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Was fuckin' around trying to edit my name in the save files, and I ended up watching the prophecy again. Noticed something I'd forgotten: The Three HEROES are only supposed to appear after the terrible calamity has killed the EARTH. What does that mean? gently caress if I know, but fun to wonder about. Valcione fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Sep 28, 2021 |
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Clearly they only show up once they're shining with hope as well, and perhaps they aren't just yet. 
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Katsuma posted:Was fuckin' around trying to edit my name in the save files, and I ended up watching the prophecy again. Noticed something I'd forgotten: I just read it as 'when poo poo is hitting the fan they'll show up prepared' Currently in the preparing stage of things
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Sep 28, 2021 12:25
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Tenebrais posted:Honestly, it's possible that the reason no one comments that Ralsei looks like Asriel is because he doesn't. Sure, he's a goat monster, and would fit in with the Dreemurr family, but that doesn't mean all fluffy goat boys look alike. Plot twist: Asriel in Deltarune isn't even a monster. He could be Kris's biological older brother and the both of them were adopted. Then maybe Ralsei's appearance isn't supposed to be for Kris's benefit, but the player's because that's the Asriel a fan would be expecting.
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https://twitter.com/tobyfox/status/1442842123233947653
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Sep 28, 2021 14:32
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Toby reached escape velocity from his previous release. Didn't he post something about Undertale locking him into being the 'undertale guy' and as great as that is it's also a curse? Glad he is reaching heavenly heights of freedom and being a real Big Shot.
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Someday he’ll be Toby Fox the Nudealert/Nutdealer guy.
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Krismas is extremely funny and cute. I don't care if it's just a nickname or the real full version of their name. I input "Kristian" as the name for my vessel when Chapter 1 released and until like the epilogue section when you talk to Rudy I just thought the game had taken the first four letters and used that as the name
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CandyCrazy posted:My prediction is that the main story will only vaguely touch upon Gaster as an important character in the backstory (probably as the one who put certain pieces into play) - similar to how Undertale would have treated him if the Fun stuff wasn't RNG - but collecting all the dark crystals by fighting the secret bosses will let you truly dig into his lore and involvement in the story. yeah pretty much. he mainly seems to function as a narrator-type figure for cut/hidden content and the survey. it's not like Chara/the "Fallen Human" who wasn't explicitly mentioned in Undertale for most of the game, but whose existence was hinted at a lot in the story itself, to the point where a lot of players probably figured something was up with the identity of the player character by the time the last route rolled around. having him pop up as an "actual" character would be very silly at this point.
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Sep 28, 2021 15:03
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people keyed in on the Mysteryman figure as a visual representation of Gaster because you’ve gotta make fanart of something, but it’s way more appropriate for him to exist as implication and noise. the dude existentially exploded himself after all
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Gaster should look like an old skeleton, which is also a plausible way to read the mystery man sprite, but I agree that he’s better as an insinuation than a character with whom you could conventionally interact.
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Oxxidation posted:people keyed in on the Mysteryman figure as a visual representation of Gaster because you’ve gotta make fanart of something, but it’s way more appropriate for him to exist as implication and noise. the dude existentially exploded himself after all Well, sure, there's random speculation, but also when he disappears, the sound effect is the first bar of gaster's theme sped up. Toby loving loves his leitmotifs.
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Oxxidation posted:people keyed in on the Mysteryman figure as a visual representation of Gaster because you’ve gotta make fanart of something, but it’s way more appropriate for him to exist as implication and noise. the dude existentially exploded himself after all also on a more practical note when you have a backstory figure who exists mostly as noise, mystery and theorizing i think toby seems literate enough on how fandom theorizing works to know that there's basically no way to portray him conventionally which wouldn't be a disappointment, since virtually all of his appeal consists of the fact that he's mysterious also i think a lot of the content involving him is barely even accessible on console releases, it would just be dumb
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Cyberventurer posted:Plot twist: Asriel in Deltarune isn't even a monster. He could be Kris's biological older brother and the both of them were adopted. Then maybe Ralsei's appearance isn't supposed to be for Kris's benefit, but the player's because that's the Asriel a fan would be expecting. if Asriel were human then I don’t think Kris’s angst would be remotely as severe as it is now. they literally can’t stand to look at pictures of humans, which probably wouldn’t be the case if their idolized big brother was one
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Sep 28, 2021 15:24
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Is the face that's hawking toothbrushes on a pop-up ad from the pop up enemy spamton? There's no Pikachu cheeks or sunglasses, but the similarity is otherwise quite strong.
