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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Gold Experience sucks. Counterpoint https://twitter.com/weedventoaureo/status/737868911908118530
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Hamon was good and Joseph is the best jojo
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Nov 11, 2021 17:17
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Not sure this is a counterpoint so much as it's "I love how much Gold Experience sucks".
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Nov 11, 2021 17:37
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Arist posted:Jotaro was only interesting in a couple standout arcs in Part 3 for me like D'Arby the Gambler, but Part 4 retroactively made him interesting. He's probably still wondering why Josuke grabbed his pen.
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Nov 11, 2021 17:40
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Gold Experience is essentially the return of and development on the life-creating properties of ripple and vampirism
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Nov 11, 2021 17:58
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Arist posted:Jotaro was only interesting in a couple standout arcs in Part 3 for me like D'Arby the Gambler, but Part 4 retroactively made him interesting. I really like how through mentoring Josuke we see Jotaro really was doing that tryhard poo poo talking as a psychological tactic, as you say it makes alot of stuff like the DIO's World arc retrospectively even cooler
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Nov 11, 2021 18:08
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FirstAidKite posted:Gold Experience is essentially the return of and development on the life-creating properties of ripple and vampirism ah, so that's why it was boring and unfocused
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Nov 11, 2021 18:15
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There are a lot of fights were Jotaro is interesting. The Enya fight (when he troll her pretending of not knowing she is the stand user), the Steely Dan fight, the Sun, Anubis, the D'Arby brothers fights, Dio...
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Nov 11, 2021 19:37
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D'Arby brothers is so good from a fight perspective and it relies entirely on Jotaro to pull it off.
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Nov 11, 2021 20:03
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Jotaro floating around in the sea during the high priestess fight, keeping to himself his silent awe, using star platinum to just look at the poo poo outta some stuff
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Nov 11, 2021 23:41
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Liiiight spoiler but Hamon comes back in another form in later parts and it's awesome and is used in conjunction with Stands.
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Nov 12, 2021 00:09
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Kwyndig posted:D'Arby brothers is so good from a fight perspective and it relies entirely on Jotaro to pull it off. it's alright. really feel like it was an opportunity for joseph to shine that was missed in the first fight though.
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Nov 12, 2021 03:21
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But this is precisely what makes Part 5 so great. It's not great in spite of all the dumb rear end-pull bullshit, it's great BECAUSE of all the dumb rear end-pull bullshit.
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Nov 12, 2021 03:26
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Lady Radia posted:it's alright. really feel like it was an opportunity for joseph to shine that was missed in the first fight though. Somebody had to lose in a real way to establish how good D'arby is before Jotaro took him on, and beating Avdol in a cheating game wouldn't be very impressive. Imo the second D'arby fight makes up for it.
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Nov 12, 2021 03:33
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Shame Kakyoin had to choke in the second round, though. And right after he rejoined the party.
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Nov 12, 2021 04:02
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Gold Experience is the best stand in the series
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Nov 12, 2021 06:48
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Gold Experience is a cool stand but it keeps having its powers reinvented and Giorno isn't a very good protagonist. The good news is that he's actually a supporting character.
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Nov 12, 2021 06:52
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Giorno would be a better protagonist if it spent more time on his connections to Dio and related characterization, but alas the plot kicked into gear immediately.
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Nov 12, 2021 06:54
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1) Sticky Fingers, Spice Girl, and Sex Pistols were my favourite stands in Part 5 and they should have starred in every fight. 2) Giorno embraces his vampiric heritage because being an immortal creature of the night who eats people is probably seen as a plus if you're in the Mafia, however he is now an Italian who can't eat garlic.
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Nov 12, 2021 07:08
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Part 5 is probably a bit too fast paced plotwise. Everything happens over 5 days or so.
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Nov 12, 2021 07:48
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Shame that Spice Girl got a grand total of one fight, especially considering all of the weird poo poo that Araki could have done with “rubberize anything”. Or that Trish didn’t get an “I’m tired of you guys infantilizing me while you put your lives on the line for my sake” moment where she truly becomes a full-time member of Team Bucciratti, instead of a living macguffin.
