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Spalec posted:Why were real bullets anywhere on the set at all? It's a classic Hitman trick. What you need to do is distract the prop master by turning on a radio. When he comes over to investigate you bash his head in with a wrench, hide his body and disguise yourself with his clothes. Then you can swap the prop gun out with a real one and the rest of the crew is none the wiser.
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Spalec posted:Why were real bullets anywhere on the set at all? probably for close-ups and texture shots.
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Oct 22, 2021 17:22
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Hearsay from reading responses to this, but apparently recoil is absolutely trivial for an actor to just fake themselves and adding muzzle flashes in post is the easiest thing in the world, so using blanks isn't even "necessary" anymore.
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Oct 22, 2021 18:09
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Arist posted:Hearsay from reading responses to this, but apparently recoil is absolutely trivial for an actor to just fake themselves and adding muzzle flashes in post is the easiest thing in the world, so using blanks isn't even "necessary" anymore. Also if you ask anyone who knows what they're talking about to watch scenes of shootouts, they'll think of a hundred things that are done completely inaccurately anyway so it doesn't even matter.
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Oct 22, 2021 18:11
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Arist posted:Hearsay from reading responses to this, but apparently recoil is absolutely trivial for an actor to just fake themselves and adding muzzle flashes in post is the easiest thing in the world, so using blanks isn't even "necessary" anymore. It's probably still cheaper to just use blanks. 
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Oct 22, 2021 18:24
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Remember Jon-Erik Hexum of the 80s Voyagers! and Cover Up shows? Fired a .44 magnum blank into his own head, Russian roulette style.  E: on the set of Cover Up, because he was impatient and was joking round isaboo fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Oct 22, 2021 18:33
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dorium posted:probably for close-ups and texture shots. Which again, shouldn't be necessary anymore. They change out the entire sky in post if it's not exactly what they want, they can texture map and add CGI bullets into the chamber of a revolver in post that are convincing enough for the blink and you'll miss it shot that shows the ammunition. They have cigarette smoke added in post now so actors don't have to smoke IRL because it's bad for them and those they are working around, yet for some reason they still handle props that are lethal weapons.
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Oct 22, 2021 18:43
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God I loved Voyagers. I have a memory of the afternoon kids tv presenter straight up describing what happened, and that the show was therfore over, which seems pretty hardcore or inappropriate from this side. Wonder if my child would get into it, hope so.
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Oct 22, 2021 18:43
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I'm on to season 2 of Chuck and I'm glad Morgan's hair isn't a nightmare helmet anymore and also Bryce Larkin can eat my entire rear end
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Oct 22, 2021 19:31
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Real bullet or not, none of this explains why Baldwin was pointing a gun at the DP/director with his finger on the trigger. Even if (big if), the nonunion propmaster said it was a solid plug or not loaded*, you absolutely never do that and Baldwin has done enough movies with guns to know that. *it’s the Old West, so revolvers are very very easy to verify if they’re loaded. Also, it’s very very easy to tell blanks apart from bullets when it’s being loaded. I’m not a prop or an armorer, but blanks simply don’t have the bullet in the casing, they’re crimped at the end. theflyingexecutive fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Oct 22, 2021 19:33
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That's a tragedy. All of this talk about replacing practical gun effects with post-processing always makes me think of those god awful TWD shots like:   
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Oct 22, 2021 19:36
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So what? It's not like car chases in movies use realistic physics. Or fight scenes. Or anything. Who cares if a gun doesn't have recoil? It's adjacent to tactical realism nitpicking.
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Oct 22, 2021 19:45
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Eh, I mean, it's not that it's unrealistic...it's that it doesn't really have any physics at all, I would say. It's more like a Fast and Furious car chase where the drivers are just sort of sitting straight up in their seats while they take hairpin turns at 60 mph, or a fist fight where people are getting "punched" and providing zero feedback, you know?