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Sep 28, 2021 15:24
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All the “fun” content has a chance of randomly showing up on the Switch version, and I think the console (and maybe even PC?) versions were patched to do the same. Fun zones work the same as Deltarune’s egg rooms now, AFAIK.
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Oxxidation posted:if Asriel were human then I don’t think Kris’s angst would be remotely as severe as it is now. they literally can’t stand to look at pictures of humans, which probably wouldn’t be the case if their idolized big brother was one We don't actually know that he idolizes him. See: refusing to look at the room queen prepared for him. He's got some kind of anxiety about Asriel. An anxiety we don't understand yet.
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i actually like gaster's existence as a dumping ground for some of the sillier strains of fandom theorycrafting, but like, mysteries in the game of "why did Asgore leave the force and did that have to do with Dess/his divorce", or the "off-camera" relationship between Kris themselves and Ralsei is seem a hell of a lot more like, actually relevant to the story Deltarune is trying to tellOxxidation posted:if Asriel were human then I don’t think Kris’s angst would be remotely as severe as it is now. they literally can’t stand to look at pictures of humans, which probably wouldn’t be the case if their idolized big brother was one Toriel had that line about them getting a costume set of horns. they really don't like being human, do they? (cue chara theorycrafting)
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ikanreed posted:We don't actually know that he idolizes him. See: refusing to look at the room queen prepared for him. He's got some kind of anxiety about Asriel. An anxiety we don't understand yet. their anxiety is perfectly understandable - Asriel is the town paragon and Kris is both emotionally dependent on him and broken up about their fundamental differences (ie human and monster). there’s enough weird mysteries in this game so that we don’t need to go looking for swerves where none exist Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Sep 28, 2021 |
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Sep 28, 2021 15:30
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:All the “fun” content has a chance of randomly showing up on the Switch version, and I think the console (and maybe even PC?) versions were patched to do the same. Fun zones work the same as Deltarune’s egg rooms now, AFAIK. right and like, if the egg rooms turned out to be plot critical i think that would be silly
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ikanreed posted:We don't actually know that he idolizes him. See: refusing to look at the room queen prepared for him. He's got some kind of anxiety about Asriel. An anxiety we don't understand yet. we know they used to hang out all the time and we know kris used to sit up late talking with asriel online for hours, so i think it's safe to say that their relationship is a good one
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Feels Villeneuve posted:i actually like gaster's existence as a dumping ground for some of the sillier strains of fandom theorycrafting, but like, mysteries in the game of "why did Asgore leave the force and did that have to do with Dess/his divorce", or the "off-camera" relationship between Kris themselves and Ralsei is seem a hell of a lot more like, actually relevant to the story Deltarune is trying to tell It's certainly convient when I'm browsing around looking for any cute scenes or easter eggs I'd missed to know I can safely ignore anything that mentions Gaster or has a picture of that one figure. It's a magnet for people who like making spurious connections and baseless theories.
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I thought the reason Kris didn't want to look into Asriels' room was because they didn't want to see what a room made up of the search results of Asriel "loves immodest dragon ladies" Dreemur would look like.
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Sep 28, 2021 15:36
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Yeah let's be real if you loved your brother would you want to look at his search history? Especially at someone else's behest?
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like there’s not a single hint given that Kris and Asriel’s relationship was based on anything other than mutual adoration (and Yoshi torture). we can even dismiss the possibility of some horrible blowup between the two of them just before Asriel left home, because Kris has been Googling the date of his return
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On day 5 Kris is going to climb the nearby mountain looking for dark world clues and fall into a hole only to discover a lost city of humans living underground, having been driven there after a war with the monsters
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Kris feels guilty about borrowing his drawer change, and that's during one of the segments where all the flavor text is really terse and darker in tone (one thing I definitely think is that the darker tone there isn't Evil Foreshadowing- it's because Kris is not a happy person) Pulsarcat posted:I thought the reason Kris didn't want to look into Asriels' room was because they didn't want to see what a room made up of the search results of Asriel "loves immodest dragon ladies" Dreemur would look like. well that makes Suzie's reaction more interesting Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Sep 28, 2021 |
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Feels Villeneuve posted:right and like, if the egg rooms turned out to be plot critical i think that would be silly Here's the thing. Anything "critical" is absolutely just going to be main content in deltarune, but another game in the series can nibble around the edges of deltarune's plot with interesting and relevant tidbits as much as it wants. We don't need to connect the sound effect playing in the background of the red doors area to the Undertale Easter eggs to know it's mysterious and probably relevant somehow. It stands on its own I'd be far more miffed if Toby gave us totally ambiguous clues to a mystery then never answered it. That's way more hacky writing to me than having some not strictly necessary connections between a story and it's sequel.
