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I think just this page probably has more inspection and analysis of the federation than went into the entire planning process of Picard and disco so far combined I may be wrong but it all seems slapdash not an attempt to make some high minded statement about empires Lmfao what a snipe. Ok last page then. poo poo, it still might be true.
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The Bloop posted:I think just this page probably has more inspection and analysis of the federation than went into the entire planning process of Picard and disco so far combined I don't disagree, almost everything I could use in support of my post is drawn from DS9, Enterprise, TNG, etc. Picard and Disco suffer precisely because they are so vacuous. Killer robot posted:Being the British Space Empire is more humane when you can just scan the spices and artifacts for replicators and holodecks. Or to put it another way, Space Manifest Destiny is more humane when you can put up frontier outposts on genuinely empty lands rather than territory you recently depopulated through war and disease. This is something I really wanted modern Trek to explore. Its refusal to do so inevitably reminds me of the real-life progressive left's failure to articulate a coherent and hopeful vision of the future and work towards it rather than relying purely on doomscrolling to motivate and engage donors/voters. Kesper North fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Sep 20, 2021 |
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this circles back around to the core issue: it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism. we see that in the writers room. they do not know how to envision this society, and are forcing problems that do not fit onto it because many of them are caused by capital. you point this out yourself on the previous page, with the US entering the forever war they are only supposed to threaten because it was a politically convenient way of transferring wealth through pork barrel spending. the middle eastern plunder writ large was just icing on the cake
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Paper Lion posted:this circles back around to the core issue: it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism. we see that in the writers room. they do not know how to envision this society, and are forcing problems that do not fit onto it because many of them are caused by capital. you point this out yourself on the previous page, with the US entering the forever war they are only supposed to threaten because it was a politically convenient way of transferring wealth through pork barrel spending. the middle eastern plunder writ large was just icing on the cake
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Sep 21, 2021 00:43
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I remember someone in one of the other threads saying they sympathized with Eddington's remarks about the Federation being a Borg-like entity that encroaches on the identity if not the sovereignty of its neighbors, and when I pressed them for "what would a successful interstellar civilization that didn't do that look like?" they admitted they couldn't give me an answer.
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Epicurius posted:Gelrakians aside, both Vulcans and Andorians fight duels to the death too, and they're founding Federation members, and both the Federation and some of its member worlds have or have had the death penalty in the past. Ultimately, I think it's that the Federation doesn't really interfere with the internal politics or culture of its members, so long as they grant their citizens certain civil and personal rights. Worf explicitly slid on beaming over to a Klingon ship and killing Duras because he did so off-duty, so it was legally an internal Klingon cultural matter and not a Starfleet officer murdering a Klingon fleet officer. And even then Picard came very close to dropping the hammer on Worf if it'd been anyone but the walking piece of poo poo known as Duras.
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Sep 21, 2021 05:21
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The Klingons are Federation allies, but not members, right? It’s possible that the Gelrackians were establishing contact and an alliance with the Federation, rather than being full members.
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Sep 21, 2021 06:28
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SlothfulCobra posted:Also the hard-fought restrictions on Cardassian militarization in the border region might not actually have been honored on the Cardassian side. That's the neat twist hinted at the end of the TNG Cardassian episode. Quoting this for the mislinked youtube video about using soap wrong.
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Sep 21, 2021 07:55
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Problematic Soup posted:The Klingons are Federation allies, but not members, right? Right. TNG's first two seasons allude to them as members, and the early TNG writers' bible says they joined the Federation, but they retconned that to just being allies in the third season.
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Sep 21, 2021 07:57
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Quoting this for the mislinked youtube video about using soap wrong. It is a good video though.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:If you have a starship with the energy available to warp space for superliminal travel, then rendering a planet uninhabitable is trivial. Especially if you have tractor beams. just start warp near planet surface and do a round the world trip
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Sep 21, 2021 11:12
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Tiggum posted:It is a good video though. True that. The guy's series on the evolution of the design of hurricane lamps was a great watch.
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Sep 21, 2021 11:18
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Tiggum posted:It is a good video though. What I learned will maybe be of use to me someday if I live somewhere with a dishwasher again. Currently on a basically no-soap (or maybe a little of whatever mysterious blue dish soap nobody bought) regiment of hand-washing dishes with burning hot water.
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People on the reddits are now arguing if a background young black actress in TNG is Mariner. They can’t decide whether the person suggesting it and those agreeing are saying it only because they’re both black, or because the show is a bombardment of references and visual gags and Mike McMahan would do that. I honestly don’t know.
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Sep 21, 2021 18:17
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Do they have to pay writers every time they reference some episode or is that not really a thing? Or are they going to hide behind parody fair use of their own properties?
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Sep 21, 2021 21:15
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The Bloop posted:Do they have to pay writers every time they reference some episode or is that not really a thing? Or are they going to hide behind parody fair use of their own properties? I think it was brought up earlier that this is the apocryphal reason Tom Paris was created as a new character, but IIRC it was debunked?
