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I never got the sense they were depicting Heighliners as tunnels. They're almost always depicted as massive tube ships.
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Oct 22, 2021 14:55
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Looked like a tunnel to me in this movie. Ships go in one side and come out the other, and when you look through the Arrakis side you can see Salusa Secondus or Caladan or wherever on the other end.
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Oct 22, 2021 14:58
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A tunnel would be very lame and like I said they almost always look like that. He probably just didn't see the point in showing them making the jump since people understand spaceships. Maybe I'll eat my words with Part Two.
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Oct 22, 2021 15:01
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I thought this was fantastic. Just a great scifi epic. I am worried we won't get part 2 though.
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Oct 22, 2021 15:07
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It's been more or less confirmed https://www.avclub.com/dune-part-one-all-but-surely-will-get-a-part-two-hint-1847911216
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Oct 22, 2021 15:09
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The giant space worms make way more sense than space ships. The worms are consuming and rebirthing the entire universe.
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Oct 22, 2021 15:14
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Can a book-reader please let me know if "travelling without moving" is in the book at all? Google suggets it's just Lynch, but I found that line particularly memorable and missed the whole space travel aspect in this one.
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Oct 22, 2021 15:15
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I finished my second read-through about a month ago. That's definitely not in the first book. First book the spice gives guildsmen enough prescience to steer ships well enough that they don't collide with a star.
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Oct 22, 2021 15:18
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Hollismason posted:I thought this was fantastic. Just a great scifi epic. I am worried we won't get part 2 though.
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Oct 22, 2021 15:32
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I said come in! posted:Parts of this movie did feel like a bunch of suits in a boardroom meddled with it, and demanded certain things of it. The lack of violence, and how clean the deaths felt, were almost for sure one of those things. Someone absolutely said "we want this to be our Star Wars." I feel like it's an unrealistic expectation for a movie of this size and scope not to have any studio meddling, but imo Villeneuve enjoys a lot more freedom in this regard than other directors do, and the studio involvement is probably much more weighted to the film's marketing and merchandising than the content.
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Oct 22, 2021 15:34
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Strong adaptation. Any alterations and cuts from the book are quibbles. Some visuals not seen in the book just at to the weird "alienness" of the setting. It's unfortunate we couldn't spend more time with Thufir and Yueh, but the treatment of Jamis was really compelling and his actor was fun to watch. Kynes' death works in the context of this movie. Have to agree with the overabundance of Chani/dove commercial comment. Seeing more altered visions of her would've been more interesting. It's a testament to Villeneuve's skill at the pacing of this movie. Forty-five minutes in I was surprised how much and little happened in regards to plot but was fascinated all the way.
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Oct 22, 2021 15:41
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Rabelais D posted:If Paul isn't magic how can he, a scrawny kid with no real life fighting experience, overcome a seasoned veteran at the end? Because he's a super comically rich kid who has been trained his entire life by immense badasses? It's even directly in the movie. When he's fighting Jamis, he keeps winning in the sense of he could've killed him but he's never killed anyone so he can't bring himself to actually stab him. Because he's specifically only ever done practice sessions, even if he's done them 4 hours a day for 20 years or whatever, so he can perform all the correct counters but hesitates. Made up number on the amount of training because it's not stated, but it's clearly something absurd since he's been taking private knife fighting lessons from a dude so badass people from other planets are afraid of dudes who just hang with him, and he's been taking those lessons for so long that he's bros with the aforementioned knife genius and they have a designated back-up knife genius in case the first one is busy : this isn't exactly an 8 year old's clarinet lessons. And that's not getting into the fact that he does, in fact, have magic powers which is also the plot of the movie : it's not "scrawny kid with no real life fighting experience", it's "person who has received literally the best possible education on a subject doing their first applied exercise who bee tee dubs is also the prophesied messiah of psychic space cocaine." It's not a magic plot hole. The climax of the movie is a whole scene about this that's been set up multiple times throughout the rest of the movie.
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Oct 22, 2021 15:47
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Groovelord Neato posted:I never got the sense they were depicting Heighliners as tunnels. They're almost always depicted as massive tube ships. I didn't notice the tunnel thing. What I noticed is that it looked almost exactly like the No Ship pictured on the cover of Chapterhouse. It also looked a lot like the worms, a nice subtle indication of their place in the Spice cycle. I especially like that we don't see a full fishman navigator in this movie. Save that for when Edric shows up in Messiah.
