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Nov 3, 2021 07:19
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How exactly do the Fremen bribe the Guild with spice? They don’t have the fancy shmancy carryalls and giant mobile mining rigs. They can’t possibly just be grabbing handfuls of sand and waving them in front of navigators can they?
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Nov 3, 2021 11:19
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heeeeere Navi Navi Navi that's right, who wants their melange, who wants to go fold space, yeah you're such a good Navi and you keep all those satellites waaay away now
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Nov 3, 2021 11:27
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galagazombie posted:How exactly do the Fremen bribe the Guild with spice? They don’t have the fancy shmancy carryalls and giant mobile mining rigs. They can’t possibly just be grabbing handfuls of sand and waving them in front of navigators can they? Vacuum cleaners.
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Nov 3, 2021 11:30
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They just stand there on a street corner while the navigator pulls up in his heighliner and awkwardly stammers, "You're not a sardaukar, right? Because the law says you totally have to tell me if you are" Fremen: "Nah we're cool you want to party or not?"
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Nov 3, 2021 12:43
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galagazombie posted:How exactly do the Fremen bribe the Guild with spice? They don’t have the fancy shmancy carryalls and giant mobile mining rigs. They can’t possibly just be grabbing handfuls of sand and waving them in front of navigators can they? Fremen can destroy it
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Nov 3, 2021 12:47
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euphronius posted:Fremen can destroy it That's what Paul threatens, the Fremen collected spice and sold it.
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Nov 3, 2021 12:58
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why didn't jessica use her magic pussy to pop out a girl too to be married to harkonnens? she had years to do it
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Nov 3, 2021 13:08
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MrL_JaKiri posted:That's what Paul threatens, the Fremen collected spice and sold it. The obvious inference is that was their implied leverage with the guild
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Nov 3, 2021 13:09
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Why else would the guild (and I think Choam) go along with the charade
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Nov 3, 2021 13:10
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The guild just wants to laze about in enormous tanks of spice, they don't care too much about where it comes from. The Dune setting is 'what if to make planes fly you had to strap a heroin addict into the cockpit and juice them up?'
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Nov 3, 2021 13:16
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DV’s obsession with people seeing this theaters was strange . It was fine on a tv. I guess he gets less money with less box office idk
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Nov 3, 2021 13:29
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Paul threatens the spice to get the guild to sit up and listen, the fremen used to just pay them off. With (I think it's only implied) way more spice than official predictions consider possible due to their free reign of literally half the loving planet. They do have harvesters and processing facilities, so do the smugglers, it's not like it's forbidden technology. The Guild is a parasite, latter books even come right out and say it explicitly. They don't care where their fix is coming from, and specially don't really give a poo poo to petty house bullshit unless it interferes with their supply. They connive and scheme and all that good plans within plans stuff but never take the reigns themselves, which is ultimately what fucks them over.
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Nov 3, 2021 13:30
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euphronius posted:The obvious inference is that was their implied leverage with the guild No it isn't, the guild clearly hadn't considered it before Paul threatened it. quote:"The Guild doesn't take your orders!" the taller of the two barked. He and his companion pushed through to the barrier lances, which were raised at a nod from Paul. The two men stepped out and the taller leveled an arm at Paul, said: "You may very well be under embargo for your --" euphronius posted:Why else would the guild (and I think Choam) go along with the charade Explicitly because the Fremen bribe them with lots of spice! quote:"We know our needs. But not many are thinking deep thoughts now this close to home. We've been out overlong arranging to deliver our spice quota to the free traders for the cursed Guild . . . may their faces be forever black."
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Nov 3, 2021 13:31
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euphronius posted:DV’s obsession with people seeing this theaters was strange . It was fine on a tv. I guess he gets less money with less box office idk It was fine on a TV, with surround sound. It was exquisite on IMAX, even if I was rendered deaf due to the bone-shattering volume.
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That quote doesn’t support your idea that “they never considered it”
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euphronius posted:DV’s obsession with people seeing this theaters was strange . It was fine on a tv. I guess he gets less money with less box office idk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKiIroiCvZ0 except it also applies to TV's at home
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Nov 3, 2021 13:33
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euphronius posted:That quote doesn’t support your idea that “they never considered it” The staring into space was them looking into the future to see if it was possible. quote:"They have a narrow vision of time," Paul said. "They can see ahead to a blank wall marking the consequences of disobedience. Every Guild navigator on every ship over us can look ahead to that same wall. They'll obey." Also again the text specifically says that the guild are bribed with spice by the Fremen.
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Nov 3, 2021 13:34
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So in the book the revelation that the Guild is getting enormous amounts of spice secretly from the Fremen is a clue that they use the spice to do their thing. e: I actually like the Lynch interpretation of the story where the Guild realise that Paul is a blank wall in the future at a much earlier point (although they don't understand why until it's much too late).
