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Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!
*shrug*


Idk, I absorbed both threads long long ago and I know full well that I am in fact a coward for not martyring myself. They're not wrong there, they just want to be able to smugly point and laugh at the sad monk committing self-immolation, and don't believe that the flames will reach them.

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IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

Xaris posted:

to start and let people add-on:

Arctic Death Spiral: https://www.scientistswarning.org/2021/06/15/arctic-death-spiral/
Last thick sea ice breaking: https://www.severe-weather.eu/cryosphere/thick-sea-ice-arctic-breaks-stratospheric-warmings-rrc/
Bumblebees gone already from a lot of america: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/american-bumblebee-has-vanished-from-eight-us-states-180978817/
75% of insects are dead: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/25/the-insect-apocalypse-our-world-will-grind-to-a-halt-without-them https://www.pnas.org/content/118/2/e2023989118
we're dumping radioactive fracking fluid into rivers and roads for funsies: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/oil-gas-fracking-radioactive-investigation-937389/
meat is over 2/3rds of all ag emissions: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/13/meat-greenhouses-gases-food-production-study
"clean" energy is a lot of lol https://scarp.ubc.ca/sites/scarp.ubc.ca/files/energies-14-04508%20%283%29.pdf
the planet is dying faster than we thought: https://www.livescience.com/ghastly-future-global-crises.html

plastics are strangling the life out of the oceans and plants and killing off humans. and we aren't going to stop: https://www.euronews.com/green/2021/10/01/babies-are-full-of-microplastics-new-research-shows https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/47521/20210920/european-lakes-alarming-concentrations-microplastic-pollution-previously-thought.htm https://www.technologynetworks.com/applied-sciences/news/growth-of-microscopic-marine-animals-hindered-by-microplastics-352098 https://www.pnas.org/content/118/31/e2104610118 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/02/microplastic-pollution-devastating-soil-species-study-finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/22/microplastic-pollution-in-oceans-vastly-underestimated-study

methane lol

sizeble portion of the west coast burnt down and massive parts of australia burnt down recently:

lol we're gunna run out of water where all the food is grown:


Quoting for later

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

Car Hater posted:

*shrug*


Idk, I absorbed both threads long long ago and I know full well that I am in fact a coward for not martyring myself. They're not wrong there, they just want to be able to smugly point and laugh at the sad monk committing self-immolation, and don't believe that the flames will reach them.

I strongly disagree. dnd posters are by their very nature insanely wrong, all the time, about everything. Also they are dumb and smell like butts.

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Car Hater posted:

*shrug*


Idk, I absorbed both threads long long ago and I know full well that I am in fact a coward for not martyring myself. They're not wrong there, they just want to be able to smugly point and laugh at the sad monk committing self-immolation, and don't believe that the flames will reach them.

i don't think anyone actually expects something like that

The bad thread just uses it as a way to shout down anyone too anxious by accusing them of not being serious.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

actionjackson posted:

today in minneapolis the high was 80 degrees and we are <50% peak colors lmao (typically the peak season should end oct 15)

it was so nice this morning though

jetz0r posted:

it's gonna be like 70f most of dec. except for one week of -20f with 13ft of snow in a weekend. then 120f with flash flooding the first week of jan.

yeah it’s going to be great

Bathtub Cheese
Jun 15, 2008

I lust for Chinese world conquest. The truth does not matter before the supremacy of Dear Leader Xi.

LionArcher posted:

Holy poo poo did I get a BS prob for posting in the other thread. Three days because I wanted to clarify that I wasn't suggesting violence, because I dared to suggest in the future some people may try to guillotine the rich when things get bad. I was in a bad mood and posted over there, thought better of it and was going to edit my post, and was already probed. I am never going back to that thread again. On top of which, then multiple posters broke clear rules in the thread "dunking" on me, and got no probes, including one that vaguely suggested if I think it's this bad I'm a coward for "not doing something about it". A few posters kept it real, but drat that thread.

Liberalism sure does come off like thriving, vibrant, and totally legitimate ideology in proportion to its need to be cocooned in a discussion space wherein all opinions expressed are meticulously curated through the exercise of capricious authority.