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Also worth noting that we can make Kris look at the Asriel room, but we can’t make Kris look at the Asriel room. They obviously have some agency.Feels Villeneuve posted:right and like, if the egg rooms turned out to be plot critical i think that would be silly Well yeah if you were gonna miss plot critical details, that’d be hella dumb, but I think it’s fine to hint at things that may come up. For example, I quite like Susie, who is first mentioned in a fun zone.
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I am 70% sure collecting all the easter eggs will open the secret path to Temmieland.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Also worth noting that we can make Kris look at the Asriel room, but we can’t make Kris look at the Asriel room. They obviously have some agency. right like his existence basically as someone who lives outside the game text makes him ideal for stuff like dropping sequel hint easter eggs, or random cut content lore, etc. it almost precludes him actually showing up in the story. it'd be like if Rod Serling suddenly became a key character in the Twilight Zone or some poo poo.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Also worth noting that we can make Kris look at the Asriel room, but we can’t make Kris look at the Asriel room. They obviously have some agency. A ton of dialogue in chapter 2 seems specifically to hint at Kris being given just a little creative freedom in how to interpret our commands. Which my mental retread of chapter 1 doesn't have any of. When you give him the option to say "no" about feeling okay after spamton, he screams it, because he was actually given a chance to express his feelings. Or when you give an "incorrect" answer about who he wants to go to the festival with, he tries to make it sound insincere.
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Someone else mentioned how strange and different from the rest of it the dark world looks when you first enter in chapter 1, specifically that the eyes on the walls are the same as the eyes on the titans (also the save points look like their eyes)  I wonder if this is relevant at all? maybe something to do with the time loop theory a few people have brought up? There's darkness leaking and spilling out of holes in the wall too
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ikanreed posted:A ton of dialogue in chapter 2 seems specifically to hint at Kris being given just a little creative freedom in how to interpret our commands. Which my mental retread of chapter 1 doesn't have any of. Another one is where you're choosing who to give the gift to, if you give it to Noelle Kris plays it off as demanding a refund rather than actually sincerely giving her a gift. Kris is definitely up for putting their own spin on your commands. The way this has increased since the first chapter makes me wonder if Kris is going to seize their own agency more and more as the game goes on. I do suspect that the "banishing the Angel's Heaven" in the prophecy essentially amounts to ending the game and your ability to influence anyone in the world.
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also this is less theory and more wishlisting but I hope Berdley comes back in some capacity. there's actually one thing that kind of makes me think he will- he seems to have some wind-based attacks making him something of the wind magic guy compared to Dess being Ice, Ralsei being white/healing, and Suzie being uh, rude magic/battlemage or whatever. also he's a silly guy who does a good job of towing the line between being a jerk and being relatable, and i think the game could use a small core cast of the Ch2 guys with maybe a couple of additions.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Someone else mentioned how strange and different from the rest of it the dark world looks when you first enter in chapter 1, specifically that the eyes on the walls are the same as the eyes on the titans (also the save points look like their eyes) The only relevant thing I can think of about it is that that area is part of ralsei's supply closet and not lancer's unused classroom. I don't know why that would matter.
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ikanreed posted:The only relevant thing I can think of about it is that that area is part of ralsei's supply closet and not lancer's unused classroom. I don't know why that would matter. Ralsei's fountain is described as more original and pure. I figure that area is meant to be the dark world's pure, primordial state when there's no other concept imposed on it.
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yeah my take is that those cliffs are what the dark world looks like when there’s no fountain to coalesce around which raises the dual unsettling questions of a) why the world’s basic state is so sinister and b) what the hell is up with ralsei’s territory. the other dark worlds were formed from light world detritus around the fountain’s origin, but ralsei’s kingdom isn’t based on anything but ralsei
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NewMars posted:Also, if the entrance to his kingdom is located in the supply closet, where the hell is the chalk? susie destroyed/depopulated the original dark world by eating all the chalk
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