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pentyne posted:Level 19 witch/1 crossblood sorc Ember with a +10 CHA bonus and the +1 amulet Cackle has a DC of 32 and Evil eye has a DC of 29. Without the amulet Cackle is 31 and Evil Eye is 29. All those hexes that got their DC boosted aren't offensive hexes anyway, so seems like it's indeed bugged.
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Trebuchet King posted:I just want to know empirically how many times you have to pick good, never picking lawful decisions before you drift into neutral good. 'cos from what i've seen of the alignment system it seems like it should be A Lot and i have a hard time believing that not a single one of the lawful options that showed up along the was palatable to someone aiming to stay good. I'll drop alignment chat after this, but just out of completeness to answer your question: I played a Paladin in my first playthrough and I "fell" to Neutral Good at the beginning of act 3, always or almost always picking the Good answer. This was before most patches, mind, so it might have been fixed by then. It's a very edge case that affects a tiny fraction of content, and it can easily be fixed both in game with scrolls and with toybox, or even "gaming" the answers to align it. It didn't stop me from playing over 140 hours, because the game itself is great.
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Oct 21, 2021 10:51
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pentyne posted:Aside from the amulet you get from Horgrum, did anyone every find any items that would increase a Hex DC? There was a lot of +DC spell stuff in general, the illusion specific stuff as well, but Hex DC starts to really lag around the mid game before you get those high stat bonuses. A few items lower enemy will saves. A belt in the fleshmarkets give -2 will in an aura for example.
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Oct 21, 2021 11:46
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Shaken and Sickened are also -2 os Save each and their are a few spells and abilities that give the condition on a successful save. Speaking of saves I just did the Areshkagel fight and she definately epitomises the issues with the game re:puzzle boss fights. All three saves above 40 even on the lowest enemy setting, AC and Flatfoot more manageble in either the high 30s or low 40s, and a Touch AC of -7. While dealing damage wasn't exactly a problem, being unable to control in the last phase made it slightly hairy, especially after two of the copies killed both my MC and Seelah's horses from under them on the same turn and had killed Aivu and Wendaug's velociraptor a turn earlier.
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Oct 21, 2021 12:27
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Trebuchet King posted:i have a hard time believing that not a single one of the lawful options that showed up along the was palatable to someone aiming to stay good. Some of the lawful options are so laughably milquetoast that basically anyone could take them. Telling a demon “You will be punished for your crimes” for example.
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My issues with Camellia vanished now, since I bought the ring that gives her even more defense since she has Iceplant and the addition of a feat that lets her do more than 1 damage with her rapier (which I managed to find a magic one too). Now she is a solid backup to Seelah. I'm currently running as my main character Kineticist, Seelah, Camellia, Lann, Woljif, and Nenio. I have the aasimar noble and Ember in reserve. I just started Gray Garrison.
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Emberfox posted:My issues with Camellia vanished now, since I bought the ring that gives her even more defense since she has Iceplant and the addition of a feat that lets her do more than 1 damage with her rapier (which I managed to find a magic one too). Now she is a solid backup to Seelah. Camellia is arguably one of the strongest companions (assuming you stick to their vanilla classes and don't do any multi class shennigans). Full caster with very powerful buffs and she can stack AC way high and easily be your best (non-mc) tank later in the game. And it's not too hard to build her to do respectable damage on top of all that, especially if you abuse elemental barrage. She's mean to Ember in camp dialog though, so that makes her the worst companion by default unfortunately.
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Oct 21, 2021 16:11
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i dont think there's any companion she isn't mean to, in fairness. there's a reason i thought the hidden alignment was a funny gag of 'why bother'
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Arivia posted:Ultimate Campaign 136-137. They're optional and I've never really run into anyone using them, but they do exist. Also relevant for WotR are the redemption rules from Champions of Purity 18-19. My group kind of does, in that if you do something that's really rotten as a G type person, the DM will pointedly ask if "you're really sure you're doing that ? because that's an evil thing to do ?". At which point you say "ah, oops, err, ok, let's not do that" (or drop to neutral). Shifting L to C (and vice versa) however, we hardly bother unless somebody at the table plays a "this class is Lawful" or "this class has to be Chaotic" class (like monk or barbie). I can't remember it ever coming up in our 20 odd years of gaming together though.
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Sloober posted:i dont think there's any companion she isn't mean to, in fairness. there's a reason i thought the hidden alignment was a funny gag of 'why bother' She acts all demure around Sosiel, weirdly enough. It's to take advantage of him and make him do her chores, but it's still a subtler approach than with most of the other companions. She's also friendly enough with Seelah. She also sucks up to Arue but only because she wants to hear all the grisly details of Arue's past.  Kinda interesting though that although Arue used to be a professional liar, as she keeps saying, she doesn't smell any of Cam's bullshit and takes it at face value.
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Oct 21, 2021 19:39
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blizzardvizard posted:She acts all demure around Sosiel, weirdly enough. It's to take advantage of him and make him do her chores, but it's still a subtler approach than with most of the other companions. She's also friendly enough with Seelah. Her constant attempts to act all noble and ladylike are hilarious when Daeran is around because he is 100% not buying her act in the slightest.