Raine
Apr 30, 2013

ACCELERATIONIST SUPERDOOMER



Car Hater posted:

*shrug*


Idk, I absorbed both threads long long ago and I know full well that I am in fact a coward for not martyring myself. They're not wrong there, they just want to be able to smugly point and laugh at the sad monk committing self-immolation, and don't believe that the flames will reach them.

you know ive been giving the whole "if it's that bad aren't you morally obligated to do such and such" some thought and reached some of my own conclusions:

1. nah

2. it wouldn't matter if i did anyways (even jesus christ himself made the world worse)

3. the people asking this question deserve to live through this

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
\

Rime has issued a correction as of 23:37 on Sep 7, 2022

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica

Trabisnikof posted:

there isnt really going to be what you're looking for because no one really knows.

we know poo poo is hosed up hella bad.

but we dont know exactly whats going to happen or how bad it will be. the chance of all of the bad possible outcomes are far higher than they've ever been or ever should be.



and anything less than complete transformation of society won't even get us close to preparing for what is coming.

are you talking about predicting the exact future or something?

the recent ipcc report made it clear how bad things are getting much faster than a lot of pie in sky optimists had it, meanwhile said report is based on a lot of optimistic assumptions

which means that the rates of change of the rates of change could be off

meanwhile the best and brightest climateers in geopolitics are planning on maybe agreeing to possibly consider making changes that could affect the rate of change of the rate of change in the next decade or two


aaaaand a lot of people don't believe in anthropogenic climate change ooooor see it as a blessing that heralds the return of their* doomsday cult messiah


*i welcome death in all forms but see it as selfish to influence public policy to bring my envisioning of death to the masses


e: beaten like my endocrine system, should refresh the page sometime

lol, llama

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

has neoliberalism fixed climate change yet?

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

my bony fealty posted:

has neoliberalism fixed climate change yet?

the ruling class have means tested solutions aimed at part of the upper parts of the peasant class's consumer goods in the planning committee stage to begin taking concrete action in 14 years and have stated intentions to begin making large scale changes on general public facing sectors in 29 or so

it should be noted that the previously unenforced means tested solutions and international agreements have been total failures, but the ruling class have assured everyone that they really mean it this time

Torpor
Oct 20, 2008

.. and now for my next trick, I'll pretend to be a political commentator...

HONK HONK
fertilizer factories shutting down all over the world because of high natural gas prices? I don't understand, just increase the price of the fertilizer? Are they waiting for inventory to draw down?


edit: whoops

Torpor has issued a correction as of 03:55 on Oct 19, 2021

Reverend Zero
Mar 8, 2006

my bony fealty posted:

has neoliberalism fixed climate change yet?

fixed? its going to print trillions of dollars as it is.

if it aint broke, don't fix it.

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

my bony fealty posted:

has neoliberalism fixed climate change yet?

Yeah California says they’re banning gas cars. In 2035.

Owned

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry
the biden bill also gives billions for techies to buy subsidizied tax rebates on Teslas and for road widening for more teslas

climate is fixed

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Samuel Glompers posted:

Does anyone have a simple resource for illustrating how hosed we are?

Drought in the Canadian Prairies has hit the barley crop, which is going to impact beer brewing. We're hosed, everyone panic.

Local onion crop has been good though. I was going to simplify my life by adopting the ancient Sumerian commoner's diet of onions, beer, and wild rear end. Unfortunately this barley shortage is going to screw that up.

Also a lack of wild rear end.

blatman
May 10, 2009

14 inc dont mez


can u make onion beer

A Terrible Person
Jan 8, 2012

The Dance of Friendship

Fun Shoe

my bony fealty posted:

has neoliberalism fixed climate change yet?

Rectal Death Adept posted:

The oceans are at a tipping point but have you considered

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1449150745354412035

Homocow
Apr 24, 2007

Extremely bad poster!
DO NOT QUOTE!


Pillbug

Lost Time
Sep 28, 2012

All necessities, provided. All anxieties, tranquilized. All boredom, amused.

my bony fealty posted:

has neoliberalism fixed climate change yet?

You betcha!

https://twitter.com/dwallacewells/status/1450282052910211074

He clearly did not want to be outdone by his old boss.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

So um....yeah

quote:

Yet this trend has reversed in recent months because natural gas prices have spiked, making coal more competitive.

