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drat, Chapter 2 just ate up like twelve hours of my life at this point. Extremely good stuff. Have a big of theory on Ralsei specifically, but am still organizing my thoughts on the matter. Also agree that the Genocide route is somehow even more depressing that the one in Undertale because it has this element of personal betrayal baked into it.
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Zamujasa posted:What is it? The text description says PureCrystal - The shadow purified by the cat but I don't recall seeing it anywhere. Combined with the ThornRing, it's one half of the TwistedSwd you can fuse at the bakery that description's doing things for me though
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Sep 19, 2021 08:06
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Pastel Candy Snake posted:Also, I'm assuming "Dess" is Noelle's older sister, December? Was there any more implication as to what happened with those two that I missed, or is it just left super ambiguous for now?
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Sep 19, 2021 08:08
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Lunatic Sledge posted:I'm just spoiling this because you spoiled yours but Mike is also the name of the kid who gets sucked into the TV in Willy Wonka's factory Also the name of a side character in Reboot! Who is a TV, and also spouts commercial phrases non-stop.
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Sep 19, 2021 08:11
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Jen X posted:comparing chapter 2 of a 7 (possibly more???) chapter game in deltarune to a completed game in undertale feels like an unfair comparison I haven't touched my game since I completed it. Six years of a happy universe existing in my cloud save.
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Sep 19, 2021 08:12
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I just finished my chapter 1 replay with jevil this time He's a really fun boss! I fought him for the weapon because i like having an excuse to actually use the damage dealing mechanics in this game. Took like five tries, i think. Speaking if damage, this also made me realize a mechanic the game never (explicitly) points out. Most (all?) normal enemies will become tired when their hp falls below like 30%. In other words, attack power and the fight command aren't useless even if you want to do a full recruit run, and you can even take advantage of susie in the part in chapter 1 where she auto-attacks everything instead of wasting a turn warning every encounter. I actually like this a lot and i wish the game called some attention to it because otherwise most players will just never touch that fight button due to conditioning from undertale, I'm pretty sure
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Sep 19, 2021 08:12
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Amppelix posted:I just finished my chapter 1 replay with jevil this time Oddly enough, this was a mechanic in the undertale demo that was cut for the full release, where hurting an enemy to 30% or so let you spare them. This, of course, lead to an impressively horrible bait-and-switch with the toriel boss fight, where attempting to do that.. did not end well.
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Sep 19, 2021 08:14
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Zamujasa posted:What is it? The text description says PureCrystal - The shadow purified by the cat but I don't recall seeing it anywhere. That basically confirms that it's the reward for beating every Shadow Crystal boss. Which makes sense, since the Twisted Sword is directly connected to the Genocide route by way of requiring the Thorn Ring.
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Sep 19, 2021 08:14
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they actually still talk about you being able to do that in the ruins in the final game lol pretty sure it's exactly only there to get you to kill toriel. i sure fell for it! but yeah nice that the idea got reprised as a proper mechanic
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Sep 19, 2021 08:15
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NewMars posted:Oddly enough, this was a mechanic in the undertale demo that was cut for the full release, where hurting an enemy to 30% or so let you spare them. This, of course, lead to an impressively horrible bait-and-switch with the toriel boss fight, where attempting to do that.. did not end well. im pretty sure thats still in undertale, what was removed was you getting exp for mercying damaged enemies.
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Sep 19, 2021 08:16
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Amppelix posted:I just finished my chapter 1 replay with jevil this time Oh that's actually really neat! Adds another layer to sparing enemies. I kind of noticed the tired aspect in my jackass run, but I forgot about it until you mentioned it. Also wow I really wish I knew that for chapter 1 replays cause yeah that would have sped up certain fights instead of having to slam the warn button on every encounter.
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Sep 19, 2021 08:24
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I'm about 99% sure that they mention the enemies becoming tired if you beat on them a bit at some point in Chapter 1.
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Sep 19, 2021 08:30
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Whitenoise Poster posted:I think the most fascinating, tiny piece of information we learned from this though is That Ralsei very very intentionally sends us away in those specific scenes and is surprised when we don't leave the one time. We, the players controlling the soul, are 100% a third party and Kriss and Ralsei are in cahoots on SOMETHING. And play dumb when we are looking. Like there was always an implication. But a hard confirm feels good. What are the scenes people talk about when they mention astral projection or Ralsei sending us away, that change in the Pipis route? I don't remember that from my playthrough at all. Is there a timestamped video somebody has?
