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Yinlock posted:Poor shadow person though, a huge amount of cards are just them getting owned super hard It's what they deserve for killing all those people in Case Closed
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Yinlock posted:Kind of important to note that the brotherhood's bodies were explicitly stated to be total crap. It's not like they gained super-strength or anything, the only real advantages they had were being tougher and immune to physical fatigue. There's also the electricity and junk.  Electrified chainsword too, plus the strength to use something like that. I wouldn't put them at super killbot level, but still mildly superhuman. Doobeedoo fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Sep 23, 2021 |
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Doobeedoo posted:There's also the electricity and junk. Superhuman by our standards, mind. This is still a world where you can ditch your body for any number of vague reasons and get a shiny new (obviously not human and of vaguely defined upper limits) bod, and there's likely stuff out there on par with or even exceeding something like this. Honestly, I'd say they were fools to do this. Sure, you don't have to eat, you don't get tired and you don't feel pain (at least in these crapshack hackjobs) but you apparently need brain fluid and you definitely need repairs, and those probably well exceed what you'd spend on food. Materant fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Sep 23, 2021 |
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Sep 23, 2021 06:53
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Materant posted:Superhuman by our standards, mind. This is still a world where you can ditch your body for any number of vague reasons and get a shiny new (obviously not human and of vaguely defined upper limits) bod, and there's likely stuff out there on par with or even exceeding something like this. Absolutely, 100%. By the standards of the City, these bodies, while dangerous in our sense, are low-quality and near the bottom of the totem pole.
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Why are some Abnormality Pages green and some red? Is that relevant for anything?
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Sep 23, 2021 07:55
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Junpei posted:Why are some Abnormality Pages green and some red? Is that relevant for anything? Green pages are emotionally positive, red pages are emotionally negative, what coins you get changes which pages can show up (more positive coins more chance at green pages, more negative coins more chance at red pages). It's not super relevant right now but it's a thing you can kind of later use to your benefit to aim for Abnormality Pages.
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Sep 23, 2021 08:03
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Junpei posted:Why are some Abnormality Pages green and some red? Is that relevant for anything? Yes. Look back at the explanation of emotions - you get positive emotion coins for good things and negative for bad things, basically, and while the total number of coins decides when emotion levels go up, the relative quantity of them determines which abnormality pages you are more likely to get offered. Green for positive coins, red for negative coins. Red pages have drawbacks. At least, in theory - they don't always follow through on that premise.
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Qrr posted:Yes. Look back at the explanation of emotions - you get positive emotion coins for good things and negative for bad things, basically, and while the total number of coins decides when emotion levels go up, the relative quantity of them determines which abnormality pages you are more likely to get offered. Green for positive coins, red for negative coins. Red pages have drawbacks. At least, in theory - they don't always follow through on that premise. The inner workings of the system are a bit more complicated than this—and I'll go into it more when we have more Abnormality pages to go through—but yes this is basically how it works. For the record, they're called Awakening and Breakdown pages, respectively. 
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Sep 23, 2021 08:42
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TeeQueue posted:The inner workings of the system are a bit more complicated than this Hmm... I wonder how emotion coins influence Abnormality pages selection. I bet, it is simple weighted choice. Let's check. ... ...holy mother of god...
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The other notable thing about green vs red: green pages are all upside, red pages are often stronger but have a downside.
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Sep 23, 2021 10:31
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Yeah, red pages either do some bad things themselves, or alternatively, they activate when a 'bad' thing happens.
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The game isn't very consistent about the difference.Shogeton posted:Yeah, red pages either do some bad things themselves, or alternatively, they activate when a 'bad' thing happens. Malkuth just got an awakening page that does nothing until you're hit.
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Acerbatus posted:The game isn't very consistent about the difference. Ok, let me see if I can clarify this a bit.  Ashes allows people who attack that librarian to eat burn damage in a thorn like effect, triggering even when one-sided. Yes, it does require the Librarian to get hit, but the Burn after effect can be a bigger return damage for injuring the Librarian involved. It also gives a chance that Librarian will throw even more burn damage down on top of the beating they give. Ashes kind of encourages you to put it on a Librarian who can easily intercept attacks. Even if he fails the clashes, he will still be doing HP damage in the long run. Right now, statuses aren't really that threatening right now, but each one will have a point where they SHINE.
