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How can you have a law making it illegal to broadcast media depictions of gay relationships in a positive light, but also have your government-run ratings board decide that a movie depicting a gay relationship in a positive light is allowed to play, but it gets an automatic 18+ rating?
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Oct 24, 2021 20:28
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:How can you have a law making it illegal to broadcast media depictions of gay relationships in a positive light, but also have your government-run ratings board decide that a movie depicting a gay relationship in a positive light is allowed to play, but it gets an automatic 18+ rating? Because the fig leaf of that law is "corrupting children is bad" so presumably slapping 18+ prevents children from learning horrible unchristian things. Any school teacher who ever mentions they are gay is going to be blacklisted for life on a report from a concerned citizen but gay people are free (until further notice) to discuss gay stuff in stictly 18+ marked spaces that pure children eyes can never ever see. Maybe that excuse saves the state from even more human rights abuse accusations than there are or maybe its just another ~genius~ gotcha that our lawmakers love to be smug about. Even the Emma Watson Beauty and the Beast got 16+ rating and it seems that its easier for Disney to slap that than spend resources on making special edition - it doesnt really affect ads or number of showings in cinemas.
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Oct 24, 2021 20:45
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Yes China, noted bastion of Christianity.
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Oct 24, 2021 22:01
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AlternateAccount posted:Yes China, noted bastion of Christianity. I am talking about Russia, China mostly just extorts money before signing approval and in case of Eternals they dont like Chloe Zhao so its not getting a release there anyway
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Oct 24, 2021 22:21
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https://twitter.com/Pollos_Hernandy/status/1452355182638125073?t=-0VI975Jsit5PZDpms869w&s=19 Lol
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Oct 25, 2021 12:20
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https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20211024-three-stars-for-chlo-zhaos-disappointing-eternals I get the feeling the mad Marvel fans aren't going to love the reviews this movie gets
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Oct 25, 2021 14:36
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Gay relationships in American movies are censored because of Americans. Russians and Chinese do not care about it to this degree, if they did, it wouldn't matter because they could just cut the scene and release the literal children's movie as-is. It's fraught and contentious because of Americans.
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Oct 25, 2021 19:01
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Gay relationships in American movies are censored because of Americans. Russians and Chinese do not care about it to this degree, if they did, it wouldn't matter because they could just cut the scene and release the literal children's movie as-is. It's fraught and contentious because of Americans. empty quote
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Oct 25, 2021 19:14
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Gay relationships in American movies are censored because of Americans. Russians and Chinese do not care about it to this degree, if they did, it wouldn't matter because they could just cut the scene and release the literal children's movie as-is. It's fraught and contentious because of Americans. The original thing they were talking about was the Russian law preventing media from showing "a positive depiction of homosexual relationships or lifestyles." They side-stepped it by giving Eternals an 18+ rating there.
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Oct 25, 2021 19:21
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Gay relationships in American movies are censored because of Americans. Russians and Chinese do not care about it to this degree, if they did, it wouldn't matter because they could just cut the scene and release the literal children's movie as-is. It's fraught and contentious because of Americans. 
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Oct 25, 2021 19:24
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The original thing they were talking about was the Russian law preventing media from showing "a positive depiction of homosexual relationships or lifestyles." Exactly. It's hosed up but it changes very little about their plans, that's just the four quad appeal, there's so little to file down in the first place.
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Oct 25, 2021 19:33
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Gay relationships in American movies are censored because of Americans. Russians and Chinese do not care about it to this degree, if they did, it wouldn't matter because they could just cut the scene and release the literal children's movie as-is. It's fraught and contentious because of Americans. Is it that contentious? 70% of Americans approve of Gay marriage, including 55% of Republicans. https://news.gallup.com/poll/350486/record-high-support-same-sex-marriage.aspx
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Oct 26, 2021 02:23
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Charlz Guybon posted:Is it that contentious? 70% of Americans approve of Gay marriage, including 55% of Republicans. The American people are by and large not who is generally meant when 'Americans' is used like that. As is true of most generalizations in that vein. I doubt every Russian man, woman and It's just easier to make note of what's true. American politics and America bullshit are why this is being done.
