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I knew permafrost melt was theorized to release methane deposits but I didn't know they would come in the form of giant explosions https://twitter.com/motherboard/status/1443051176371658753?s=20
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Sep 29, 2021 06:54
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strange feelings re Daisy posted:I knew permafrost melt was theorized to release methane deposits but I didn't know they would come in the form of giant explosions Does the explosion mean the methane gets converted to CO2? That would be good news!
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Sep 29, 2021 06:56
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Lordshmee posted:you know I think about this thread an awful lot. if things really are as bad as predicted, then I know sitting on this 401k is a joke. I mean, I’ve always known it’s a coin flip whether or not it’s a “correction” year when you near retirement anyway, and that’s without the end of the loving world driving number down. Just dont worry about "timing" it or "the top" - you'll go insane.
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Sep 29, 2021 07:06
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the planet is simply undergoing puberty, please do not draw attention to temporary unsightly blemishes
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Sep 29, 2021 07:08
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Funky See Funky Do posted:They're not going to shut down cspam. They might shut this thread down because someone decided to poke a hornets nest while the all the hornets were pissed off about a different hornets nest, I'm sorry I've lost the thread of the hornets nest metaphor I was going for here, but I think that instead they'll just remind people that it's a stupid idea to joke about carrying out bombings or assassinations and ban the people that do it. yeah jeffery is in charge now. we'd never have another "lf" type situation on our hands under his expert and deeply wise leadership
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Sep 29, 2021 07:45
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strange feelings re Daisy posted:I knew permafrost melt was theorized to release methane deposits but I didn't know they would come in the form of giant explosions lol loving badass
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Sep 29, 2021 07:47
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It's been kind of unnerving noticing people's offhand comments about supply chain problems. "I work in x and we can't get any y for another z months! Oh well." I guess those little disruptions gradually get more common, and last for longer, and begin to affect one another, and...
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Sep 29, 2021 09:22
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Tree Bucket posted:It's been kind of unnerving noticing people's offhand comments about supply chain problems. "I work in x and we can't get any y for another z months! Oh well." and then everything is fine
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Sep 29, 2021 09:35
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I saw this post on StackExchange and immediately thought of this thread. The post isn't actually climate related, but there's just no way that literally the exact same thing isn't happening to every single techno-economic analysis paper about green energy, direct air capture, CCS, etc... Most of the replies are telling him to get the gently caress out of the situation, but some of them are more realistic and basically say "well yeah you pretty much have to do that if you're a scientist whose work gets consumed by politicians, that's just how it is". lol. lmao. SCIENCE! https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/175962/my-research-supervisor-is-asking-me-to-fake-results-what-do-i-do quote:My research supervisor wanted to produce a cost-benefit analysis for an infrastructure project (civil engineering). First he had someone else work on it, then he involved me. When I got involved, I noticed that the benefits were inflated and the costs downplayed to convince the reader of a massive benefit-cost ratio. I do not know if he stands to personally gain from this but it sure feels like it. I discussed it with him a few times, he pushed back with "I am old and experienced and I know I am right", and eventually in the final revision of the paper he changed my numbers. The way he changed the numbers is not even smart, he just changed the text, he didn't redo the calculations. Now I fear that if I bend under pressure, these bad numbers will be out there, forever! I am sure he will take the published paper and send it to every politician in the country trying to get this project approved. What can I do? I am still his PhD student so I can't get too confrontational. e: right now I'm working on a personal software project and i'm reading lots of scientific papers to do it and it is absolutely incredible how many of them are just loving garbage, how the algorithms that the authors present are completely unreproducible or only work on the specific toy models presented in the paper and fall apart immediately if used on real world cases (and mind you these papers usually have titles like *a robust algorithm for blah blah*). that is kind of what inspired my stupid post about a citizen science project the other day (also drinking inspired it, i now see that it was a very dumb idea lol) but i mean god drat i bet that if you put any of the technoeconomic analysis papers out there that promise a better world where we don't have to stop consuming under any kind of scrutiny they would fall apart like a house of cards. IAMKOREA has issued a correction as of 11:23 on Sep 29, 2021 |
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Sep 29, 2021 11:18
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Hubbert posted:I find that people "newer" to collapse sort of just ... give up. They no longer save for the future, or try to aspire for anything, with the knowledge they carry about the future. Yeah really. I'm a fan of of the videos going around and will joke about the bleak climate apocalypse along with anyone else. I personally think we will be able to kick the can down the road for a shockingly long time so I'm trying for a spot in the domes. I don't think any poor person could just "save" for a spot but you could probably get lucky if you predict enough large events in the crumbling economy that our society will demand to have as long as possible and chain some sick ultra combos on desperate and pointless lab grown foods, clean energy investments and hail mary passes we are going to start throwing the more concerned we get. The upside on things like this is extremely huge because there is a giant amount of psychology making people deny they could ever possibly happen. Am I part of the problem? Sure but I think we've established it doesn't matter anymore. Rectal Death Adept has issued a correction as of 13:41 on Sep 29, 2021 |
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Sep 29, 2021 13:36
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I'm going to shoot the president of DOME-TEC before it gets off the ground and destroy all of your hopes
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Sep 29, 2021 14:01
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Maybe stop talking about shooting people
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Sep 29, 2021 14:07
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the only gun i want to hear about right now is the clathrate gun
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Sep 29, 2021 14:08
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https://twitter.com/gjrt888/status/1442079337193226248
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Sep 29, 2021 14:11
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Lol fine I'll run the imaginary person over with my bike instead, as if it matters. The domes aren't coming to save us.
