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Eastbound Spider posted:i hope the new battlefield is fun same, it looks fun so far so I'm excited to playit
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Charles 1998 posted:Sniper fire puts pressure on enemies since they usually can't engage back, and have change their method of attack. They can also engage at unique angles at longer ranges that makes it more difficult for infantry to seek refuge. Sniper harassment can get to a point where an entire squad or vehicle will redirect their efforts to engage lone sniper, while the rest of the snipers team can engage the objectives. Sir, this is a battlefield thread. The times I've seen a sniper be able to put that sort of pressure on a team or have my team be harassed to the point of needing a group of players to take out the sniper I can count on one hand with fingers to spare in the now 19 years I've been playing this series. Even if the team could be harassed to a point of annoyance where a vehicle is used, it's literally seconds of time investment from a plane or helicopter pilot to eliminate the sniper. Not enough of a difference for the sniper's team to act on. gently caress SNEEP posted:Recon gadgets: useful. give them to other classes 
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Oct 1, 2021 20:56
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Recon gadgets: useful. give them to other classes Sniper rifles: bad, unfun to play against, promotes being far away from objectives
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Oct 1, 2021 21:06
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Fallom posted:Is it really an argument if everybody agrees and then somebody rolls in to try gaslighting them into thinking that the hill campers are useful Is it an argument if someone uses meme terms that have nothing to do with the discussion?
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Oct 1, 2021 21:13
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Sorry to interrupt but lmao meme terms
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Oct 1, 2021 21:16
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The best recon weapon is the shotgun
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Charles 1998 posted:Is it an argument if someone uses meme terms that have nothing to do with the discussion? Wait are you saying that Gaslighting is a meme term?
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Fried Watermelon posted:The best recon weapon is the shotgun that's right
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Oct 1, 2021 21:27
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Charles 1998 posted:And you can stand in capture points without dying 20 times and getting 0 kills. I'd rather someone go 0-20 while pushing with the team and trying to capture points rather than go 3-20 and sniping off in the distance.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I'd rather someone go 0-20 while pushing with the team and trying to capture points rather than go 3-20 and sniping off in the distance. Why?
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Oct 1, 2021 21:36
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He would probably have more points.
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Oct 1, 2021 21:38
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Charles 1998 posted:Why? The guy capping points affected the ticket count of the game more than 3 kills the guy sniping from far off did
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Oct 1, 2021 21:44
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Target Practice posted:Wait are you saying that Gaslighting is a meme term? It was certainly used poorly in this context and overused in general. It's meant to cause someone to question their sanity, it doesn't just mean a take someone disagrees with. I wish people would stop using it so casually.
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Oct 1, 2021 21:48
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jisforjosh posted:The guy capping points affected the ticket count of the game more than 3 kills the guy sniping from far off did How do you know this?
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Oct 1, 2021 21:51
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The wookiee sniper is useless and contributes nothing to the team 99% of the time. A guy rushing points with a knife is more likely to help the team than the wook, who probably has less than like 0.10 kpm.
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Oct 1, 2021 22:01
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Charles 1998 posted:How do you know this? Because it’s obvious?
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Oct 1, 2021 22:03
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RCarr posted:Because it’s obvious? Not really. If you subtracted that player from the game, how do you know it would result in more points scored for your team than if you subtracted the sniper? And we're returning back to the same issue, where you're obsessed with minmaxing your win/loss ratio in a casual game, at the expense of other people's enjoyment.
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Oct 1, 2021 22:07
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Bring back the Commander so he or she can drop cruise missiles on Roof Wookies and put an end to their bullshit.
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Oct 1, 2021 22:09
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Charles 1998 posted:How do you know this? Given that tickets aren't deducted till a player respawns and a sniper going 3 and 20 likely isn't good at getting follow up shots or maintaining focus on medics, the player he killed has a good chance of being revived. On ontop of that, the player pushing the objective to help capture and going 0 and 20 is doing a net benefit that offsets the sniper due to the ticket bleed from captured flags if his team gets a majority. (since they both have 20 deaths/respawns, they cancel their individual ticket count drains out)
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Oct 1, 2021 22:15
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jisforjosh posted:Given that tickets aren't deducted till a player respawns and a sniper going 3 and 20 likely isn't good at getting follow up shots or maintaining focus on medics, the player he killed has a good chance of being revived. Now I feel less terrible about my k/d ratio. I inevitably play Engineer to try to take out pesky vehicles or support to provide covering fire. My TTD is usually pretty bad!
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Oct 1, 2021 22:19
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Charles 1998 posted:Why? So how many BF1 Artillery Truck kills do you have?
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Oct 1, 2021 22:20
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jisforjosh posted:Given that tickets aren't deducted till a player respawns and a sniper going 3 and 20 likely isn't good at getting follow up shots or maintaining focus on medics, the player he killed has a good chance of being revived. So the sniper is playing 70% as efficient as the player. Are you a team captain picking out players for your kickball team now?