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Oct 26, 2021 02:48
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Charlz Guybon posted:Is it that contentious? 70% of Americans approve of Gay marriage, including 55% of Republicans. Supporting gay marriage as a legal right and wanting to watch movies with gay romances aren’t the same thing.
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Oct 26, 2021 06:08
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If you look at the most contested/banned books in America throughout recent years, with the exception of 2020 like 90% of the yearly lists tend to be books with LGBT characters in them.
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Oct 26, 2021 12:03
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https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1452712576672952322
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Oct 26, 2021 12:43
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Charlz Guybon posted:Is it that contentious? 70% of Americans approve of Gay marriage, including 55% of Republicans. Dude, Obama didn't even support gay marriage until like 2011. What do you think the captains of industry are like? These people are completely amoral and use whatever polling and data they can to justify their own personal whims.
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Oct 26, 2021 13:35
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Dude, Obama didn't even support gay marriage until like 2011. What do you think the captains of industry are like? These people are completely amoral and use whatever polling and data they can to justify their own personal whims. There's also been a tendency that seems* to be on the rise of catering to the more extreme demographics. E.g. maybe 55% of republicans support gay marriage but that doesn't mean that 55% is getting actively pissed at the lack of gay storylines in movies, but the remaining 45% will absolutely not see movies if they have that content, so it's ultimately more profitable overall to keep it out entirely. *I'm thinking of stuff like the rise of the Tea Party and Trumpism and how even "reasonable" Republicans will pander to the nutjobs because they've realized the moderates will still vote for them in the long run. I'm probably historically very wrong on this trend and it's always been there to some extent.
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Oct 26, 2021 15:25
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Guy A. Person posted:There's also been a tendency that seems* to be on the rise of catering to the more extreme demographics. E.g. maybe 55% of republicans support gay marriage but that doesn't mean that 55% is getting actively pissed at the lack of gay storylines in movies, but the remaining 45% will absolutely not see movies if they have that content, so it's ultimately more profitable overall to keep it out entirely. A good example of the point you are trying to make is gun law in the U.S. Somewhere between 65-80% of Americans support some kind of gun control or universal background checks. But, almost nobody in the pro-gun control group votes entirely based on the gun control issue. The 20-35% of people in the anti-gun control group do vote solely based on that issue. Overall public opinion is in favor of it, but the only people really invested in it are the minority and most of the majority might feel that way, but they don't really feel passionately about it.
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Oct 26, 2021 15:40
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Also the US is not a democracy in any way, shape or form.
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Oct 26, 2021 15:42
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Charlz Guybon posted:Is it that contentious? 70% of Americans approve of Gay marriage, including 55% of Republicans. Besides what others have said, 70% is pretty loving dire.
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Oct 26, 2021 17:54
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Besides what others have said, 70% is pretty loving dire. To put this in perspective, according to Gallup about 70% of America approved of interracial marriage...in 2003. (it's now 94%, thankfully)
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Oct 26, 2021 18:30
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Gunn: Accomplice or useful idiot? https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1453154193854849024?t=WO0C1zg_XPpzWxMvmX4OFg&s=19
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Oct 27, 2021 04:06
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McCloud posted:Gunn: Accomplice or useful idiot? It seems like he's going for a "technically correct." I doubt his Guardians movies needed to be Pentagon approved since they mostly take place in space and have no US military presence.
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Oct 27, 2021 05:00
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McCloud posted:Gunn: Accomplice or useful idiot? Wait, one of the eternals assumes responsibility for Hiroshima? The gently caress? EDIT: Oh it’s the inventor one. Ok I can see the chain of logic that would get you there RatHat fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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Oct 27, 2021 05:07
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RatHat posted:Wait, one of the eternals assumes responsibility for Hiroshima? The gently caress? Technically, each one assumes responsibility for all the tragedies of the region they're in, because they don't interfere in tragedies caused by humanity. One of them does interfere to help in ancient Mesopotamia and gets shunned for breaking daddy Celestial's rules. Another one secretly guides humanity's technological advances (which includes nuclear fusion).
