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I like Colossus I just don’t know what the gently caress they’re doing with the Mikhail poo poo. Is there supposed to be some time gap between X-Force and Inferno?
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I dig reading this thread, even though I haven't read a single issue of this era, and I'm still in the middle of the Claremont run. I've got the HoX/PoX trade on the shelf, to be read sometime. It is kooky that that Hickman part of things is ending before I even crack it open, but that's the backlog life. Also, feels like half the tie-ins and whatnot I'd have no idea what I can skip or what to include if not keeping up. So the takes in here are both educational as well as inspirational, yes indeed. I have a stack of Saga trades, gotta get going on that too.
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Oct 29, 2021 03:59
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Sandwolf posted:I like Colossus I just don’t know what the gently caress they’re doing with the Mikhail poo poo. Is there supposed to be some time gap between X-Force and Inferno? there isn't a time gap at all. when xavier showed up in x-force it seemed like the jig was up and colossus had been caught in the act. but xavier doesn't actually suspect a thing and was there to invite colossus to the council.
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Oct 29, 2021 08:47
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I remember learning colossus' first costume had blue stark tech legs that became transparent when he transformed, because someone thought it was too weird to have his bare legs exposed in human form.
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Oct 29, 2021 14:24
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poo poo, do I actually have to go back and read X-Force for important Inferno-relevant plot points? It really wasn't doing anything for me so I stopped reading it after the events of the Gala.
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Oct 29, 2021 19:16
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:there isn't a time gap at all. when xavier showed up in x-force it seemed like the jig was up and colossus had been caught in the act. but xavier doesn't actually suspect a thing and was there to invite colossus to the council. Alright here’s a thing then: how did Mr. “I’m constantly backing up everyone’s quintessence in case they die” miss the fact that Colossus just did a murder he didn’t even want to do
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Oct 29, 2021 19:42
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Heavy Metal posted:I dig reading this thread, even though I haven't read a single issue of this era, and I'm still in the middle of the Claremont run. I've got the HoX/PoX trade on the shelf, to be read sometime. It is kooky that that Hickman part of things is ending before I even crack it open, but that's the backlog life. The event tie ins of this run have been mostly good and seem like they have stuff that might be important later.
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Oct 29, 2021 20:32
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Sandwolf posted:Alright here’s a thing then: how did Mr. “I’m constantly backing up everyone’s quintessence in case they die” miss the fact that Colossus just did a murder he didn’t even want to do Xavier isn't, like, reviewing every mind copy that Cerebro makes.
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Sandwolf posted:Alright here’s a thing then: how did Mr. “I’m constantly backing up everyone’s quintessence in case they die” miss the fact that Colossus just did a murder he didn’t even want to do because it is a novel form of mind control that bypasses telepathy somehow. otherwise the telepathic scan beast subjected colossus to early in x-force would have caught it.
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Oct 29, 2021 21:35
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Glad we wasted one of Hickman’s remaining issues on this vote.
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^burtle posted:Glad we wasted one of Hickman’s remaining issues on this vote. do... do you think Hickman turned in an action-filled script and they told him they wanted a vote issue instead? Like... this is what Hickman wanted to write, he's always had some... interesting views on pacing
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Oct 30, 2021 01:14
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His original vision was for this issue to be all prose. Editorial actually spiced it up if anything.
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Oct 30, 2021 01:53
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Yeah, this was just an issue all about political maneuvering and showing how Destiny was brought back. It wasn't as packed as the first one, but he's clearly getting all the pieces in place and we know it'll be soon where everything comes to a head.
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Oct 30, 2021 03:42
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Hickman word dumping is his action. Like the insane page of doom vs reed where it’s just to portraits cross checked while they yell at each other. political fuckery is his bread and butter.