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Nov 12, 2021 09:07
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YggiDee posted:1) Sticky Fingers, Spice Girl, and Sex Pistols were my favourite stands in Part 5 and they should have starred in every fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKGs20VchQs I will never get tired of this clip, and the entire fight leading up to it rules too
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Nov 12, 2021 09:07
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Part 5's ending is probably the weakest ark in all of JoJo. It feels like someone trying to copy the style and failing completely, which sours me on the whole part. It's a final fight where the group slowly walks, without explaining much about the goal. It's also the part where the villain gets there first without explaining how. Like, honestly, how hard would it be to drop the sniffing souls bullshit and write "a shadow that fucks with your vision so that no one can see where it is" in a manner that isn't loving awful? I can forgive any sort of asspull as long as it's entertaining, but that ark has not only so many of them that you get lost, but also barely explains them and somehow manages to have the slowest pacing.
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Nov 12, 2021 10:32
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Yeah I love Part 5 but the entire final battle is awful with the sole exception of gold experience requiem being funny
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Nov 12, 2021 11:09
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Regalingualius posted:Shame that Spice Girl got a grand total of one fight, especially considering all of the weird poo poo that Araki could have done with “rubberize anything”. Or that Trish didn’t get an “I’m tired of you guys infantilizing me while you put your lives on the line for my sake” moment where she truly becomes a full-time member of Team Bucciratti, instead of a living macguffin. Trish is just Holly Kujo 2.0.
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Nov 12, 2021 14:06
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RevolverDivider posted:Yeah I love Part 5 but the entire final battle is awful with the sole exception of gold experience requiem being funny part 5 ending Here's Polnareff! He's been hiding in Italy and has been unable to access the internet to talk to anyone useful...because Diavolo is the head of the loving Illuminati? And now his stand has gone from being Silver Chariot to something with 3 pages of rules text. Why?  But we're doing a bodyswap scene! We're also turning regular humans into horrible monstrosities, somehow. Also, killing Bruno halfway through the season and then having him be alive anyway because gently caress yeah Bruno is really weird. Bruno is my favorite non-JoJo character from part 1-5 but it really is having your pathos cake and eating it too. I don't hate it but it's weird and disjointed. Also, I'm sure someone's already pointed this out but Stalin could qualify as a JoJo with his original name. Brandfarlig fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Nov 12, 2021 |
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Nov 12, 2021 15:14
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Vento Aureo feels like an attempt at redoing Stardust Crusaders, but I found myself caring about the cast of Part 5 a lot less than Part 3's for some reason, despite the fact that I know Part 3's cast are basically just cardboard cutouts.
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Nov 12, 2021 15:27
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Brandfarlig posted:part 5 ending Here's Polnareff! He's been hiding in Italy and has been unable to access the internet to talk to anyone useful...because Diavolo is the head of the loving Illuminati? And now his stand has gone from being Silver Chariot to something with 3 pages of rules text. Why? The best part is that him being in the story at all was because Araki changed his mind, it was originally just going to be some guy
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Nov 12, 2021 15:29
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Vento Aureo feels like an attempt at redoing Stardust Crusaders, but I found myself caring about the cast of Part 5 a lot less than Part 3's for some reason, despite the fact that I know Part 3's cast are basically just cardboard cutouts. I mostly agree with this. I am unreasonably fond of the part 3 crew even if they're done better afterwards. In part 5 I'm kind of just waiting for people to start dying because I know it's happening. Yeah it sucks that Narancia was essentially a child soldier and died very young...but so did Kakyoin, minus the child soldier part. Sad death, but one of many in JoJo. zetamind2000 posted:The best part is that him being in the story at all was because Araki changed his mind, it was originally just going to be some guy A Speedwagon foundation member trying to will himself into being important by getting a stand would be funny. Unrelated, but I like how Fugo could be seen as the smartest JoBro. He just sees that he's not the MC and decides to peace the gently caress out permanently. and dies in a novel, I think? I know about Arakis original plans but I love how a character just aggressively writes themselves out of the story and then doesn't do the obvious and return. Brandfarlig fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Nov 12, 2021 |
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Nov 12, 2021 15:39
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Regarding the above, Mista survives Vento Aureo, though. Are you thinking of Bruno? On the topic of Purple Haze Feedback, Fugo ALMOST dies in the novel when he awakens the new form of Purple Haze, but he's healed by Giorno and rejoins Passione.