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Is there any hint in the movie that Paul is trained to be a mentat, like he is in the books?david_a posted:Did I see this wrong, or are the Heighliners in this movie just big tubes that open a tunnel between two points in space? IE you just fly through them, you never dock like in the Lynch film. Styling them after sand worms was interesting too. Thundarr posted:I can kind of accept the laser use even though they don't bring up the interaction with shields. Duncan is probably the biggest badass in the galaxy so they may have figured a suicide attack would be worth it overall if they could off him quickly, even though it didn't work. So "don't shoot lasers at shields" could still get brought up in part 2. Remember too that Pauls reason for it in the books is that he wasn't using it on an enemy, but merely on a feature of the terrain, because he was in such a hurry to return to the emperor
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Oct 22, 2021 15:57
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PeterWeller posted:
From a film-making perspective, I couldn't agree with you more. But if you got some body-image issues, the sight of a full-blown Guild Navigator can be quite the little ego boost. "Hey, maybe I'm not so ugly after all. That guy seems to be doing well."
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Oct 22, 2021 15:59
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AwkwardKnob posted:That's also my literal only complaint about the movie, having seen it twice now -- some of the peripheral characters we all know and love from the books, who got legitimate excellent casting -- they just don't get a lot of time to shine onscreen. Rabban, Piter de Vries, hell even the Baron. I truly hope they make an extended edition like LOTR got and yeah yeah I know the director would like NEVER DO THAT but gently caress that poo poo, use all the hours of footage you shot and give the fans what they want. This movie is for Dune fans. If the second part gets officially greenlit, that would be the SMARTEST way to drum up interest all over again before it comes out Literally nobody who would be interested in this is skipping Dune 2 regardless
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Oct 22, 2021 16:01
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Saw it last night and loved it. Overall I was pretty impressed with how successful they were at distilling the politicking and world building down to its most essential elements, without beating the audience over the head or relying on a single character to deliverer all the exposition. I reread the first book and continued on through God Emperor this last year, so it's probably impossible for me to view it outside of that context, but my wife has never read them and she really liked it too. Really hoping we get more weirdness and opulence in the second book (gladiatorial combat please!). On the one hand it definitely feels like it would have been served well by splitting it into three parts rather than two. The first third could be everything up to Leto's assassination, which would give it even more time to breathe, more time on Arrakis before the attack, and so on. But on the other hand it the studio would probably never go for that, and that second movie would really drag for audiences who haven't read the books, and I don't know how much more exposition and detail general audiences could take in that first movie. Cutting the story where they did makes a certain amount of sense, since killing Jamis is the fulcrum for Paul's entire trajectory going forward. The visions Paul had about Jamis teaching him to be a Fremen legitimately made me think they were going to change it to have Paul refuse to kill him or something Hollywoody like that. I was glad they stuck to the story as it was originally written. The movie was incredibly loud in the theater, to great effect. The Voice was well done, especially in the loud theater. I'm glad they didn't bother explaining things like the Baron's suspensors and just let it be weird.
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Oct 22, 2021 16:02
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Never read the books. Just know about dune from the impact it has on Sci Fi. The coolest two scenes to me were the emperor's elite troops being introduced - even though they just ended up being slightly tougher mooks and the sandstorm scene.
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Oct 22, 2021 16:14
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What was up with the spider creature the rev mother tells to get out? Just a weird flavor addition?
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I think that was a human once. Now to be completely thatguy and say that it reminds me of 40k.