The EIA report said coal power generation is rising this year because of "significantly higher natural gas prices and relatively stable coal prices." The delivered cost of natural gas to US power plants has averaged $4.93 per million British thermal units this year, more than double 2020's price, the EIA said.

This comes after US power plants have retired nearly one-third of their generating capacity at coal plants since 2010.
The EIA said the rise of coal generation in the United States "will most likely not continue." The report forecasts a 5% decline in US coal-fired generation in 2022 due to the retirement of coal-fired units and slightly lower natural gas prices.

Where does US get it's natural gas? I thought it was mainly a byproduct of fracking? So if fracking isn't profitable, it isn't, wouldn't the price of natural gas keep rising? Or is there some other source that will keep the price stable?

Also aren't some coal plants being recommissioned?

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

part of the trick is, just because fracing as an industry is net negative, doesnt mean every specific producer is. that's why casinos work after all.

coke
Jul 12, 2009

silicone thrills posted:

re: the PH thing - believe it has something to do with when most of the mollusks start dying and their deaths start putting out massive amounts of CO2? I can try to find it in the book

The PNW is already experiencing things being too acidic and its eating away oyster shells here.


anyway I went on a walk and saw a cool owl



lol wtf

https://vimeo.com/54408927

:rip: us all i guess

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

Lost Time posted:

You betcha!

https://twitter.com/dwallacewells/status/1450282052910211074

He clearly did not want to be outdone by his old boss.

As an enemy to all life I support Biden's energy initiatives. :cthulhu:

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Trabisnikof posted:

part of the trick is, just because fracing as an industry is net negative, doesnt mean every specific producer is. that's why casinos work after all.

fracing is an industry shill shibboleth. who do you work for?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

"30-40 years."

Yeah, I'm sure we can beat that estimate by a decade or so. :smith:

Annnnnnd I just noticed the video's nine years old. =/

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

i would imagine that if you went on tv and said that most of southern europe would be an inhospitable desert within our childrens lifetimes you would not only have the “delete the last 7 seconds of broadcast” button mashed repeatedly but be banned from all media in damnatio memoriae

coke
Jul 12, 2009

BIG HEADLINE posted:

"30-40 years."

Yeah, I'm sure we can beat that estimate by a decade or so. :smith:

Annnnnnd I just noticed the video's nine years old. =/

huh really let me check the updated info

https://www.washington.edu/news/2015/03/12/naturally-acidic-waters-of-puget-sound-surround-uws-friday-harbor-labs/

quote:

Researchers found typical values of dissolved carbon dioxide, or CO2, in Puget Sound are more than 650 parts per million, higher than even the 400 parts per million threshold that Earth’s atmosphere crossed last year for the first time in modern humans’ existence. In other words, Puget Sound’s water is already higher in the gas than our CO2-choked atmosphere.

Measurements off the dock show that the water surrounding the lab has an average pH of about 7.8, which is acidic for seawater. Worldwide, average ocean pH is thought to have dropped from about 8.2 to 8.1 due to climate change.

welp i guess that's a nice preview

coke
Jul 12, 2009
also let me check the ipcc estimate from few months back


phew even at the worst estimate we still have a few more decades till there's enough co2 to kill all shellfish in the sea


wait


ok we got nothing to worry about till at least 2070 or so before the ph gets that low






lol that the co2 ppm seem to affect the ph even more in puget sound even at corresponding concentration, but im sure it will be fine though and we wont reach that level of devastating ph level in the ocean world wide till 2070

sauer kraut
Oct 2, 2004

Jel Shaker posted:

i would imagine that if you went on tv and said that most of southern europe would be an inhospitable desert within our childrens lifetimes you would not only have the “delete the last 7 seconds of broadcast” button mashed repeatedly but be banned from all media in damnatio memoriae

You can shout it into the camera for all people care. You think they don't know already?
Birth rates for Italy, Greece, Portugal, the Yugos etc have dropped off a cliff in recent years. Something weird is happening in central Spain that pulls the country average up a bit, but gently caress if I know or care why.
And the highest rates are Scandinavia, Britain and Ireland. France too that goes without saying :banjo:

Loddfafnir
Mar 27, 2021

Rime posted:

*Gestures at my rap sheet*

This is amazing, thanks!