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Nov 12, 2021 15:57
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My memory sucks it seems. My point about Sex Pistols being poo poo Emperor and mostly being good at almost killing Mista stands though. purple haze Good for him. Still a wasted opportunity to not do more with his character in part 5. What was that about his stand being dangerous and erratic again? Nah, not important. I guess it'd just be one more thing Giorno could magic away. Brandfarlig fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Nov 12, 2021 |
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Nov 12, 2021 16:00
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Part 5 would be the worst part if 2 didn't exist.
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Nov 12, 2021 16:08
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Part 1 still exists though. There's no loving way I'm ranking Tarkus and Blueford over Kars and co. Part 3 is my favorite and then 4,2 and 5 could go in basically any order. While there's a lot of obvious problems with 5 it's just so consistently good when the plot isn't imploding and the general quality of the fights are very solid. The absolute last arc was also a weird choice but whatever.
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Nov 12, 2021 16:20
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Part 5's individual fights are the absolute top in the series But the series as a whole isn't very good vis a vis overarching narrative
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Nov 12, 2021 16:39
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Which is also an issue with Gold Experience and King Crimson, they make sense within the moment, but fall apart when you try to figure out an overarching power set for them.
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Nov 12, 2021 16:48
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I'd find it hard to rank Jojo parts beyond Diamond is Unbreakable being my favorite of what's been shown so far. I guess I'd tentatively say DIU > SC > BT > PB > VA? I'd probably change my mind on the order of some of those tomorrow, though. Also, I feel Part 1 is rather underrated. True, it has the most boring fights of the series, but it also has a lot of really intimate interpersonal relationship between the main protagonist and antagonist that we haven't really seen since. I also think that Part 1 is Dio at his best, honestly, considering that he changes quite a bit over the course of the story in response to how Jonathan challenges him. While Part 3 DIO is more iconic, he's also a lot more static, mainly being the big monster man that shows up at the end but has a few moments of introspection beforehand.
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Nov 12, 2021 16:49
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Narancia's death wasn't even sad, not for me at least. By that point in the part they were ramping up for the big final confrontation and there were way too many people still alive, and it felt like Araki was like "oh gently caress I need to have a sad death here" because as soon as Narancia suddenly started babbling about pizza I was like "oh, he forgot to build up the tension and pathos for a character death so he's having the kid start talking about something he's looking forward to that he won't get to experience so we'll be sad when he dies" and then sure enough The buildup and payoff was so sudden I was seriously reacting like this irl 
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Also, I feel Part 1 is rather underrated. True, it has the most boring fights of the series, but it also has a lot of really intimate interpersonal relationship between the main protagonist and antagonist that we haven't really seen since. I also think that Part 1 is Dio at his best, honestly, considering that he changes quite a bit over the course of the story in response to how Jonathan challenges him. While Part 3 DIO is more iconic, he's also a lot more static, mainly being the big monster man that shows up at the end but has a few moments of introspection beforehand. Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly with this. Part 1 Dio is one of the best antagonists in the series, entirely because he's very much the deuteragonist of Part 1, going through character development and having his own fair share of focus. No other antagonist gets treated like Part 1 Dio did, the rest are obstacles to be overcome, while Dio is only less important to the plot than Jonathan himself. Part 3 DIO is, as I said before, an obstacle to overcome. He's very hammy and has cool fights and powers, and he's still super enjoyable, but he isn't as interesting as Part 1 Dio was. Which is completely fair, since DIO is Dio after his character arc was completed, it only makes sense.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly with this. Part 1 Dio is one of the best antagonists in the series, entirely because he's very much the deuteragonist of Part 1, going through character development and having his own fair share of focus. No other antagonist gets treated like Part 1 Dio did, the rest are obstacles to be overcome, while Dio is only less important to the plot than Jonathan himself. He really is. Dio is the reason I could never understand skipping part 1. It's not even that long if you're already going to watch the other 200 episodes or whatever they add up to. Edit: Is that ending song for part 5 the best or the worst music choice so far? I really can't tell if hearing a line about being really horny 3 seconds after the ending of every episode makes them better or not. Brandfarlig fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Nov 12, 2021 |
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RubberLuffy posted:Part 5 would be the worst part if 2 didn't exist. 
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