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Xenav posted:Ok, let me see if I can clarify this a bit. I think you're misunderstanding the current conversation. We're currently talking about red vs green abnormality pages, and what the difference between them is. We need to see more pages, but overall green pages don't have drawbacks while red pages vary. Qrr fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Sep 24, 2021 |
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Sep 24, 2021 00:18
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Qrr posted:We need to see more pages, but overall green pages don't have drawbacks while red pages vary. I'd argue that even some green pages come with drawbacks, but I'll get to that when the page in question comes up.
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Sep 24, 2021 00:23
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FANSean posted:I was always under the impression becoming a fixer at all just came down to signing up for it and passing a basic competency test, so Grade 9 ranges from new hires to tenured fixers who are stuck without the necessary augments to do any better, and Grade 8 is for those who start getting cheaper augments or are talented enough to just barely get by to a higher grade. I'm wondering now what the actual limit is for a completely natural Fixer.
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PetraCore posted:I think it also depends on ambition. If Roland is Grade 9 now but used to be higher and got disgraced, there are clearly ways to move down that don't necessarily involve a loss of skill. Conversely, if someone really likes the lower grade jobs or is fine with just coasting, I could see them having an artificially deflated grade because they just don't bother to test for a higher rank. This is something I've been thinking about because of Wonderlab, because Tai having a fully functioning E.G.O. they're extremely in sync with should definitely put them at a raw power level higher than the grade 8-9 chumps we've seen so far, but they're also new to being a Fixer and has their own agenda that interferes with long, involved jobs. But even with things we've only seen in Ruina, it seems like relying too hard on someone's grade to predict their aptitude might backfire if it means you get complacent. I will completely admit that "Perfectly fine as a Grade 8 or 9" never even occurred to me as a possibility even though I've seen people in real life content to stay at what are considered low end jobs for their lives.
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FANSean posted:I will completely admit that "Perfectly fine as a Grade 8 or 9" never even occurred to me as a possibility even though I've seen people in real life content to stay at what are considered low end jobs for their lives.
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PetraCore posted:I think it also depends on ambition. If Roland is Grade 9 now but used to be higher and got disgraced, there are clearly ways to move down that don't necessarily involve a loss of skill. Conversely, if someone really likes the lower grade jobs or is fine with just coasting, I could see them having an artificially deflated grade because they just don't bother to test for a higher rank. This is something I've been thinking about because of Wonderlab, because Tai having a fully functioning E.G.O. they're extremely in sync with should definitely put them at a raw power level higher than the grade 8-9 chumps we've seen so far, but they're also new to being a Fixer and has their own agenda that interferes with long, involved jobs. But even with things we've only seen in Ruina, it seems like relying too hard on someone's grade to predict their aptitude might backfire if it means you get complacent. From what I can remember, given how much mentioning someone's Grade immediately changes characters' attitudes... it seems to be less [videogame Power Level scale based on quantitative ability scores] and more [arbitrary number denoting one's social rank within a culture based on rigidly-hierarchical relationships that require those with 'superior' status be treated with excessive respect/deference]
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PetraCore posted:Hey, if you've got steady work and the money to do the low-cost things you want to, it could be a lot safer cruising at a low Grade than advancing to the point you might be in over your head. But then, if you were in that position you wouldn't pick up an invitation from the Library, would you? One problem I see with that is low Grade fixers tend to belong to offices or syndicates rather than working solo (besides Finn...  ), which means that you might be obligated to go to the Library in their stead if you're lucky. You can strike out on your own, but I think that'd put a massive target on your back for things like Rats or Sweepers that can ambush and swarm an otherwise stronger solo fighter. I think even if you survive those you'd end up attracting a lot of attention, so I'm not sure if intentionally slacking would keep you that safe from the Library or other threats.
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dervival posted:One problem I see with that is low Grade fixers tend to belong to offices or syndicates rather than working solo (besides Finn... Finn was a member of Yun’s Office, and Yun actively chose to send him to the Library without backup. At least, that’s how I remember it. Not in a good position to double-check.
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dervival posted:You can strike out on your own, but I think that'd put a massive target on your back for things like Rats or Sweepers that can ambush and swarm an otherwise stronger solo fighter. Admittedly I think if you get taken by the Sweepers you made some bad choices that lead to you being on the streets at night.
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dervival posted:One problem I see with that is low Grade fixers tend to belong to offices or syndicates rather than working solo (besides Finn... Not saying it'd be easy to pull off, and nothing seems to ensure safety in the City, just that a competent slacker Fixer in the vein of Zaida would be funny.
