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I feel like "good" game review tends to come down to if you like the reviewer's tastes more than employer, but Polygon has had some real mixed bag poo poo under their banner. I believe the "I couldn't read a map and threw a tantrum and didn't finish the game" Nier review was them.
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secretly best girl posted:I feel like "good" game review tends to come down to if you like the reviewer's tastes more than employer, but Polygon has had some real mixed bag poo poo under their banner. I believe the "I couldn't read a map and threw a tantrum and didn't finish the game" Nier review was them. That was Justin McElroy lol
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Oct 25, 2021 17:08
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It's probably very fair to mention Persona because it's a more popular series but man the polygon preview has like one paragraph that doesn't mention Persona. I hope they end up enjoying it though!
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Oct 25, 2021 17:23
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Tired Moritz posted:isn't polygon one of the good game review sites? No such thing.
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Oct 25, 2021 17:27
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There are no good review sites as a whole, just good individual reviewers who may work for said site
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Oct 25, 2021 17:40
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Oct 25, 2021 17:48
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That's a funny preview because they spend most of it talking up how different the game is from 5, the Persona game with the most mainline mechanics and ideas in it.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:18
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Tired Moritz posted:isn't polygon one of the good game review sites? God no
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RubberLuffy posted:Previews for V are going up across the internet. Really positive stuff I'm seeing. Good, I'm glad that this game is not acting as a Persona substitute to those who wish it were.
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Oct 25, 2021 18:26
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Coming soon to a review site near you:
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Oct 25, 2021 21:03
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I'm going to develop an unhealthy parasocial relationship with the game previews.
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Oct 25, 2021 21:13
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Tired Moritz posted:isn't polygon one of the good game review sites? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3pQ0oO_cDE
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Oct 25, 2021 23:28
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I find that Polygon is typically good for reviewing everything outside of the 'middle of the road'. If there's a huge hype machine for something they're typically an early outlet getting off of it to speak to actual problems, and they'll talk about smaller indie stuff than most others. But when they hit up something that isn't either the big names or the stuff so niche you'd never hear about it otherwise, they struggle. I'll always defend them for that Doom 2016 first look, though, they were falling victim to Doom 2016 actually having a pretty bad approach to designing the very first rooms. Everyone knows that the first few minutes of a game are filled with those initial 'okay what buttons do what, is the Y axis inverted, are the settings right', and Doom 2016 ruins that by putting you up against enemies in the very first second (even the original Doom doesn't do that). I can recognize all the stresses that video producer is going through without hearing a word from them; they're being forced to do their best in putting on a show without having a moment to acclimate to the controls or the game's overall design direction, of course they hosed up! Small wonder why they moved away from the 'first look' videos. (No excuse for the Cuphead video.)
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Oct 25, 2021 23:47
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Cleretic posted:
This would be a valid point if like....this happened to anyone else. Instead you pick up and move and do the same poo poo you've done in 100 fps's over the last decade.
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Oct 25, 2021 23:50
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enojy posted:Good, I'm glad that this game is not acting as a Persona substitute to those who wish it were.  Some of the trailers made it seem like the story was going to have alot of shift toward warming persona people up to smt. And I just really don't want the 2 to become too similar. I only get a mainline game once every
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Oct 26, 2021 00:02
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Persona is for making friends and Shin Megami Tensei is for un-making them.
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Hey, you can usually count on one person to follow you always. Remember Heroine from the first game? Loyal no matter what route.
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Junpei posted:Hey, you can usually count on one person to follow you always. Remember Heroine from the first game? Loyal no matter what route. There were always three heros. Law Hero Neutral Hero Chaos hero Of the three the Law and Chaos heroes always leave regardless of your route because they are always too extreme in their worldviews and always see the Hero as too nice or soft. The one who never leaves is the Neutral Hero, who's always the Heroine. SMT IV shook that up by making the Neutral Hero an actual Hero and one willing to fight the Law/Chaos aligned Hero because she wants to save everyone.
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Oct 26, 2021 02:04
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I mean SMTII shook it up by killing the Heroine, and not having a law or chaos hero
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Oct 26, 2021 02:08
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Aogami is the loyal heroine of SMT5
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Oct 26, 2021 02:19
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lol like clockwork. Also why on earth would you ever need notes for royal? everything is in game!
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Oct 26, 2021 02:31
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SMT fans will get mad over any mention of Persona, but the funny part to me is that they're calling it easier and more accessible because you only have the combat element to worry instead of having to juggle that with another genre's worth of mechanics, regardless of differences in combat difficulty.
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Gaius Marius posted:I mean SMTII shook it up by killing the Heroine, and not having a law or chaos hero They kinda did, but the Chaos/Law Hero was the same character, and there were two Heroines (the first one was a Law Heroine) I will admit that SMTII shook the entire meta setup about the various heros on it's head with a rival Neutral Hero and Two heroines, and one Law/Chaos Hero. But than again SMT II also had some of the best writing in the series for a SNES game.
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Oct 26, 2021 02:34
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Keep track of relationships? I don’t nderstsnd it can only go one way
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DrManiac posted:lol like clockwork. Also why on earth would you ever need notes for royal? everything is in game! Fusion stuff I could see, but that'd be something that carries into SMTV, so it can't be that. Maps, and maybe scheduling? I don't recall P5 being as brutal about schedules as 4 or (especially) 3, but I could see someone getting pedantic about that. The fact they kept talking about specifically P5R shows that was their entry point to the series, and I could see someone who doesn't know a lot of the real-world stuff is pretty unimportant and undemanding getting overwhelmed and perhaps deciding 'people say the Persona games are hard, this must be the hard part'. EDIT: Actually, I bet I know what it was. I bet it was a 'will this be on the test' mentality with the class questions.