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Oct 30, 2021 03:51
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personally I'm glad we got a lot of "this is really destiny" brought back because I didn't want the end of inferno 1 to be a fake out, and also people who react angry make mistakes, which means the Colossus appointment is gonna gently caress moira over
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Oct 30, 2021 04:08
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With us being halfway through Inferno, I'm starting to wonder what resolution we will get from this. Because Krakoa isn't going anywhere, the Quiet Council changes are probably going to last a bit beyond Inferno (Colossus especially), Orchis isn't going to be wiped out without any build up. I originally thought that Hickman was going to use this series to wrap up Moira's storyline, but we've seen so terribly little of her in this that if that were the case it would be terrible disappointing. I still really like this so far, all the intrigue that's going on works really well for me....but on the other hand most of what has happened so really should have happened in Hickman's X-Men run. Because of all the filler I feel it's easily the worst of his Marvel runs.
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I think Xavier’s going to lose control and Moira being exposed/revealed to everyone else could shake the foundation of Krakoa (oh hey this cool island paradise idea is just the 10th attempt at this one mutant trying to not gently caress up and we’re already up to the Nimrod part) but I think ultimately most of the mutants will go “well poo poo this is still as good as we’ve had it and we still have resurrection AND our own loving planet so let’s play it out” I can also see Apocalypse returning and the X-men (Scott/Jean) taking a more active approach to participating in Krakoa affairs while maintaining their hero team. Magneto can probably get a bye but Xavier and Moira are at the heart of this and playing everyone else since day 1 so if anyone is going to lose it’s them.
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Oct 30, 2021 04:42
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What I understood as happening was that Hickman was going to find a way to put his stuff on pause to let people keep playing in the Krakoa sandbox for a few years and then he was going to come back and finish it at some vague future point but maybe I misunderstood.
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Oct 30, 2021 06:13
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He's said that he's handed over all his notes to the other X-Men writers and it'll be up to them. I don't think we'll see any change to this for a while, since the X-Men books are all more popular than they have been in a while. And better quality all around.
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Rick posted:What I understood as happening was that Hickman was going to find a way to put his stuff on pause to let people keep playing in the Krakoa sandbox for a few years and then he was going to come back and finish it at some vague future point but maybe I misunderstood. It's been very confusing and probably intentionally vague what exactly any of it means, but the points they keep referring back to are like. The initial plan had changed and much of what had already happened wasn't planned and many things were falsely attributed to him, Inferno is still at least partially the story he wanted to tell, and the team have all of the information for what he intended and are free to incorporate it and he'll still be in touch in an advisory capacity. The next year or so is also planned out in a fair amount of detail by the team, and he mostly just seemed happy to have built something. In one of those recent podcast interviews he was really harping on his lesson learned being like, "well actually you don't have to blow it all up."
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Oct 30, 2021 08:58
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This is just me theorizing, no actual proof or anything, but I think the COVID pause in publishing had a lot of the other X writers thinking, "well what if we did this?" and they're all talking to each other. So plans changed.
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the official line from hickman is that he built the sand castle and had plans for how to kick it over. however, everyone loved the sand castle so its inevitable destruction has been delayed indefinitely. sooner or later some boring rear end in a top hat is going to send the x-men back to westchester, but for now krakoa isn't going anywhere.
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Oct 30, 2021 12:23
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I hope Krakoa lasts long enough that we get to see what Emplate is up to. As that weirdo's (probably only) fan, I'm still curious how he's getting on.
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There was a note about how he and Selene were both kind of monitoring Krakoa since they all kind of eat mutants to survive. I just assume that they're getting fed soulless and brainless mutant husks.