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Oct 1, 2021 22:21
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Ynglaur posted:Now I feel less terrible about my k/d ratio. I inevitably play Engineer to try to take out pesky vehicles or support to provide covering fire. My TTD is usually pretty bad! I will never KDR shame someone pushing the objective. If nothing else, your soaking up bullets keeps my kill streaks alive longer. You're a valuable teammate.
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Oct 1, 2021 22:25
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I'm going to get reported so much  Charles 1998 posted:And you can stand in capture points without dying 20 times and getting 0 kills. No, I can't. It's unimaginable to not accidentally get five kills on my way from point A to point B. It sounds like a level of tunnel vision (and self control?) that I couldn't muster, ever. You'd need to have bad glaucoma, disable the UI, and maybe not touch anything but the movement keys. Is there not a temptation to take tags off every prone dumbass you pass? Is there no pavlovian compulsion to throw a grenade into a choke point? Mine the enemy spawn? Even during a flank is there not the desire to gravitate towards the gunfire? Anyhow, every time a team hits 1/3 snipers, they are guaranteed to lose -- like clockwork. This is not true for any other class.
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Raskolnikov2089 posted:I will never KDR shame someone pushing the objective. If nothing else, your soaking up bullets keeps my kill streaks alive longer. You're a valuable teammate. Absolutely. Any well-played support role is a huge addition. My buddy plays BF with one goal: to get his body in capture points. He dies doing it like a motherfucker. Probably has a KD around .20. But by god, the man chalks up Ws.
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Oct 1, 2021 22:33
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This is a good thread. Can’t wait to pick my own team for Hazard Zone.
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Oct 1, 2021 22:42
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DICE is going to set bot logic to "camp uselessly on a hill" to give it that, "playing with a full team of real players" feel.
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Oct 1, 2021 22:45
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Every sniper is stupid until I’m the one sniping, then I am an asset to the team.
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i played a lot of 2142 with my dad who ran a popular knife-only server way back when hope the game lives up to some of the hype, i guess we'll see next week
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Sgt. Cosgrove posted:Every sniper is stupid until I’m the one sniping, then I am an asset to the team. Agreed, but only when I'm running iron sights
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Oct 1, 2021 23:02
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Stop complaining about snipers, it's really not that big of deal and neither is winning or losing, none of this matters. All that matters is METRO 24/7 NO EXPLOSIVES FAST UNLOCK XP+++++
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Charles 1998 posted:Not really. If you subtracted that player from the game, how do you know it would result in more points scored for your team than if you subtracted the sniper? Because even being on capture point for a few seconds once every few minutes will outscore most snipers. That’s without shooting anyone, or providing any type of support (healing, resupply, spotting, etc). It’s just black and white, flat out, 100% a fact that a sniper who sits on a cliff somewhere the whole game, is less useful than anyone else playing the objectives. I’m confident I could easily outscore a bush wookie without firing my gun once.
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I like the way Hell Let Loose does it, where your score is divided into four separate categories: Combat - score for killing or destroying enemy infantry, vehicles, structures etc Offense and Defense - capturing or defending objectives Support - aiding your team by healing, providing ammo, or building things then at the end of the round your score is added with your squad members basically K/D is rendered meaningless and not shown at all. only you can view your own K/D through a private statistics page
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I remember the days of yore when CTs would literally camp their own CT spawn and the Ts would invade it on de_maps. you have to give players a compelling reason to care about the objectives otherwise way more people are gonna just do dumb poo poo
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Symetrique posted:I mean thats basically what the gameplay sabotage report function that worked up half the thread and started this sniper bickering would be for. You're soooo close to getting it.
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Skyarb posted:You're soooo close to getting it. I mean, your halo analogy of purposefully greifing by taking the literal objective item isn't quite the same as some lone wolf idiot staying away from the point. You can still win with wookies in the hills, you cant if someone on your own team is literally keeping the flag away from you. They're morons, sure, but they might not be malicious trolls. A better example is someone constantly taking a vehicle and purposefully giving it to the other team - something i've actually seen happen when there has been a streamer on one team. BF is still a sandbox game. The competitive ranked modes have consistently failed. It sucks but there will always be people not playing the objective, either because they want to go for 1000m headshots, go for gimmick gadget kills, or because they want to see how high they can launch a tank with c4, or attempt a rendezook.
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I feel like there are a few places (the start of Sinai on Operations, particularly for the defenders) where sitting with my periscope on some high and hidden spot and non-stop 3d spotting (particularly if I managed to flank the enemy) was more useful than anything else I could have done.
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afkmacro posted:Stop complaining about snipers, it's really not that big of deal and neither is winning or losing, none of this matters. All that matters is METRO 24/7 NO EXPLOSIVES FAST UNLOCK XP+++++ No Noshahr Canals TDM 24/7 no deal 
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Raine posted:I like the way Hell Let Loose does it, where your score is divided into four separate categories: The HLL system would also highlight when people never help cap points.
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Just hide K/D completely and only display scoreRaine posted:I like the way Hell Let Loose does it, where your score is divided into four separate categories:
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