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Oct 22, 2021 19:49
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Eh, I mean, it's not that it's unrealistic...it's that it doesn't really have any physics at all, I would say. It's more like a Fast and Furious car chase where the drivers are just sort of sitting straight up in their seats while they take hairpin turns at 60 mph, or a fist fight where people are getting "punched" and providing zero feedback, you know? They dragged that safe around without their cars being split in two. Inertia works differently in the FF universe.
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Oct 22, 2021 19:54
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oh jay posted:They dragged that safe around without their cars being split in two. Inertia works differently in the FF universe. The last movie where Tyrese keeps saying "how are we not dead? How is this possible?" is hilarious, like at this point his character has become self-aware that he's become a superhero in a series of movies and is not real.
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Oct 22, 2021 19:57
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Oh poo poo, he was the Bishop on Evil.
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Oct 22, 2021 20:03
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dorium posted:probably for close-ups and texture shots. So a goon on the last page who works in the industry explained it pretty well: theflyingexecutive posted:Prop guns fall into a couple categories: tl;dr: While blanks are safe, parts of the shell can get dislodged in the gun and then those parts can get shot like a real bullet with the next blank. Blanks are generally handled like real guns in terms of safety, so somebody hosed up. Apparently this is also how Brandon Lee was shot, it’s a popular myth that a real bullet was loaded in the gun. edit: reports are popping up that the prop master was some cheap non-union guy and there was actually a live round in the gun. lexxyth fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Oct 22, 2021 20:03
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Honestly, that’s part of the greater gun culture problem in the US. I mean, for fucks sake, there’s an internet movie firearms database and there 10 season wikis of Stargate loving SG-1 outlining every appearance of a weapon with screenshots. I get that there are enthusiasts with everything and if i tried hard enough i could find a wiki on the use of ornamental bath tubs on screen, but the fetishization of weapons in media is extreme and bathtubs typically don’t kill actors and crew members while filming. I love it when i’m looking at trivia for a movie on imdb and there’s 3 paragraphs in there giving the full history of a prop that someone just thought looked cool to modify and put in a movie. You could have a firearm show up in LOTR and the predominant conversation around it wouldn’t be the anachronism, it would be about what it was based on and what modifications were done and would that really be effective against a balrog and how impractical that other thing would be for the environment they are traveling in. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Oct 22, 2021 20:55
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https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/1451539334142779396?s=20 https://twitter.com/eoinhiggins_/status/1451602141018263564?s=21 Looking more and more like someone was playing with a real gun while hiring scabs because the union workers quit over safety protocols... This is a horrible and completely preventable tragedy.
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Oct 22, 2021 20:59
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Here’s the deleted post, which is now being reported by LA Times:
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Oct 22, 2021 21:04
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The Brandon Lee situation is sad because there were so many places where it could have been stopped if they actually had/followed safety protocols. First with the incorrectly disarmed bullet that still had an intact primer. When the gun was unloaded someone should have noticed that one of the cartridges was missing the bullet and then when they went to fire the blanks someone definitely should have checked the gun to make sure there were no obstructions in the barrel.
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Oct 22, 2021 21:12
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:That's a tragedy. I would gladly take all on-screen guns firing like this if it meant eliminating the use of CGI gunshot wounds/blood and going back to actual squibs.
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OldSenileGuy posted:I would gladly take all on-screen guns firing like this if it meant eliminating the use of CGI gunshot wounds/blood and going back to actual squibs. Whaaaaaaaaat you don't like this? https://imgur.com/1Z5c13u (I'm linking it because goofy blood effects are involved and aren't probably SFW)
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Poor gun safety https://twitter.com/whowhatnow56/status/1451608655397224451?t=aZm1gm855Z6X-Htnyozyyg&s=19 So whoever they had for the armorer was bad at their jobs
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Aardvark! posted:I'm on to season 2 of Chuck and I'm glad Morgan's hair isn't a nightmare helmet anymore and also Bryce Larkin can eat my entire rear end And also Morgan's new hair.