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Sep 19, 2021 08:32
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NotNut posted:What are the scenes people talk about when they mention astral projection or Ralsei sending us away, that change in the Pipis route? I don't remember that from my playthrough at all. Is there a timestamped video somebody has? in the first chapter it was when you're in jail, Ralsei asks you to "imagine what Susie is doing" and then you control Susie instead of Kris. Same thing happens in chapter 2.
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Sep 19, 2021 08:34
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NotNut posted:What are the scenes people talk about when they mention astral projection or Ralsei sending us away, that change in the Pipis route? I don't remember that from my playthrough at all. Is there a timestamped video somebody has? In the normal route, when Susie visits Noelle's room, there's a short period where you're following her instead of Kris. In the genocide route, Ralsei tries to get you to do this, but it doesn't take.
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Sep 19, 2021 08:36
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Cerebral Bore posted:I'm about 99% sure that they mention the enemies becoming tired if you beat on them a bit at some point in Chapter 1. at least if they do it's not obvious
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Sep 19, 2021 08:38
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also can we stop trying to call it "genocide" when that clearly is not what you're doing or what the point of the route is
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Sep 19, 2021 08:39
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Amppelix posted:also can we stop trying to call it "genocide" when that clearly is not what you're doing or what the point of the route is I think for general purpose use it's fine because it doesn't spoil as much as, say "Manipulation Route" would to someone trying to avoid spoilers and seeing it casually thrown about, but I get ya.
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Sep 19, 2021 08:41
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we should call it the Anti-Krist route, clearly
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Sep 19, 2021 08:42
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Pastel Candy Snake posted:Also, I'm assuming "Dess" is Noelle's older sister, December? Was there any more implication as to what happened with those two that I missed, or is it just left super ambiguous for now? Right now it’s just “she’s not around anymore”, but there’s no additional information that suggests she’s somewhere else now, as in she’s moved away from Hometown or is off at university like Asriel is, so the implication appears to be that she’s dead. How and when she died are, of course, still unknown factors. Certain things seem to be pointing to her freezing to death in a blizzard, which makes the way Noelle murders Berdly in the Genocide route even MORE hosed up.
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Sep 19, 2021 08:43
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Maybe Snowgrave?
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Sep 19, 2021 08:45
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nine-gear crow posted:Right now it’s just “she’s not around anymore”, but there’s no additional information that suggests she’s somewhere else now, as in she’s moved away from Hometown or is off at university like Asriel is, so the implication appears to be that she’s dead. How and when she died are, of course, still unknown factors. Certain things seem to be pointing to her freezing to death in a blizzard, which makes the way Noelle murders Berdly in the Genocide route even MORE hosed up. I was thinking something like that and yeah that is /some poo poo/. Would also explain Mayor Holiday's implied "chilly" attitude and her noted obsession with keeping her office freezing cold. Something like keeping herself in that same discomfort to remind her how her daughter died. Big yike.
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Sep 19, 2021 08:46
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For the record, the alternate route appears to be referred to as "sideb" (i.e. Side B) in the code, which is a surprisingly elegant way of describing it
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Sep 19, 2021 08:48
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nine-gear crow posted:Right now it’s just “she’s not around anymore”, but there’s no additional information that suggests she’s somewhere else now, as in she’s moved away from Hometown or is off at university like Asriel is, so the implication appears to be that she’s dead. How and when she died are, of course, still unknown factors. Certain things seem to be pointing to her freezing to death in a blizzard, which makes the way Noelle murders Berdly in the Genocide route even MORE hosed up. where's this implied? I can't remember anything like that in either chapter, only the implication that she died and it was tragic
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Sep 19, 2021 08:48
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Zamujasa posted:For the record, the alternate route appears to be referred to as "sideb" (i.e. Side B) in the code, which is a surprisingly elegant way of describing it Yeah that makes sense. Especially if later chapters have alternate routes that goes in a different direction than chapter 2's B side.