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

lol note that your link is from 2015, too

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

LionArcher posted:

Holy poo poo did I get a BS prob for posting in the other thread. Three days because I wanted to clarify that I wasn't suggesting violence, because I dared to suggest in the future some people may try to guillotine the rich when things get bad. I was in a bad mood and posted over there, thought better of it and was going to edit my post, and was already probed. I am never going back to that thread again. On top of which, then multiple posters broke clear rules in the thread "dunking" on me, and got no probes, including one that vaguely suggested if I think it's this bad I'm a coward for "not doing something about it". A few posters kept it real, but drat that thread.

Anyways, I just wanted to say thank you thread for helping me crack ping and I'm actually in a good space on my end. Venting here (and seeing others do the same) has allowed me to become much cheerier in my real life, and when I see something nuts I just start humming "that funny feeling" and move on with my day. This and the Covid thread also helped make me not just a regular old liberal going "Biden's fine" and now I just sort of chuckle when my friends are disappointed in him.

At least Japan is restarting their nuclear power plants. That will save the day. Right? Right?..

I just realized that one awesome clip from the Newsroom is the perfect response to the “why don’t the experts agree with you doomer??” question that was posed to you

the second a non-fictional climatologist gets that real their career is over

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

mawarannahr posted:

fracing is an industry shill shibboleth. who do you work for?

there’s no K in Hydraulic Fracturing!


(But yes, i spell it the industry way on purpose)

Like oil sands or tar sands, they both suck.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Cold on a Cob posted:

I just realized that one awesome clip from the Newsroom is the perfect response to the “why don’t the experts agree with you doomer??” question that was posed to you

the second a non-fictional climatologist gets that real their career is over

it is, but the moment i posts that clip in that thread the mod would prob me for “low effort posting”.

now somebody should go over there and bring up Europe becoming a Desert. I’m sure that will go well.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

why don't you just not post in the other thread :confused:

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Xaris posted:

to start and let people add-on:

Arctic Death Spiral: https://www.scientistswarning.org/2021/06/15/arctic-death-spiral/
Last thick sea ice breaking: https://www.severe-weather.eu/cryosphere/thick-sea-ice-arctic-breaks-stratospheric-warmings-rrc/
Bumblebees gone already from a lot of america: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/american-bumblebee-has-vanished-from-eight-us-states-180978817/
75% of insects are dead: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/25/the-insect-apocalypse-our-world-will-grind-to-a-halt-without-them https://www.pnas.org/content/118/2/e2023989118
we're dumping radioactive fracking fluid into rivers and roads for funsies: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/oil-gas-fracking-radioactive-investigation-937389/
meat is over 2/3rds of all ag emissions: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/13/meat-greenhouses-gases-food-production-study
"clean" energy is a lot of lol https://scarp.ubc.ca/sites/scarp.ubc.ca/files/energies-14-04508%20%283%29.pdf
the planet is dying faster than we thought: https://www.livescience.com/ghastly-future-global-crises.html

plastics are strangling the life out of the oceans and plants and killing off humans. and we aren't going to stop: https://www.euronews.com/green/2021/10/01/babies-are-full-of-microplastics-new-research-shows https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/47521/20210920/european-lakes-alarming-concentrations-microplastic-pollution-previously-thought.htm https://www.technologynetworks.com/applied-sciences/news/growth-of-microscopic-marine-animals-hindered-by-microplastics-352098 https://www.pnas.org/content/118/31/e2104610118 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/02/microplastic-pollution-devastating-soil-species-study-finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/22/microplastic-pollution-in-oceans-vastly-underestimated-study

methane lol

sizeble portion of the west coast burnt down and massive parts of australia burnt down recently:

lol we're gunna run out of water where all the food is grown:


lmao, lol

FUCK COREY PERRY
Apr 19, 2008



Hexigrammus posted:

Drought in the Canadian Prairies has hit the barley crop, which is going to impact beer brewing. We're hosed, everyone panic.

Local onion crop has been good though. I was going to simplify my life by adopting the ancient Sumerian commoner's diet of onions, beer, and wild rear end. Unfortunately this barley shortage is going to screw that up.

Also a lack of wild rear end.

gently caress climate change finally hits home

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
Lol. I still can't believe that the planners only expected to make the aquifers last 40 years from the start.

Cadillac desert has some solid crack o pingos

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Blockade
Oct 22, 2008

https://twitter.com/SDonziger/status/1450245460837519365

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