damage that's already baked in. Any half-hearted attempt requires, at a minimum, intentionally slowing economic growth.

wrong! a serious attempt would involve the evacuation of the Earth to an orbital colony, so that the planet can be a nature preserve.


building the "advanced interplanetary" model we could place 6,100 tons of material into earth orbit per launch. there are approximately 287 million metric tons of human on the earth so this will require 47,049 launches using 37,639,344 hydrogen bombs. we might not have enough uranium-235 on earth to make that many bombs, but i think we could produce enough through the transmutation of thorium? Once in orbit the ships would unfold into O'Neill Cylinders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtYisD7RqWk&t=93s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTDlSORhI-k

BigPaddy
Jun 30, 2008

That night we performed the rite and opened the gate.
Halfway through, I went to fix us both a coke float.
By the time I got back, he'd gone insane.
Plus, he'd left the gate open and there was evil everywhere.


Rutibex posted:

wrong! a serious attempt would involve the evacuation of the Earth to an orbital colony, so that the planet can be a nature preserve.


building the "advanced interplanetary" model we could place 6,100 tons of material into earth orbit per launch. there are approximately 287 million metric tons of human on the earth so this will require 47,049 launches using 37,639,344 hydrogen bombs. we might not have enough uranium-235 on earth to make that many bombs, but i think we could produce enough through the transmutation of thorium? Once in orbit the ships would unfold into O'Neill Cylinders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtYisD7RqWk&t=93s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTDlSORhI-k

Interstellar was an ok movie.

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Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

BigPaddy posted:

Interstellar was an ok movie.

i prefer mobile suit gundam

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