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Sep 29, 2021 14:17
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sci-fi action flick where the big action set piece is a siege on a dome. the libs will love it because they think they'll be the ones inside the dome, defending from the wasteland marauders.
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Sep 29, 2021 14:24
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The first dome will probably be a failed experiment, I'm waiting for the iDome 3 or 4 at least. iDome 1 will cut your water rations and oxygen content when iDome 2 comes out.
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Sep 29, 2021 14:32
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The American West is dryer than it has ever been, more populated than it has ever been, and La Nina is coming
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Sep 29, 2021 14:42
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‘Green growth’ doesn’t exist – less of everything is the only way to avert catastrophequote:It is simply not possible to carry on at the current level of economic activity without destroying the environment quote:There is a box labelled “climate”, in which politicians discuss the climate crisis. There is a box named “biodiversity”, in which they discuss the biodiversity crisis. There are other boxes, such as pollution, deforestation, overfishing and soil loss, gathering dust in our planet’s lost property department. But they all contain aspects of one crisis that we have divided up to make it comprehensible. The categories the human brain creates to make sense of its surroundings are not, as Immanuel Kant observed, the “thing-in-itself”. They describe artefacts of our perceptions rather than the world. quote:What would we see if we broke down our conceptual barriers? We would see a full-spectrum assault on the living world. Scarcely anywhere is now safe from this sustained assault. A recent scientific paper estimates that only 3% of the Earth’s land surface should now be considered “ecologically intact”. quote:We have no hope of emerging from this full-spectrum crisis unless we dramatically reduce economic activity. Wealth must be distributed – a constrained world cannot afford the rich – but it must also be reduced. Sustaining our life-support systems means doing less of almost everything. But this notion – that should be central to a new, environmental ethics – is secular blasphemy. The messaging is finally catching on, going wide, and I suspect the coming state change will be swift and catch a lot of the BAU deniers with their asses hanging out unprepared.
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Sep 29, 2021 15:05
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So you're saying I should quit my job? Today even? Right in the middle of this meeting maybe????
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Sep 29, 2021 15:14
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the fact that I have to work during the apocalypse is kind of hosed up
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Sep 29, 2021 15:17
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i wonder how big the first dome bombing(s) will be
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Sep 29, 2021 15:23
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Car Hater posted:Lol fine I'll run the imaginary person over with my bike instead, as if it matters. The domes aren't coming to save us. if you think about it, the biosphere is the first dome, the die from which all subsequent domes are cast, and it's failing us dome will not bring you salvation, dome brings nothing but content and death
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Sep 29, 2021 15:25
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Rime posted:‘Green growth’ doesn’t exist – less of everything is the only way to avert catastrophe My one tiny ray of hope comes from the fact that the messaging has been advancing rapidly over the last 2-3 years. It's probably too late anyway and we're all hosed, but it's like a switch flipped and suddenly the evidence of total catastrophe became too overwhelming for the optimists to keep pace. The specific thing I'm noticing more and more is that the "actually, everything will be fine!" articles are becoming a lot more reactive. The optimistic headlines used to be the default, and then there'd be an occasional op-ed counterpoint proclaiming doom. Now the headlines are getting doomier and doomier and, outside of financial news anyway, a lot of the optimism is limited to response articles going "wait wait wait no"
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Sep 29, 2021 15:33
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A finished dome will withstand whatever the wastelanders can muster. The only chance is to destroy the dome before it is complete. Many antifa supersoldiers died to bring us this information.
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Sep 29, 2021 15:36
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Chrono Trigger was a documentary
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Sep 29, 2021 15:40
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Rectal Death Adept posted:The first dome will probably be a failed experiment, I'm waiting for the iDome 3 or 4 at least. Dont be rediculous, they'll slowly change the CO2/oxygen ratio patch by patch until your head is simply to slow to not upgrade to iDome 5s(s for small).