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Oct 27, 2021 05:10
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Technically, each one assumes responsibility for all the tragedies of the region they're in, because they don't interfere in tragedies caused by humanity. Another one left a box of scraps in a cave That one really hosed things up
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Oct 27, 2021 05:39
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The Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead of Marvel movies/ human history.
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Oct 27, 2021 05:46
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Imagine making a movie about a bunch of godlike beings who have existed throughout human history and your selling point is "these assholes didn't lift a finger to stop the holocaust or hiroshima, of course they didn't stop thanos from killing half the universe" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyIpijrLlcM&t=43s
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Oct 27, 2021 06:14
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The United States posted:Imagine making a movie about a bunch of godlike beings who have existed throughout human history and your selling point is "these assholes didn't lift a finger to stop the holocaust or hiroshima, of course they didn't stop thanos from killing half the universe" The selling point would be great if you made them villains for Dr. Strange and Wanda to fight.
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Oct 27, 2021 06:16
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Charlz Guybon posted:The selling point would be great if you made them villains for St. Augustine and Leibniz to fight. Fixed.
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Oct 27, 2021 06:22
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The closest the comics have come to making sense of that whole thing without the characters becoming inherently despicable is to have them incapable of rebelling against the Celestial orders driving their actions, like the existential horror of Rick's butter-passing robot writ large. But that would require a movie that's moody and thoughtful instead of fast and quippy, so that won't happen in the MCU.
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Oct 27, 2021 07:02
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Detective No. 27 posted:It seems like he's going for a "technically correct." I doubt his Guardians movies needed to be Pentagon approved since they mostly take place in space and have no US military presence. lmao: https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1453204605861568513?s=20
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Oct 27, 2021 08:03
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Suspicious denial from the guy that made a movie about evil communists in Latin America wanting to rule the world
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Oct 27, 2021 08:23
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more like james dum(b) Edit: https://twitter.com/thejoshl/status/1453203264334336000?t=IHJOiQTbTjR3ym8X09DFfQ&s=09 Tankbuster fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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Oct 27, 2021 08:23
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Roth posted:Suspicious denial from the guy that made a movie about evil communists in Latin America wanting to rule the world It's really a dumb position as the process isn't in any way secret. There were news stories in 2012 about the Pentagon revoking their approval from The Avengers because they didn't like the US Military being shown as subordinate to SHIELD. There's attributed quotes from the people that review the scripts and everything. I mean, here's a quote from USO Magazine (!) about the Pentagon rep interfering in the filming of Iron Man quote:"One particular disagreement during the filming of an “Iron Man” movie stands out. Necrothatcher fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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Oct 27, 2021 09:26
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Avengers 1 actually explicitly did not get approval because the us military did not like the shadow government element or what the chain of command was supposed to be
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Oct 27, 2021 12:10
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Avengers 1 actually explicitly did not get approval because the us military did not like the shadow government element or what the chain of command was supposed to be The US military was right on that one. gently caress Joss Whedon all over again for making me say that.
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Oct 27, 2021 12:26
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I do think the DOD stuff is overstated because all movies of that genre do that anyway, and I think how effective the military is able to recruit based off that is overstated since I doubt the thing that really closes someone to joining the military is what action movie they were watching that had a military PR campaign attached to it. Like it's at most an accessory whereas the thing that really gets people to join the military is the promise of education and money.
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achillesforever6 posted:I do think the DOD stuff is overstated because all movies of that genre do that anyway, and I think how effective the military is able to recruit based off that is overstated since I doubt the thing that really closes someone to joining the military is what action movie they were watching that had a military PR campaign attached to it. Like it's at most an accessory whereas the thing that really gets people to join the military is the promise of education and money. It's not really a recruitment campaign, it's a propaganda exercise intended to normalize the military-industrial complex.
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