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This has been pretty well debunked. The actual reason is that Locarno was eventually decided to be irredeemable. They wanted a character who’s had a rough past, not someone who was responsible for covering up the deaths of his classmates.
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Sep 21, 2021 21:39
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But Paris’s backstory still involved him falsifying records that covered up his pilot error and the deaths he caused in a shuttle accident. It’s literally the exact same event, just slightly reworded.
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Looking it up, it seems like it was Locarno’s actions and portrayal in the TNG episode that was what cemented him as irredeemable. Paris’s were offscreen and never brought up outside of the pilot (heh) so there’s more space for the character to be fleshed out.
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Sep 21, 2021 21:50
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Like much of Voyager it's pretty clear they got quite far down an original plan of probably casting McNeill first and saying "well he can play that character he already played who was a pilot" and then at some point the problems with that plan were realised and they went for the lowest effort sticking plaster imaginable.
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Sep 21, 2021 22:08
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that is extremely Voyager if true, yes
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Sep 21, 2021 22:11
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it could have been an issue if it was a spec script character or something but staff writer contributions are a lot easier to defend as being something belonging to the show that they can own and reuse as they wish. i would assume staff contracts had clauses about work produced belonging to the studio. i wish more fat people were in star trek
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Sep 21, 2021 22:26
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Paper Lion posted:it could have been an issue if it was a spec script character or something but staff writer contributions are a lot easier to defend as being something belonging to the show that they can own and reuse as they wish. i would assume staff contracts had clauses about work produced belonging to the studio. Same. Happy to see that the Tamarians seem to run consistently chubby, at least.
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Paper Lion posted:it could have been an issue if it was a spec script character or something but staff writer contributions are a lot easier to defend as being something belonging to the show that they can own and reuse as they wish. i would assume staff contracts had clauses about work produced belonging to the studio. With staff writers, yes, that's considered work for hire and they don't retain any ownership. Jeri Taylor decided that Locarno had gone too far down a dark path (understandable, considering he conspired to cover up the death of a classmate) and was considered irredeemable as a character, but the producers really liked Robert Duncan McNeill as an actor so just gave Paris a similar backstory.
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Just realised they missed a shared-universe trick by not having Paris talk about his 20th century ancestor who was a master magician, then showing a picture of Leonard Nimoy. Nimoy played The Great Paris in sister Desilu/Paramount show Mission: Impossible right after TOS ended
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Payndz posted:Just realised they missed a shared-universe trick by not having Paris talk about his 20th century ancestor who was a master magician, then showing a picture of Leonard Nimoy. Roddenberry and Geller hated each other, that would have been amazing.
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Sep 21, 2021 23:08
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paramount plus is such poo poo, doesn't even remember where you were in an episode you started but didn't finish. trash
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Khanstant posted:paramount plus is such poo poo, doesn't even remember where you were in an episode you started but didn't finish. trash It really is a garbage app
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Sep 21, 2021 23:46
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Hilarious that Voyager producers go "Lacarno is irredeemable" while DS9 producers are pulling out their hair because fans love their ersatz Lizard Hitler.
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Sep 21, 2021 23:57
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The Greatest Gen guys love to poo poo on the Paramount Plus app. And before that, the CBS AA app. Which I agree wholeheartedly with.
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My favorite part about Paramount+ is that because I skipped the credits on season 1, episode 6 of Lower Decks it means that whenever I go to the Lower Decks page it starts autoplaying episode 6, and I have to manually turn that off, switch to season 2, and then click on the latest episode. Then after I'm done watching it then it starts autoplaying season 2, episode 4 of Discovery.
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Brawnfire posted:It really is a garbage app Are there any stream apps apart from Netflix that are good. CBS/Paramount sucks, Hulu sucks, Amazon is awful
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Amazon is god-awful, yeah. Let's separate the seasons! Uh I guess Disney+ works alright but it's slow as balls for me
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Sep 22, 2021 03:00
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skasion posted:Are there any stream apps apart from Netflix that are good. CBS/Paramount sucks, Hulu sucks, Amazon is awful The actual streaming part of Netflix is okay but the library browsing is still god-awful.
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Sep 22, 2021 03:12
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God-awful is the word of the day!
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Netflix is the only one I would call acceptable and as mentioned, it's a huge pain to find anything. With all of these services, if it's not a recently added thing or a new show, forget finding it
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skasion posted:Are there any stream apps apart from Netflix that are good. CBS/Paramount sucks, Hulu sucks, Amazon is awful Netflix works fine when you're using its dedicated app on a smart TV. Using it with a mouse in a browser on a real computer is an exercise in UI frustration.
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skasion posted:Are there any stream apps apart from Netflix that are good. CBS/Paramount sucks, Hulu sucks, Amazon is awful At least Amazon seperates into seasons and knows where you left off and will play in order. Unlike Disney that assumes nothing and makes you navigate loads of screens to get to what you were watching.
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This is why I subscribe to all the services and still  everything. I just wish Plex had a more robust playstation app
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