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Nov 3, 2021 13:41
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euphronius posted:DV’s obsession with people seeing this theaters was strange . It was fine on a tv. I guess he gets less money with less box office idk
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Nov 3, 2021 14:42
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Legendary Pictures, the company that made the movie, doesn't make as much money if people watch it on HBO Max - all of that goes to Warner Bros. as they're the owner of HBO Max in addition to being the distributor. Yeah that’s what I’m saying And Warner (ATT) just used it to boost hbo maxs profile in a “synergy” thing
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Nov 3, 2021 14:45
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I am sure that watching at home is a fine experience. Insisting that watching it at home is not much different than at IMAX is incredibly embarrassing and stupid. You are simply trying to convince yourself that you aren't missing out. You are, but that's fine.
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Nov 3, 2021 14:50
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I loved it at home because I could pause it to go pee and drink lots of alcohol. The experience in the theatre (Dolby Digital) was super great and fantastic but it was too dark in a few scenes and the dialogue was much more difficult to understand weirdly. Bring back intermissions in theatres!!!!
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Nov 3, 2021 15:05
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I have seen it twice at IMAX Laser showings in Tokyo, and there were no problems with darkness or the sound. In fact the incredible sound was the main point for me. I am beginning to suspect that there is something wrong with American theaters, which would not surprise me.
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Nov 3, 2021 15:11
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Koirhor posted:Love that the Baron is the super literal doctor from Arrested Development 
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Gabriel Grub posted:I have seen it twice at IMAX Laser showings in Tokyo, and there were no problems with darkness or the sound. In fact the incredible sound was the main point for me. Could be all of the diabetes in America affecting eyesight as well
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Nov 3, 2021 15:57
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Why is spice so valuable? It's jsut the navigators who need it, right? How much do they need to actually travel? Or is it used by and for non navigating stuff as well Saw Dune again last night, this time in a theatre. The first time was just at home on my laptop. It is conservatively 5x better with the bass rumbling , ear splitting soundtrack and sound effects. Lots of really good noises in the this movie
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Nov 3, 2021 16:07
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It lets you live for a long time
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Nov 3, 2021 16:08
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It doubles your lifespan, makes you feel good, tastes really nice, makes certain people trip the gently caress out (guild navigators, Bene Gesserit), and is highly addictive.
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Nov 3, 2021 16:12
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MNIMWA posted:Why is spice so valuable? It's jsut the navigators who need it, right? How much do they need to actually travel? Or is it used by and for non navigating stuff as well Navigators spend their time saturated in the stuff. this isn't stated outright but i think the implication is that the navigators' visors were misted over with orange because their helmets were filled with spice gas.
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Nov 3, 2021 16:17
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It's good poo poo, man.
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Nov 3, 2021 16:21
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MNIMWA posted:Why is spice so valuable? It's jsut the navigators who need it, right? How much do they need to actually travel? Or is it used by and for non navigating stuff as well the Bene Gesserit also use it, it is the source of some of the abilities and is used in some of their rituals
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Do the Bene Gesserit use the Water of Life? Jessica seemed familiar with it during the Reverend Mother transformation, but it seems weird that the BG are smuggling baby worms off-planet to drown them and get real high off their death-juice. Is there a way to manually distill spice?
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They drink it to become reverend mother and get the memories of their female ancestors
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Vampire Panties posted:Do the Bene Gesserit use the Water of Life? Jessica seemed familiar with it during the Reverend Mother transformation, but it seems weird that the BG are smuggling baby worms off-planet to drown them and get real high off their death-juice. Is there a way to manually distill spice? In Dune they very explicitly don’t use the water of life, they have some other poison (or variety of them) called “the truthsayer drug”. But by the time of Messiah this has changed and without spice the BGs will apparently lose their truth sense.
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Nov 3, 2021 16:52
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"Spice liquor" seems to refer to refined melange. It's what the Navigators talk about, and what the BG use. I think the implication in Dune is that they used non-spice drugs in the past, but truth-sayer drug is mostly spice these days.
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Nov 3, 2021 17:06
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so did they mention in the movie spice is addictive and withdrawl kills you?
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Nov 3, 2021 17:09
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Spice liquor is a drink, probably with more alcohol than spice beer. I can't remember in which book it's mentioned, but there's at least one paragraph talking about how there are other soothsaying drugs, but that once Water of Life has been used, nothing else works. The navigators use of melange isn't really discussed in length, just that they use great quantities of it and breathe it. I've always assumed it went through some kind of refining process to make it possible to breathe as a gas, and that it's that process that requires so much melange.
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quote:“Guild navigators, both of you, eh?” quote:“Even your Bene Gesserit Truthsayer is trembling,” Paul said. “There are other poisons the Reverend Mothers can use for their tricks, but once they’ve used the spice liquor, the others no longer work.” Having an ebook on hand is useful for discussing minutiae. Also I reread Dune last week.
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