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PetraCore posted:I think it also depends on ambition. If Roland is Grade 9 now but used to be higher and got disgraced, there are clearly ways to move down that don't necessarily involve a loss of skill. Conversely, if someone really likes the lower grade jobs or is fine with just coasting, I could see them having an artificially deflated grade because they just don't bother to test for a higher rank. This is something I've been thinking about because of Wonderlab, because Tai having a fully functioning E.G.O. they're extremely in sync with should definitely put them at a raw power level higher than the grade 8-9 chumps we've seen so far, but they're also new to being a Fixer and has their own agenda that interferes with long, involved jobs. But even with things we've only seen in Ruina, it seems like relying too hard on someone's grade to predict their aptitude might backfire if it means you get complacent. Taii always struck me as an amusing booby-trap in that respect. It's apparent her actual grade is low, and I'm wondering how many people tried to mess with her due to that and.... I'll say that being unambitious would naturally lead to you being weaker. You get less money, so you get less upgrades and such. The Wonderlab example is such an anomaly that I don't see it really happening often.
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Grade is not always a matter of power. Those guys from the Hook Office were all Grade 9 (iirc) and they could wipe the floor with Grade 8 fixers like Eri or Yun. But they've only been employed as Fixers for a very short time so they haven't had time to advance up the ranks.
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ZeroCount posted:Grade is not always a matter of power. Those guys from the Hook Office were all Grade 9 (iirc) and they could wipe the floor with Grade 8 fixers like Eri or Yun. But they've only been employed as Fixers for a very short time so they haven't had time to advance up the ranks. Yup. The guy with the higher-rarity Key Page was Grade 8 instead, but you're completely right other than that. I'd guess the tendency to rampage and kill more than they have to would be another reason they're ranked more lowly?
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Doobeedoo posted:Yup. The guy with the higher-rarity Key Page was Grade 8 instead, but you're completely right other than that. No, no. More murder is a selling point not a negative.
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MinutePirateBug posted:No, no. More murder is a selling point not a negative. Not if you keep killing twenty extra people for free. You gotta think about your margins and your money per kill.
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Night10194 posted:Not if you keep killing twenty extra people for free. The trick is to keep your services overpriced enough so, even if you throw in 20 more murders, you will still come out in the green. Then you will get people lining up, hoping to catch your "slaughter special", thinking, that they would get a good deal. MiiNiPaa fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Sep 24, 2021 |
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Keldulas posted:Taii always struck me as an amusing booby-trap in that respect. It's apparent her actual grade is low, and I'm wondering how many people tried to mess with her due to that and....
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MiiNiPaa posted:The trick is to keep your services overpriced enough so, even if you throw in 20 more murders, you will still come out in the green. Then you will get people lining up, hoping to catch your "slaughter special", thinking, that they would get a good deal. Capitalism, ho! MetaMeme posted:It's what they deserve for killing all those people in Case Closed Pretty big body count in Dangan Ronpa, too, though he did try to go for a different palette then, at least. I don’t get why you would rebrand when you’re still a merciless, psychotic murderer, but hey, everyone deserves to feel good about their image, right?
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Mecha_Face posted:I don’t get why you would rebrand when you’re still a merciless, psychotic murderer, but hey, everyone deserves to feel good about their image, right? Being suspiciously grey and naked is a surprisingly popular augment it seems, a 2 for 1 on durability and anonymity! 
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If you don't like any of the Abnormality pages that come up, can you skip, or pass, or do you have to put one on when the Emotion level rises?
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Junpei posted:If you don't like any of the Abnormality pages that come up, can you skip, or pass, or do you have to put one on when the Emotion level rises? Rogue AI Goddess posted:The latter. this is Very Funny when you're using, for example, Malkuth's floor and the only Abnormality you have for her is Scorched Girl. Depending on your emotions, you WILL be assigned the page that turns librarians into suicide bombers whether you like it or not.
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That seems perfectly in line with what we know about Abnormalities from LobCorp, and I'm all for it because I'm never actually going to play through this game and get enraged by this.
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ZeroCount posted:this is Very Funny when you're using, for example, Malkuth's floor and the only Abnormality you have for her is Scorched Girl. Depending on your emotions, you WILL be assigned the page that turns librarians into suicide bombers whether you like it or not. Just kill them before they kill you dingus
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ZeroCount posted:this is Very Funny when you're using, for example, Malkuth's floor and the only Abnormality you have for her is Scorched Girl. Depending on your emotions, you WILL be assigned the page that turns librarians into suicide bombers whether you like it or not. Isn't that a Tier II card? I thought we couldn't use those with only one abnormality beaten.
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