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Motto posted:SMT fans will get mad over any mention of Persona, but the funny part to me is that they're calling it easier and more accessible because you only have the combat element to worry instead of having to juggle that with another genre's worth of mechanics, regardless of differences in combat difficulty. The real kicker with the Polygon article is the entire article is only 8 paragraphs long, yet has the following stats:
Edit: I forgot that Persona is also in the article title as well.
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Well yeah, it's an article by and targeted at Persona fans interested in SMT.
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Oct 26, 2021 03:40
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An article about a game coming out soon should probably primarily be about that game instead of some other one hth
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Motto posted:Well yeah, it's an article by and targeted at Persona fans interested in SMT. The problem is that the preview doesn't really feel written for that purpose, or at least, not exclusively. Like, the start is: polygon posted:Shin Megami Tensei 5 is the latest entry in Atlus’ JRPG series where you fight and recruit demons. The franchise is known for a complex turn-based combat system where you’re able to negotiate with your foes — just like in Atlus’ other series, Persona. SMT5 starts when a stoic, bookish high schooler gets suddenly transported to a post-apocalyptic Tokyo and fuses with a demon to fight off monsters crawling across the city. It feels like it wants to be a more objective statement of facts from the opening paragraph. Some basic editing would fix this. Compare it with the article with the following possible start: polygon posted:I’ve had my eye on the Shin Megami Tensei series for a while now. Persona 5 Royal, which has a lot in common with SMT, became a staple of my early pandemic days. I also knew that the series inspired the cult indie of a generation, Undertale. So when I saw both the remake, Shin Megami Tensei 3: Nocturne, and the new upcoming Shin Megami Tensei 5, I decided it was finally time for me to sink my teeth into the series. The original version makes it sound more like a description from a preview while the latter start makes it clear that it is someone that just wants to talk about their experiences with this game as a Persona fan. Both intros can be fine, but expectations for the articles that follow from the first paragraph are drastically different.
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cdyoung posted:They kinda did, but the Chaos/Law Hero was the same character, and there were two Heroines (the first one was a Law Heroine) I will admit that SMTII shook the entire meta setup about the various heros on it's head with a rival Neutral Hero and Two heroines, and one Law/Chaos Hero. But than again SMT II also had some of the best writing in the series for a SNES game. I honestly wouldn't consider Zayin to be either Law or Chaos hero, he's more in the position of Thorman or Gotou. And Daleth is such a loving joke that I can't in good conscious consider him a Hero. Thinking about it, I think you could really do some thinking about how the whole project the center was doing was a total failure. Daleth I guess does his job, Zain is taken over by Satan, Beth is killed unexpectedly defending a false Messiah instead of the created messiah, and what the fucks his name get's owned in his VR world. And really the end is the son confronting his father, YHVH, with only his mother as support. Something to consider I guess. What I'm saying is SMTII owns bones and people should play it
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Honestly, the only line from the Polygon review that I found really objectionable is this oneAna Diaz posted:Despite these initial differences, a lot of the actual play feels familiar to other Atlus games. Much of the battle mechanics largely remain the same — jumping in, I see a recognizable cast of monsters like Pixie (a fairy who has healing powers) and Slime (a giant pile of slime). I know it's popular to dunk on games journalists, but it's a decent preview for people who haven't played a mainline SMT game before. For the experts in the thread, it's useless, but there are others like this one that are more helpful https://themakoreactor.com/features/shin-megami-tensei-v-preview-english-gameplay-nintendo-switch-docked-handheld-abscess-soundtrack/30952/.
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God who cares what Polygon wrote Here's one from Easy Allies, watch that instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ShgWg7eJ4o I think I'm overly excited for collectables in the overworld when the movement looks pretty good. I'm wondering if I'll play this on hard though or not from the get go.
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KonvexKonkav posted:Honestly, the only line from the Polygon review that I found really objectionable is this one Next thing you know there will be multiple derivatives of Jack Frost. So lazy on Atlus' part. [/sarcasm] I don't think SMT fans are mad about this like they were about (I think) that SMTIV review that called it the Dark Souls of the Persona series or whatever. I see more sardonic amusement at the dumb plebs, which is the correct response. It's a reviewer who did a bad review, not a rando Persona fan or something. Nothing wrong with picking on people who deserve it, IMO. In any event, I don't read reviews or watch trailers. I'll make up my own mind when it comes out. Only a few more weeks! NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Oct 26, 2021 |
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I think my only fear so far is the soundtrack. Nothing I’ve heard so far is a banger which is disappointing when 4’s was so goddamn amazing.
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Tbh nothing was as cool as the teasers for IV opening with remixes of I II and III before dropping it's own sick rear end Intro theme
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Golden Goat posted:God who cares what Polygon wrote drat i can't wait for this loving game!!!!
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Oh I didn't know smirk was removed. I never really liked smirk as a mechanic so good. Pretty much all the previews are saying that the negotiation system is still as random as ever which you know what good, it'll make for some dumb stories.
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Golden Goat posted:Oh I didn't know smirk was removed. I never really liked smirk as a mechanic so good. 4 was less harsh than 3 even if still random. I feel like you can be random without being overly harsh Agreed on smirk, press turn was enough advantage a smirk turned it into an immediate battle ender
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