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blizzardvizard posted:She acts all demure around Sosiel, weirdly enough. It's to take advantage of him and make him do her chores, but it's still a subtler approach than with most of the other companions. She's also friendly enough with Seelah. I think Arue catches on somewhat on the last banter between them, something about Camillia having an odd look in her eyes. Sosiel never catches on though, the chump. Further proof of Sosiel being a chump is when he tries to play confessor with Greybor, who tells him that if he ever feels the need for a confessional, he's going to find a grizzled old cleric to share a bottle with, not confide in an eager puppy who lacks life experience and can't relate to him. pentyne posted:Her constant attempts to act all noble and ladylike are hilarious when Daeran is around because he is 100% not buying her act in the slightest. Several of the companions can spot that Camillia is bad news. Regill is suspicious of Cammy right of the bat, and Greybor seems to sense that something is wrong with her as well when Camellia tries to suck up to him. Wenduag also insinuates that she knows what's what and that Camillia is nowhere near a clever as she thinks she is. Warden fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Oct 21, 2021 |
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Oct 21, 2021 19:54
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can't believe they figured out the true alignment predilection of the lady that yells about bathing in blood and various other extremely detailed bloodthirsty phrases
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Wenduag just automatically assumes the worst of everybody, to be fair. She thinks Sosiel listening to people's confessions is him collecting secrets to be used against them, and she thinks Ember is just doing an elaborate act to hide a dark nature. Just that in Cam's case, she's completely right on the money.
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Oct 21, 2021 20:05
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Sloober posted:can't believe they figured out the true alignment predilection of the lady that yells about bathing in blood and various other extremely detailed bloodthirsty phrases Can't believe enough of the player base in the beta was so shocked by the reveal that Owlcat had to make it way more obvious to appease them
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Oct 21, 2021 20:08
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She seems suspicious as hell, but hasn't actively done anything to make me kick her out. Yet.
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pentyne posted:Can't believe enough of the player base in the beta was so shocked by the reveal that Owlcat had to make it way more obvious to appease them Did she say different stuff in combat in beta? As said she makes it SUPER obvious, although I'll admit that I'd forgotten all about what she said by the time the reveal happened.
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for whatever reason, I didn't get much campfire dialogue from her, so I was just wondering when they were going to develop her character more.
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pentyne posted:Can't believe enough of the player base in the beta was so shocked by the reveal that Owlcat had to make it way more obvious to appease them I never played the beta so I can't really attest to the fact that this was the case, but if this was a fix it was definitely a very stupid and I'm sure there was a more subtle way to go about it
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Taear posted:Did she say different stuff in combat in beta? I think it was so many people gravitated to her as their romance partner that anything thrown up to derail that infuriated them. Sloober posted:I never played the beta so I can't really attest to the fact that this was the case, but if this was a fix it was definitely a very stupid and I'm sure there was a more subtle way to go about it I recall talk of her alignment originally being "lawful good" or so and there was no mention of it being hidden or the necklace doing anything besides being un-removable?
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She wasn't changed much from the alpha I played until full release. She had the necklace and hidden alignment then too, I think it may have made her look like True Neutral on her stats. Also people datamined her deal pretty soon after the alpha started. Up until that point everyone still assumed she was evil but they thought she might be a snakeperson since her necklace looks like a snake gods symbol (I maintain this would have been cooler but I do respect the bait and switch of the making the pretty half-elf a total psycho nutter.). 4chan had a meltdown over their snake waifu dreams shattering.
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Oct 21, 2021 20:55
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pentyne posted:I think it was so many people gravitated to her as their romance partner that anything thrown up to derail that infuriated them. Unremovable amulet, True neutral alignment instead of undetectable.
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Taear posted:Did she say different stuff in combat in beta?
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This reminds me, does anyone know how “bark” came to be the word used for the soundbites in this kind of game?
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Trebuchet King posted:This reminds me, does anyone know how “bark” came to be the word used for the soundbites in this kind of game? Mid-combat soundbites used to just be stuff like "Ugh!" and "Agh!" and other generic battlecries in older games in this and related genres, since having a lot of fully-voiced lines was unfeasible due to technical limitations of the time, and calling them "barks" likely relates to how the voice actors obviously were not in pain or fighting pitched battles so they're just standing in the booth essentially "barking" into the microphone.
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Trebuchet King posted:This reminds me, does anyone know how “bark” came to be the word used for the soundbites in this kind of game? DMX actually got his start in game combat dialogue and developed his signature bark doing it. He's better known for other things, though.
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The original Baldurs Gate games had short voice clips and you could very easily set up custom voices along with the portraits, something I wish they'd kept for the modern games. A friend and I played through coop a few times and would get various sound packs from the internet like the X Files cast. One of our chars had a clip from Xena saying "Such a pretty day for a bloodbath" with a creepy laugh so Camellia is in good company. I can also clearly remember "Blood makes the grass grow!", from one of the official voices on one of the Neverwinter games I think.