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It'd be a good opportunity to give him a (temporary) face turn. He's not significantly more harmful to other mutants than Rogue and his backstory is equally tragic. Rogue put her teenage boyfriend in a permanent coma when her powers manifested, while as a child Marius was forced to live with Monet. Kidding aside, Gen-X had a thing about fighting Vampires (I think they fought at least 4 distinct vampires, including Dracula and I'm counting D'Spayre), and Marius was basically Morbius from the 1990s Spider Man cartoon (which would have been contemporary at the time). When Marius's mutant vampirism manifested he lost control, fed on his mother and killed her, which means there's a strong possibility she was a mutant. Pretty much everything else Marius did after that was borne out of self-loathing and guilt. He's not a psychopath, he's an extremely emotional forced predator who has to eat people to live and goes out of his way to find targets that can either survive him or who are capable of fighting him off. If his mother had a Cerebro backup (and she probably should, Marius and Monet aren't that old and Marius's powers manifested pretty late) and they found a way to either feed him reliably or fix the (I'm pretty sure this is canon?) damage to his mutant genome that forces him to feed (say, by killing and resurrecting him?) someone could get a lot of mileage out of walking back his sociopathy and letting him make some friends. Which could then be used to spur further events / give him another heel turn later. Emplate and all of his hangups and shattering all the little lies he's forced to tell himself to convince himself he doesn't feel guilty for anything he's done (he totally does) is a thousand times more interesting than Monet, But In a Business Suit This Time. Make Emplate a member of the X-Men (or one of their morally-gray sub-teams) and let him work with his nephew, Bishop.  Edit: Because Bishop hates him and that's always a fun dynamic! PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Nov 1, 2021 |
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emplate's power went out of control which sent him to the negaverse and then he spent years feeding off of penance. the combination of those things is how he ended up a spikey tube monster. it's possible that if he voluntarily underwent resurrection he could escape most of the horrible aspects of his existence. also, he didn't just live with monet. he also lived with the twins, who could combine to form a second monet.
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I was reading most of the line up to the end of XoS but thanks to the last lockdown I fell behind on my X-reading. Went to the store recently and picked up a giant stack of issues that had been accumulating from my pull list. I could use some help catching up. Not so much in terms of plot etc, but some idea of what new books are worth reading (anything post XoS except for SWORD, which I have), what events to look out for, that kind of thing.
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Nov 3, 2021 03:41
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Don’t miss Planet Size X-Men
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I was reading most of the line up to the end of XoS but thanks to the last lockdown I fell behind on my X-reading. Went to the store recently and picked up a giant stack of issues that had been accumulating from my pull list. Skip Children of the Atom.
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Cloks posted:Skip Children of the Atom. And X-Corp
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X-Corp is pretty skippable, but I do suggest reading all the Hellfire Gala books just because. The Empyre: X-Men mini was fun. That was after XoS, right?
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Open Marriage Night posted:X-Corp is pretty skippable, but I do suggest reading all the Hellfire Gala books just because. The Empyre: X-Men mini was fun. That was after XoS, right? Just before. I read the tie-ins issues in the main X-Men title (hated the Vulcan one, loved the Magneto one) but didn't read the mini. Hellfire Gala was something I heard about, I think there's a collection coming out very soon? Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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December 7th unfortunately, but it all should be on Marvel Unlimited. Started reading X-Force/X-Statix the last couple days, and drat is it good. Great binge book.
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Nov 3, 2021 06:01
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How is/was Way of X?
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Doctor Spaceman posted:How is/was Way of X? It's decent.
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Nov 3, 2021 10:38
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the Vulcan thing. You would think that would be a bigger deal.
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Skwirl posted:It's decent. The first two issues set up a lot of big things that it was hard to pay off, then its last issue got cut off and sold as a standalone event issue?
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Gologle posted:Oh yeah, I forgot about the Vulcan thing. You would think that would be a bigger deal. No one but Vulcan knows about it yet. Hoping it's a good arc when that ticking time bomb goes off.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:How is/was Way of X? Pretty good. It’s a Nightcrawler and Legion book, so it had a lot going for it right out of the gate. Not everything lands, but it’s definitely still worth a read, especially if you’re invested in the Krakoa era.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:How is/was Way of X? Good series overall, but the third issue got some justified criticism. I feel like it found it's footing again soon after though. Should be a sequel series coming in the near future.
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