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Sep 19, 2021 08:50
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Your Computer posted:where's this implied? I can't remember anything like that in either chapter, only the implication that she died and it was tragic She is one of the 7 or more kids asgore killed, which coincidentally is the number of dead kids necessary for toriel to divorce someone AND - in this utopian society - the exact number of dead kids that gets a cop fired
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Sep 19, 2021 08:51
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Flesnolk posted:Maybe Snowgrave? I've been going with this, Snowgrave Route is both evocative to those that know what it entails and totally opaque to folks that don't it doesn't really tell you anything unless you already know, but I still spoiler tagged it because I am a coward edit: I also like Side B but I don't know if it'll bring in the Youtube clicks
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Sep 19, 2021 08:51
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Your Computer posted:where's this implied? I can't remember anything like that in either chapter, only the implication that she died and it was tragic It's pretty vague, but Noelle talks a lot about memories of Dess specifically in the winter, and being outside. Her calendar is also filled with nothing but Decembers with the 25th circled, implying that Christmas was an important date to her in some fashion (though December could just be referencing her name). Her ice attacks and their correlation with death are the biggest indicators though. Again, huge leaps of speculation, but the relevance of ice, winter, and her sister's absence seem to go hand-in-hand.
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Your Computer posted:where's this implied? I can't remember anything like that in either chapter, only the implication that she died and it was tragic A bunch of scattered snow and freezing images and allusions scattered throughout the game, and if you go into Sans’s grocery store after completing the chapter, one of the customers talks about how Noelle often comes in and just stares blankly at the frozen food section like she’s in some kind of trance. Like she either goes there as some sort of memorial ritual, or the sight of things freezing or being frozen triggers her into a catatonic state. Like how she completely shuts down and literally walks out of the battle screen after Berdly freezes to death.
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Tunicate posted:She is one of the 7 or more kids asgore killed, which coincidentally is the number of dead kids necessary for toriel to divorce someone AND - in this utopian society - the exact number of dead kids that gets a cop fired okay what
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Also while I'm digging through bullshit I'm sorry to report that it is spr_berdly_desk_sleep, not _desk_dead. 
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Sep 19, 2021 08:55
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nine-gear crow posted:A bunch of scattered snow and freezing images and allusions scattered throughout the game, and if you go into Sans’s grocery store after completing the chapter, one of the customers talks about how Noelle often comes in and just stares blankly at the frozen food section like she’s in some kind of trance. Like she either goes there as some sort of memorial ritual, or the sight of things freezing or being frozen triggers her into a catatonic state. Like how she completely shuts down and literally walks out of the battle screen after Berdly freezes to death. To add to this, the Freeze Ring's description mentions that it's a snowglobe with somebody inside it. Alongside Noelle's strangely worded insistence that she doesn't know SnowGrave, it seems pretty likely.
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Sep 19, 2021 08:57
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Zamujasa posted:Also while I'm digging through bullshit I'm sorry to report that it is spr_berdly_desk_sleep, not _desk_dead. NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO TAKE A [BIG SLEEP]
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Zamujasa posted:Also while I'm digging through bullshit I'm sorry to report that it is spr_berdly_desk_sleep, not _desk_dead. The same sprite is used for when Noelle and Berdly are found asleep after the end of the Pacifist route as well, so that’s not indicative of anything.
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Zamujasa posted:Also while I'm digging through bullshit I'm sorry to report that it is spr_berdly_desk_sleep, not _desk_dead. now tell them about the 1997 character sprite
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Sep 19, 2021 09:00
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It might just be the mild fever i have but Kris possibly being literally found in a trash can as a baby by the Dreemur family is especially heartwrenching 
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Huh, just found out about the snowgrave route. Toby Fox isn't messing around, is he? Seriously though, I love how this is exactly like something you would read in a creepypasta. It's the kind of thing someone would make up to create a scary story about a cute game, except it's real.
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Zamujasa posted:Also while I'm digging through bullshit I'm sorry to report that it is spr_berdly_desk_sleep, not _desk_dead. What is death if not a really long sleep? Socrates said that, or something.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Huh, just found out about the snowgrave route. Toby Fox isn't messing around, is he? for real I love that it checks so many boxes - IT'S A BIT MUCH - involves an item not mentioned anywhere else in the game - involves an item alluded to but otherwise unacquirable, and what it actually does also sounds a bit much - very precise series of steps, some of which may seem obtuse - hardest fight in the game? well it turns out there's an even HARDERER fight very strong Triforce/Running Man/Light Temple/Weird poo poo in Hyrule Castle Town/"removed content" rumor vibes
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i will say, the snow imagery and christmas circled on the calendar and all that is kinda on the nose for a family of red-nosed reindeer (noelle's father literally being named rudolph) isn't it? it's very clearly a gag, but of course it wouldn't be the first time toby fox does a gag that is also something depressing
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