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bagrada posted:The original Baldurs Gate games had short voice clips and you could very easily set up custom voices along with the portraits, something I wish they'd kept for the modern games. A friend and I played through coop a few times and would get various sound packs from the internet like the X Files cast. One of our chars had a clip from Xena saying "Such a pretty day for a bloodbath" with a creepy laugh so Camellia is in good company. I can also clearly remember "Blood makes the grass grow!", from one of the official voices on one of the Neverwinter games I think. Oh yeah, JA2 has a lot of great candidates for voice packs like that, see Ivan Dolvich
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is greybor remotely interesting as a companion, because i have my melee slots covered quite nicely and his whole stealthy rear end in a top hat assassin thing has me bored to tears act 3, pre companion quest e: also how bad of an idea is it for me to respec seelah to have a horse friend. i want someone on a horse and i don't see anyone else who would be good at the job
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The Iron Rose posted:is greybor remotely interesting as a companion, because i have my melee slots covered quite nicely and his whole stealthy rear end in a top hat assassin thing has me bored to tears Yeah, he's got a few good bits, especially if you're respectful of his time and work. I felt like the neutral stance of not judging him or condemning him made for a better outcome then pushing him to be "better" if you can call it that. He will absolutely gently caress up anyone so much as looking at Ember the wrong way too, so he's pretty high on the list of good people regardless.
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Kobal2 posted:My group kind of does, in that if you do something that's really rotten as a G type person, the DM will pointedly ask if "you're really sure you're doing that ? because that's an evil thing to do ?". At which point you say "ah, oops, err, ok, let's not do that" (or drop to neutral). I meant specifically the pathfinder system as laid out in Ultimate Campaign. Your DM just sounds like they're using a good rule of thumb, which is fine, but not the actual pathfinder setup.
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Owlcat's writing is OK, not pulitizier or anything, but hey, videogames. If I had to say, Kingmaker was better at story while Wrath was much better at companions, Camellia aside. I do wonder if it has to do with adapting the source material.
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Hexes Update: So, the Blackened Rag and the Blackened Amulet don't conflict and will give a total +2 increase to the hexes it does work on. They both work on Shamans too. Still doesn't explain why the party buff hexes, fortune, protective luck etc. are by default 1 higher then the enemy debuff hexes, evil eye, slumber.
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JamMasterJim posted:Unremovable amulet, True neutral alignment instead of undetectable. Cowards. They should have kept it like that.
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The Iron Rose posted:is greybor remotely interesting as a companion, because i have my melee slots covered quite nicely and his whole stealthy rear end in a top hat assassin thing has me bored to tears That's pretty much Greybor. You can have some affect on him but he's always going to be detached and about his reputation. Mechanically he's pretty good. Seelah on a horse is a good idea. You just have to remember to buff the horse. And to make her mount it. She starts dismounted every time you enter a map. Normally she moves around slowly compared to the rest of the party because of the full plate and the horse covers that. And the weapon bond is more micromanagement overall in my experience. You have to press the button to activate it and then you have to pick the other things depending on the situation. Its pretty strong but its a hassle that doesn't seem important on core. Having to drop a high ac horse before she ever takes damage while she moves around the battlefield without losing half a turn is a good that is mostly always on. Just choose the horse profile that's defensive.
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Goofballs posted:That's pretty much Greybor. You can have some affect on him but he's always going to be detached and about his reputation. Mechanically he's pretty good. There's a lot of abilities in these games that my eyes kind of glaze over as I read and just switch to a different option and weapon bond is one of them. For classes, it's warpriest as none of the ability descriptions make sense to me and I'd have to play the class for several hours to probably figure it out. And the animal's teamwork feats still count? and get an attack properly now? Animal companions as a whole are the source of a lot of confusions as to what is and isn't working.
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Sloober posted:can't believe they figured out the true alignment predilection of the lady that yells about bathing in blood and various other extremely detailed bloodthirsty phrases blood for the blood god
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so anyone else get the bug in Demon's Heresy where you go to the map and literally nothing happens? I'm quite content toyboxing this but starting the quest stages doesn't seem to make any difference. nothing appears in the map, no enemies, no conversations with Arueshalae, no bell or perception checks. I recruited her in chapter 2 e: figured it out, needed to add the "Go to greengates" objective and not the "enter greengates" objective. The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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So I finally started using Seelah mounted on her horse and a) it's amazingly effective, so much more so then I thought b) a full attack is like 6-7 attacks between her and the horse at level 5 (hasted) c) she flies across the battlefield d) charging the back line will never not be hilarious (when it works) But in general I'm noticing a lot, like really a lot of pathing issues, occasionally she'll just freeze in place until I select her directly, and any sort of auto-attack or group movement is a huge pain in any sort of hall way situation. Mounts and mounted combat really do have a completely different feel to it early on, but its very much a concern with how it's going to fall off in later levels with those +30 attack, 6-8 attack demons without the mount feats on Seelah and the defensive feats on the horse. Mythic Companion and Mythic Charge are a given but I'm wondering about saves and spell effects, like if a horse can't make the will save does it mess up Seelah too?
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