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Sep 29, 2021 15:44
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Koirhor posted:the fact that I have to work during the apocalypse is kind of hosed up
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Sep 29, 2021 15:51
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Paradoxish posted:My one tiny ray of hope comes from the fact that the messaging has been advancing rapidly over the last 2-3 years. It's probably too late anyway and we're all hosed, but it's like a switch flipped and suddenly the evidence of total catastrophe became too overwhelming for the optimists to keep pace. It's been a really, really rapid shift. I can't tell if it's because the pandemic pulled back the curtain on the fragility of our civilization and made the conversation easier, or because the end is extremely and very obviously nigh compared to just three or four years ago, or both. Either way, feels wierd to keep seeing opinions which I was repeatedly chain-probated over to try and silence - receive major news publication and pulled out from the fringes.  E: A stance I've seen completely vanish recently is the old "well what if we changed everything about our lifestyles and it turns out it wasn't necessary???" . Granted, it's largely been supplanted by You can pry my lifestyle from my cold dead hands" but even that is an admission that poo poo is hosed directly because of us. Rime has issued a correction as of 16:12 on Sep 29, 2021 |
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Sep 29, 2021 16:09
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Rime posted:It's been a really, really rapid shift. I'd be more hopeful about what this could mean if I didn't know for a certainty that we would waste the next 5-10 years doing stupid bullshit like carbon capture plants instead of anything meaningful.
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Sep 29, 2021 16:16
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lmao you're still gonna be going to work while you're rationing your potable water. treasure these "the engine is on fire but the flames are only starting to spread to the passenger compartment" years
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Sep 29, 2021 16:18
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Rime posted:It's been a really, really rapid shift. I can't tell if it's because the pandemic pulled back the curtain on the fragility of our civilization and made the conversation easier, or because the end is extremely and very obviously nigh compared to just three or four years ago, or both. i think it's largely due to the pandemic, the latest ipcc report, and recent extreme weather events personally, the pandemic gave me more time to pay attention to how hosed we are AND see how poorly we can handle a relatively easy global level collective action problem that involves economic pullback i mean i didn't have much optimism before but the last two years have completely annihilated what little i had
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Sep 29, 2021 16:21
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the earth will shart itself to death
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Sep 29, 2021 16:24
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Cold on a Cob posted:i think it's largely due to the pandemic, the latest ipcc report, and recent extreme weather events the pandemic also made it abundantly clear how fast stuff bounces back if people would just loving stop driving lol
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Sep 29, 2021 16:27
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Also, not that people in here have to be MORE angry, but this is just another example of end-stage  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfQJiGJO5Bo We've gone from "A Diamond is Forever" to "Only Simps Buy Lab-Made."
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Sep 29, 2021 17:13
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BIG HEADLINE posted:It won't be decades. The current global trends towards hyper-nationalism will see to that. You don't think the hyper-nationalism turned hyper-fascism will do every horrible thing possible in its power to prolong some semblance of the lifestyle the imperial core has afforded them thus far? This is not a callout directed at you or any individual in the thread, but I wanted to comment on a more pervasive phenomenon I've noticed picking up steam recently, concurrent with the accelerating extreme weather events and general breakdown. I'm still workshopping it but for now call it 'sudden collapse optimism', the bizarrely comforting idea that the forces that have both perpetrated and denied the ecological cataclysm will suddenly be subject to the very forces they have unleashed. It's a much harder pill to swallow that they'll do everything they can to keep the party going a little bit longer (insert whatever atrocities your imagination can summon) and their political base of support will swell and grow as they continue to, quite successfully, project blame on outsiders and The Other. Most of the posters ITT have reached some level of acceptance about the ecological predicament as it stands, and a sudden collapse of The State in the face of that is an odd, and I would argue, idealistic offshoot of that awareness. The idea that the brutalism of capital will expand exponentially in the face of this crisis and is likely outlast all of us is another step down the crack-ping steps to hell that is hard to accept. We will live to see manmade horrors beyond our comprehension.
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Sep 29, 2021 17:17
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They also already have their domes. Cheyenne Mountain. Raven Rock. Chiashan. And thousands of others scattered throughout the world, designed to keep the notion of the state and it's right to dominate you alive forever. You think they didn't think of you pooping in the vents when your grandparents were still in nappies? Only Da Bomb can save us now
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Sep 29, 2021 17:25
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The Protagonist posted:You don't think the hyper-nationalism turned hyper-fascism will do every horrible thing possible in its power to prolong some semblance of the lifestyle the imperial core has afforded them thus far? No, I think when the hyper-nationalist, hyper-fascist powers start to quarrel with each other over what's left is when you're going to start seeing the canned sunshine being cracked open. I keep bringing up the ending of "Three Days of the Condor" in my head, when Redford's character finally gets his "friend" to cop to being one of the bad guys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZNnDiDSUiI&t=165s "They won't want us to ask 'em. They'll just want us to get it for them."
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Sep 29, 2021 17:27
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anyone who's worked a logistics job knows that capitalism optimizes through skeletonization, there is zero resilience or wiggle room to it. everything has been like three tractor-trailers from collapse for over 20 years.
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Sep 29, 2021 17:27
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Wakko posted:lmao you're still gonna be going to work while you're rationing your potable water. treasure these "the engine is on fire but the flames are only starting to spread to the passenger compartment" years The moment they run out of productive work for us to do they'll find holes and ditches for us to dig. The last thing they want are a lot of scared, angry people with excess energy and a lot of time on their hands.
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Sep 29, 2021 17:28
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