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Paracaidas posted:Well I'm thankful that Bryce Larkin is dead and is not currently in my bedroom making out with my new girlfriend Now Im definitely rewatching Chuck for Thanksgiving.
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OldSenileGuy posted:I would gladly take all on-screen guns firing like this if it meant eliminating the use of CGI gunshot wounds/blood and going back to actual squibs. Here's a fun unwritten studio S&P rule: special effects squib loads with blood packets (blood hits) are a mandatory R/TV-MA rating, special effects squib loads with powder (dust hits) with visual effects (cgi) blood can be PG-13/TV-14 however. Also every take with squibs takes at least twenty minutes to reset (more with blood hits) and a lot of non-stunt principals won't use them because they're literally mini explosives, so plenty of cheaper productions will opt for all visual effects for bullet impact/blood spray. Remember that the most expensive resource a production has is their most famous actor's time between other gigs (unless you're the half script page a day blockbuster), so production will do anything that saves their on-set time.
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Oct 22, 2021 22:17
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:That's a tragedy. Unless you are a gun nut no one gives a poo poo. It looks fine.
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Oct 22, 2021 22:27
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I think it just dropped today, but has anyone checked out Inside Job on Netflix? Created by the guy who did Gravity Falls
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theflyingexecutive posted:Here's a fun unwritten studio S&P rule: special effects squib loads with blood packets (blood hits) are a mandatory R/TV-MA rating, special effects squib loads with powder (dust hits) with visual effects (cgi) blood can be PG-13/TV-14 however. Interesting, any particular reason for the disparity in ratings? Is it because of how fake the CGI effects can look by comparison? That's the only thing that I can think of, but I'm not even sure that would make sense.
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isaboo posted:I think it just dropped today, but has anyone checked out Inside Job on Netflix? I believe the creator was only a writer on GF, with Alex Hirsch as an exec producer. Saw some reviews that seemed pretty middling.
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Oct 22, 2021 23:30
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I read the responses and it’s good information which makes sense but that will not stop me from agreeing with OldSenileGuy posted:I would gladly take all on-screen guns firing like this if it meant eliminating the use of CGI gunshot wounds/blood and going back to actual squibs.
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Oct 22, 2021 23:33
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Interesting, any particular reason for the disparity in ratings? Is it because of how fake the CGI effects can look by comparison? That's the only thing that I can think of, but I'm not even sure that would make sense. I'm going to guess there's a minimum velocity for a squib to work and that explosion produces a more violent blood effect than some minimal CGI splatter. Basically you can tailor make the CGI blood shot wound to have less of a visceral impact.
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I'd assume that the presence of "real" blood is grounds for TV-MA/R ratings not necessarily because it looks realer (though it does) but because it's not a post-production effect, it's a part of the scene itself.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Interesting, any particular reason for the disparity in ratings? Is it because of how fake the CGI effects can look by comparison? That's the only thing that I can think of, but I'm not even sure that would make sense. Reminds me of how "Taxi Driver" had to de-saturate the color a bit during the final shootout scene so all the blood didn't earn it an X rating.
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isaboo posted:I think it just dropped today, but has anyone checked out Inside Job on Netflix? I binged it. It is solidly okay, the background jokes are good though.
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Oct 23, 2021 02:00
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So Invasion on ATV+ is pretty drat good.
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Matt Zerella posted:So Invasion on ATV+ is pretty drat good. I'm a bit torn on this one. The Cinematography , direction, writing, and acting are all top notch. Everything on paper says this is a great show. But I'm bored. Its pacing is so glacially slow, it almost feels like this things just a bunch of snapshots in the days of the lives of people in the end-times. Three episodes of almost nothing happening except some weird poo poo. I guess I'll have to hold out and see where this goes. But slow starts kill series dead. People complain that the Expanse starts too slow so they never followed through to realise the world of amazing TV at the end of that "slow" start up, but poo poo, *lots* of things happen in those first few episode. This? Its just sad people and weird things. Maybe it'll pick up steam and start being a story, but its sabotaged itself hard with this slow as treacle pacing.
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