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Oct 22, 2021 16:16
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FPyat posted:They changed the harvester scene so that the carryall comes but fails to lift. I guess they wanted to make the work spent on the CGI animation worth it. Pedro De Heredia posted:For me personally the Butlerian Jihad just raises more questions than it answers. Rabelais D posted:Can a book-reader please let me know if "travelling without moving" is in the book at all? Google suggets it's just Lynch, but I found that line particularly memorable and missed the whole space travel aspect in this one. Xiahou Dun posted:he's been taking private knife fighting lessons from a dude so badass people from other planets are afraid of dudes who just hang with him, and he's been taking those lessons for so long that he's bros with the aforementioned knife genius and they have a designated back-up knife genius in case the first one is busy : this isn't exactly an 8 year old's clarinet lessons. Steve Yun posted:Roommate knows sign language and says whatever sign language they’re using in the movie is not ASL
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Oct 22, 2021 16:24
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CapnAndy posted:He's also been taking lessons from his mom, who demonstrates how insanely badass the Bene Gesserit can be right before that when she defeats and disables Stilgar with approximately zero effort. So he's been trained in normal fighting by the biggest badasses in the galaxy, plus he's been trained in special witch fighting that nobody's supposed to know even exists. That scene was hilarious. "Well, I hosed up real bad"
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Electromax posted:What was up with the spider creature the rev mother tells to get out? Just a weird flavor addition? When I saw that, I thought  Now I’m always going to think frogsay is using the voice. CapnAndy posted:
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Electromax posted:What was up with the spider creature the rev mother tells to get out? Just a weird flavor addition?
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Electromax posted:What was up with the spider creature the rev mother tells to get out? Just a weird flavor addition? Kinkshaming
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CapnAndy posted:That was a good change, I thought. "Oh, carryall hosed up, welp the desert sure isn't kind to machines!" is much more plausibly deniable than "carryall didn't show up, this is obvious, blatant sabotage". And the Atreides still knew what was happening, so the whole point of it, the "ha ha we are loving you directly to your face while the supposed-to-be-impartial judge watches, what you gonna do about it" aspect remains. That's how I always read that scene.
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Oct 22, 2021 16:40
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Hannibal Rex posted:Another thing that I really didn't like was how monochromatic and colorless the entire film is. I have to agree with this. The desert felt as if it was cold.
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Tankbuster posted:I think that was a human once. Now to be completely thatguy and say that it reminds me of 40k. Funny you should say that. 40k is heavily inspired by Dune. One of the reasons I initially got hooked on 40k artwork was because it was triggering the same kind of quirks I loved about Dune.
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CapnAndy posted:I wonder if it maybe was Yueh's wife? He says they took her apart and made him watch, I might bargain the deaths of myself and everyone I love just to have someone put out of that misery too.
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Electromax posted:What was up with the spider creature the rev mother tells to get out? Just a weird flavor addition? Yueh's wife
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Anonymous Zebra posted:Funny you should say that. 40k is heavily inspired by Dune. One of the reasons I initially got hooked on 40k artwork was because it was triggering the same kind of quirks I loved about Dune.
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Anonymous Zebra posted:Funny you should say that. 40k is heavily inspired by Dune. One of the reasons I initially got hooked on 40k artwork was because it was triggering the same kind of quirks I loved about Dune. Oh I know that. 40k is derivative of older sci fi. It's just 40k nerds are a bit annoying.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:In the books, isn't it supposed to be a demonstration of how many plans within plans that the Harkonnen had, that Vladimir could predict that Duke Leto would go on an inspection and then the sabotage would happen and Duke Leto would risk things to save the men?
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Question about the sardaukar. Whose blood were they being anointed with? That and the spider human pet were the most striking things for me.
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Oct 22, 2021 17:00
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gohmak posted:Yueh's wife I completely missed this. Goddamn, it does suck to be Yueh.
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Oct 22, 2021 17:02
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flashy_mcflash posted:I completely missed this. Goddamn, it does suck to be Yueh. was it really her or was it implied?
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CapnAndy posted:I never read it that way. If that was the Harkonnen plan, it backfired horribly -- seeing Leto dismiss the spice haul as meaningless and risk the lives of his retainers, son, and own self to save workers he doesn't even know is what tips Liet over from "another fuckin' outworlder" to "...huh, do I maybe actually like these people?" My read on it was always that the spice business is under general sabotage and rather than getting to see a standard job, Leto and company get to see the fuckery firsthand, but it's nothing anyone did, or could have, predicted. Baron and even the Emperor could predict that reaction easily, they have mentat/Benne Gesserit advisors plus Leto's benevolent touch is why the Emperor wants him dead I don't think the Baron planned it specifically - all the sabotage and traps aren't expected to work, just keep the atreides distracted so they don't consider or properly prepare for a full scale imperial invasion
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Tankbuster posted:Question about the sardaukar. Whose blood were they being anointed with? That and the spider human pet were the most striking things for me. gohmak posted:Yueh's wife  Tankbuster posted:was it really her or was it implied? It's not really implied unless they have a very different definition of doll in the future.
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